Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[dafydd]

Sweaty, forget everything I've ever said about you, I was wrong. I now realize that I was wrong to call you just "another kooky Bigfoot believer".

The kookiest? No,wait a minute,there was one guy who believed that Bigfoots live in another dimension.Second kookiest?

 

[kitakaze]

It certainly would not be impossible for Patty's fingers to touch the side of her leg....but there is simply too much distance, laterally, between the fingers and the leg, for them to come into contact when her arm is hanging straight down.

Sweaty, after watching the PGF in action in the video I linked, not just your gif, do you deny that the hand swinging back and forth is causing alternating light/dark area? Yes or no.

 

[DennyT]

thanks again WP, I imagine you're seeing a pattern in all this, but my lips are sealed.

 

[William Parcher]

Nobody back then had the foresight, to see how long this film was going to be debated and analyzed for.

That is debatable. The "losing" of the original film and the so-called 2nd Reel may have been an act of foresight. If we want this hobby of belief to last we need to lose these documents. There are people out there who would destroy our joy.

 

[William Parcher]

thanks again WP, I imagine you're seeing a pattern in all this, but my lips are sealed.

I don't see a distinct pattern yet, but please choose the appropriate thread for any requests. IMO, the Bob Heironimus thread was not the place to ask for a Blue Mountain cast photo.

 

[William Parcher]

I just think the existence of some type of 'early man'...or, 'ape-man' is really COOL. (Hence, my first username..."Coolfoot". That was my name on the BFF.)

After all that has been said, done and shown, Óðinn/Gigantofootecus thinks that Patty is probably a guy in a suit. You disagree with that, yes?

 

[SweatyYeti]

After all that has been said, done and shown, Óðinn/Gigantofootecus thinks that Patty is probably a guy in a suit. You disagree with that, yes?

No, I don't agree with Odinn's assessment of the 'degree-of-probability', of Patty being a guy-in-a-suit.

Apparently, he thinks that a 'suit' is the more likely scenario....but I think a 'real Bigfoot' is the more likely scenario.


But that comes down to a matter of varying 'degrees'.....what we appear to agree on, is that Patty is not a 'known quantity'....she could be either a regular guy...or...some type of ape-guy.

 

[DennyT]

I have never been able to access the Patterson casts at the Idaho Virtualization Project. Has anyone else been able to?

 

[William Parcher]

Does anyone have Krantz' 1986 paper in Northwest anthropological Research Notes? or at least know whether those casts were from Freeman?

Again, please do not ask for these things in a Bob Heironimus thread. You are off topic.

Is it this? A Species Named From Footprints.

Yes the casts were from Freeman and were supposed to contain dermal ridges. We now know that they do not show Bigfoot dermal ridges.

Such a type specimen of the North American sasquatch, or bigfoot, would consist of the three footprints of one individual that were cast on 16 June 1982. These footprints were found by U.S. Forest Service employee Paul Freeman within the Umatilla National Forest, in the Blue Mountains of southeastern Washington state, at a locality known as Elk Wallow. The circumstances of their discovery were recounted in the Newsletter of the International Society of Cryptozoology (1982a, 1982b). A description of the track casts themselves was subsequently published (Krantz 1983). The authenticity of these tracks has also been questioned (Dahinden 1984) and answered (Krantz 1984).

 

[William Parcher]

Look here too. Krantz on dermals in the Freeman casts.

 

[DennyT]

to get back to the PGF, I would like a clarification on the whereabouts of PandG on Labor Day Weekend. Maybe somebody already answered this. Did Roger say that they were at Ape Canyon, and Gimlin later say they were on the other side of Mt. St. Helens?

 

[Drewbot]

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/pgf_history.htm

During late August and early September 1967 Patterson and Gimlin were exploring the Mt. St. Helen's area. While they were away, Al Hodgson and Syl McCoy, friends in Willow Creek, California, phoned Patterson's home to report footprints found in the Bluff Creek area. Patrica Patterson, Roger's wife, took the message and gave it to her husband when he returned. The tracks, which were said to be of three different sizes, had been found on new logging roads being built in the Bluff Creek region. This same area was the scene of considerable Bigfoot activity nine years earlier. It was here in 1958 that Jerry Crew found large human-like footprints. A subsequent press release on Crew's find made the word "Bigfoot" the American name for the creature.

 

[William Parcher]

to get back to the PGF,

But this thread is about Bob Heironimus as Patty. We have a general PGF thread here.

