Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

What I would like to know:



How did this idea about DEW start?



In other words: Who did first notice something peculiar in all the videos, pictures, sounds, testimonies, reports, and other data, that made them say: Ooh, that looks (sounds, smells...) like a DEW at work!
And what was it, specifically, that this person saw (heard, read, felt...)?
And how is this indicative of a DEW?
What kind of DEW, anyway?
Which expertise did this person have about DEW, that would convince us common folks to at least listen to him or her?



In other words: Why are we discussing this most unusual idea in the first place?

I think these answers should be satisfactorily answered before we start talking about culprits and accessories.
 
Are you saying that, for the first time in history, a steel-framed high rise building was felled by DEW? And it happened 3 times in the same day?!?!1?!1 That's statistically impossible!
 
excaza said:
Because leveling a building with a DEW is much more feasible than someone crashing an airplane into it.
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Is it? I must admit I know very little about DEWs (I know however a lot about the physics that would describe many conveivable DEWs), but I know some things about planes.

Long before 2001, probably in the mid 80s, while playing with the Microsoft Flight Simulator (version 2.0, I think), I already crashed a Cessna many times into the South Tower. You see, I tried to land like a dove on the roof with the engine switched off, coming from below. I crashed every single time. I think the MSFS interpreted any touching of building surfaces as a crash, even if it was a soft touch. Later (some weeks ago, in fact), with a newer version (2002), I simulated the flight maneuvre of flight 77 with a 737 and crashed into the Pentagon after burning off several thousands of feet in a full circle. I also crashed into the Empire State Building (version 2002 doesn't have the twin towers anymore).
I can attest you that crashing a Boeing into a building is exceedingly easy.
I had also once, in 1993, the opportunity to fly a little on a real flight simulator, this time for a 707, at the NATO ait base where I served 9 months of my mandatory military service. Of course I did not crash it, but I learned that flying a real plane is, if anything, even easier than doing it on a personal computer. During that service time, I was allowed a couple of times to be in the cockpit of a 707 for landing (on the instructor's jump seat). It was fun to see how effortlessly and precisely a pilot can hit a spot on the ground (beginning of runway).

I have also talked to real structural engineers and fire fighters, and computed my own models of the twin towers and can say with much conviction that a total collapse after a big fire started by a huge, fast plane full of fuel is a very likely, easily conceivable event.

So all in all, I know for a fact that destroying buildings by flying Boeings into them is not only feasible, it is easy.



Now someone needs to clue me in on DEWs
 
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I wasn't sure :p

I doubt he'll answer your questions anyway. "No gotchas!" :rolleyes:
 
Oystein said:
What I would like to know:



How did this idea about DEW start?



In other words: Who did first notice something peculiar in all the videos, pictures, sounds, testimonies, reports, and other data, that made them say: Ooh, that looks (sounds, smells...) like a DEW at work!
And what was it, specifically, that this person saw (heard, read, felt...)?
And how is this indicative of a DEW?
What kind of DEW, anyway?
Which expertise did this person have about DEW, that would convince us common folks to at least listen to him or her?



In other words: Why are we discussing this most unusual idea in the first place?

I think these answers should be satisfactorily answered before we start talking about culprits and accessories.
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Post 301 bumped for jammonius.

I wonder if that is the question he must avoid.
 
How does this DEW weapon make a site keep 'smoking' and giving off fumes for months after the use of it, to such an extent that it is claimed vast ammounts of soil had to be constantly shipped in and out of the site?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How does this DEW weapon make a site keep 'smoking' and giving off fumes for months after the use of it, to such an extent that it is claimed vast ammounts of soil had to be constantly shipped in and out of the site?
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Stop that, Jammy will come back with his 'non-self quenching' nonsense
 
I want to know how it works, he hasn't been able to describe it up to now.
 
Oystein said:
What I would like to know:



How did this idea about DEW start?
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Rhetoric. You do not want to know any such thing. If you did, you could look it up.

Let me ask you this for sake of accuracy of understanding: If I understand your posting intent, what you're really asking is for me to post up background information on DEW. My answer is as follows:

No. Look it up yourself. Clear? If not, let me know and I will clarify if I can.

In other words: Who did first notice something peculiar in all the videos, pictures, sounds, testimonies, reports, and other data, that made them say: Ooh, that looks (sounds, smells...) like a DEW at work!
And what was it, specifically, that this person saw (heard, read, felt...)?
And how is this indicative of a DEW?
What kind of DEW, anyway?
Which expertise did this person have about DEW, that would convince us common folks to at least listen to him or her?



In other words: Why are we discussing this most unusual idea in the first place?

I think these answers should be satisfactorily answered before we start talking about culprits and accessories.
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Fine, then do some research. Meanwhile, I have posted a lot of data and information concerning the DEW and the PSYOP capacities of SAIC and ARA.

Do you understand the posts I have made about those two heavyweights of the MIC. Do you understand the secrecy issues presented by the WashPost article entitled 'Top Secret America'? Do you grasp the link between those issues and the psyop of 9/11?

Let me know.
 
I have researched Directed Energy Eapons. I haven't come across one that can turn a skyscraper into dust from LEO. I haven't come across any projected DEW that would make the target 'fume' for months afterwards.

Where have you posted any information about the form of the DEW?

So far it seems to be something from Science Fiction.
 
Wow! Just wow! I have seen many harsh, some clever, some nonchalant dodges by jammonius. I should not be surprised. But I am surprised a dodge could be this brash! :eek:


jammonius said:
Rhetoric. You do not want to know any such thing. If you did, you could look it up.
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You are wrong. Not rhetoric. I honestly do want to know, I don't know yet. Please tell me where to look it up. Surely you have some starting point somewhere? As a reminder, information is sought pertaining to the following questions:

How did this idea about DEW start?

In other words: Who did first notice something peculiar in all the videos, pictures, sounds, testimonies, reports, and other data, that made them say: Ooh, that looks (sounds, smells...) like a DEW at work!
And what was it, specifically, that this person saw (heard, read, felt...)?
And how is this indicative of a DEW?
What kind of DEW, anyway?
Which expertise did this person have about DEW, that would convince us common folks to at least listen to him or her?

In other words: Why are we discussing this most unusual idea in the first place?

I think these answers should be satisfactorily answered before we start talking about culprits and accessories.

jammonius said:
Let me ask you this for sake of accuracy of understanding: If I understand your posting intent, what you're really asking is for me to post up background information on DEW.
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What's the question? :confused:

jammonius said:
My answer is as follows:

No. Look it up yourself.
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Not an answer. It's your theory, you have, AFAIK, never concisely elaborated on it, never given concise reasons to even consider that theory. I suppose you, or someone else, has already done the research. Ideally published in a relevant science journal, but I would be just as happy to just see a concise white paper or something like that on the internet.

I asked because my search for a concise elaboration failed. Please help me.

jammonius said:
Clear? If not, let me know and I will clarify if I can.
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No, not clear. Please clarify. If you can. I suspect you can't. That's why I asked in the first place.

jammonius said:
Fine, then do some research. Meanwhile, I have posted a lot of data and information concerning the DEW and the PSYOP capacities of SAIC and ARA.
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You have posted very little data on the capacities of two companies you suspect to be among the culprits. However you have, AFAIK, not posted anything about DEW. And nothing that would relate DEW to the events of 9/11.

Maybe you have hidden some of that information in huge heaps of unbecoming word salad, in which case I would naturally have missed it. See, that's why you are advised time and again to be concise and cut out the world salads.

jammonius said:
Do you understand the posts I have made about those two heavyweights of the MIC. Do you understand the secrecy issues presented by the WashPost article entitled 'Top Secret America'? Do you grasp the link between those issues and the psyop of 9/11?

Let me know.
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Yes, I understand the posts. They are world salads, void of interesting information, and totally unrelated to 9/11.
 
For those who are waiting for am answer from Jammy about the DEW weapons, I'm afraid you have a long wait. Why, you ask? Because there never has been to this date any way, a DEW weapon. Sure, it looked real good on paper, but it hasn't gotten much further than that. Especially in 2001, when it was supposedly used to bring down the WTC towers.
 
Oystein said:
Wow! Just wow! I have seen many harsh, some clever, some nonchalant dodges by jammonius. I should not be surprised. But I am surprised a dodge could be this brash! :eek:
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Oh, come on Oystein. Enough with the drama, please ;)

Nothing would please me more than a genuine interest on your part in exploring the issue of DEW. However, you cannot do that by asking me questions. I am not your teacher. Frankly, and please do not take this the wrong way, but I would be loathe to permit you to sign up for a class that I teach. You are too disruptive to the others who are in class trying to learn something. So, no, I will not be teacher to you. You need special ed or something :p

A slightly more serious way of expressing this is that I have already provided enough clues about DEW, including identification of SAIC and ARA as leading manufacturers and developers of the weaponry. Raytheon is in the thick of it as well.

I have actually posted the list of sponsors of the Directed Energy Professional Society. Doing that is equivalent to spoon feeding you. I have also pointed you to "Wave Front" which is the publication of DEPS that I find most revealing.

Have you looked at any of the issues of Wave Front? Look, I can lead you to water, but...

Try this, review the material that I have pointed you to, then, using your intuition, look carefully at the following photos of the directors of the Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS). Permit me to suggest you conduct that review in conjunction with two things:

1--Ex-president Eisenhower's 1961 Farewell Address in which he warned about the MIC; and

2--The WashPost article on 'Top Secret America.'

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I can here offer one further suggestion. Examination of the MIC is a very, very difficult thing to do. I am reasonably confident that some posters who see this are going to break out in sweats. Others are going to develop headaches and other symptoms that reinforce the social taboo against close examination of the MIC.

A few, however, might be able to achieve BREAKTHROUGH.

Oystein, I am hoping you will be one of the latter.

Now is the time for all true patriots to come to the aid of their country.


You are wrong. Not rhetoric. I honestly do want to know, I don't know yet. Please tell me where to look it up. Surely you have some starting point somewhere?
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Now start.

good luck
 
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