 

[kitakaze]

These non-straightforward chemical reactions would, logically, require the input, and control, of a thinking mind...in order for them to occur in such a manner....(Hence....DNA CODE/Creator/LIFE. )

I see. So, the billions of years of life is designed by the thinking mind of a divine creator. Odd how it sucked for so long. That god of yours had quite a long dry spell. So who wrote the code for your god? Nevermind. Things don't need to make sense in Sweaty World...

 

[xblade]

You have finally cracked the case. There is no way Bob can be Patty. As these photos prove, Bob H. is much to big to be Patty, a 7 foot tall, 700 lb bigfoot. The final nail in the coffin? Bob is wearing a hat, and Patty isn't, therefore Bob couldn't possibly be Patty. Good job, sweatsy.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Odd how it sucked for so long.

Perhaps God thinks his Universe is beautiful.

That god of yours

Mine....and a few billion other wonderful people's.



Btw, kit....you forgot to include these very un-rocklike favorites of mine......sitting on Mars...


The first image has 2 anomalous objects in it...(arrows not needed )...

Also....I would like to remind, you, sir....that the 'doll-hand illusion' is not AWESOME!!!....it's BS!!!...


And, there is a CHALLENGE waiting for you....regarding Heironimus.


(That would be the challenge that you're afraid to accept....and will never meet. )

 

[DennyT]

Is Jim McLarin still alive?

 

[kitakaze]

Yes, he is.

 

[kitakaze]

Perhaps God thinks his Universe is beautiful.

That's excellent. A typical Bible turkey response to facts that don't gel with their storybook. Who needs thinking? We can just snap our fingers and say God did it. So the Earth is 6000 years old, right? Or did they screw that one up?

Maybe instead of giving us Christian nonsense, you can explain why, if their is a thinking mind behind DNA and evolution, that the vast majority of life's 3.8 billion year history on Earth has been spent as single cell organisms? Was that this God of yours attempt at irony? Did he have a thing for bacteria where he was really obsessed with it for basically nearly the entire history of the planet that he caused to coalesce from gas and dust?

And I note that you very emphatically emphasize your sky spook's gender. So it's a he. How odd that this divine creator of yours pulling the strings behind the genetic code of everything has a feature of biological reproduction. Gender - an evolutionary adaption for a species' continued survival. God has an evolutionary adaption. So, again, who designed the genetic code of this divine creator of yours. Who made the maker, Sweaty?

Btw, kit....you forgot to include these very un-rocklike favorites of mine......sitting on Mars...

No, I didn't. That's your Martian civilization gobbledy-gook that somehow you inexplicably don't view as a dump in your Christian pool. That and your unseen war with the UFO's in our orbit. Are the UFO's we're blasting at fallen angels, Sweaty?

Your Martian fetish is represented by the picture of Avebury and Mars. OMG, rocks can't be shiny. We must tell the geolgists right away. I guess these must be chunks of fudge or something...

 

[Drewbot]

Here you go, Drew.....here is a thumbnail, of the Ratio Comparison image I posted the other day....with some more lines and numbers added to it...(clicking on it will link to a larger image)...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob%20Two/th_BobPattyRatios6.jpg[/qimg]


As far as Bob's numbers go....for most of them, I think 5% is too large a 'degree of error', to allow for. The location of his eyes is very clearly defined, within a couple of pixels....as is the location of his knee joint, and the bottom of his foot.

His 'elbow-joint', in that image, is not well-defined....but it's location can be determined, very accurately, by using other images....and applying the info onto this one....as I did.
But, regarding that placement...that may be off by as much as 5%...(5% would be about 5 pixels).


As for Patty's numbers....there is a little higher 'degree of error' possible....BUT, in my placement of Patty's elbow-joint, I intentionally placed it at a conservative point....a little higher-up on the arm than it really should be...(judging by information taken from other images of Patty.)
For instance, in the image I posted in post #1728......her elbow appears to reach as low as the dark-shaded area at the top of her butt....which would be lower than where I placed the elbow-joint in the 'Ratio Comparison' graphic.

Also...I added pixel measurements onto the arm, to show that the point I used for her elbow location is not in the middle of Patty's arm....but instead, it's higher-up.


And as for the placement of the bottom of Patty's foot...comparing the length I chose for her right lower-leg, to the measured length of her left lower-leg....it looks as though I may have given her too much length, for that....making her numbers appear closer to Bob's than they probably should be.

Are you going to concede a 5% margin of error or not?