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Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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Roger Knights wrote:
Incidentally, in his interview last year on Bigfoot Live, BH inaccurately said the sand there was "white as snow" (it's a light gray at best, and a dark gray when damp), and it only appears white in the film because it was overexposed.
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"And everywhere that Bobby walked....the sand was "white as snow"....


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Bobby.....you have to STUDY harder! :D


Yo, kit....can you have Bobby retract/fix-up that statement of his?

Also, next time you visit your buddy, Bob.....can you take a few pictures of him....which can then be used, later, to SHOW that his eyes....elbows....knees....and toes....can, and DO, actually match-up with Patty's???

That's a CHALLENGE......just for YOU.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
Here is what John Green said about his viewing of the 2nd Reel....in his book "Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us"...


"There was also some film taken later when they were making casts of the tracks. It seems to have been lost somehow - I have seen it only once - but it clearly showed that when the men walked beside the tracks their feet did not sink appreciably into the packed sand. The prints of the creature, on the other hand, sank about an inch deep, indicating tremendous weight."
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He saw that at UBC, not at DeAtley's. The point is that the "2nd reel" may not have been developed yet for the DeAtley Basement Premiere on the 22nd. IMO, any film shot on the 20th would not, and was not, ready for viewing on the 22nd. What they watched in DeAtley's basement had been shot weeks before.
 
according to Green, as paraphrased by Meldrum, p. 157:
"The next summer...the remains of the trackway were still evident as a series of rough impresssions stretching across the sandbar....the footprints were still evident as vague depressions, the trackway punctuated at points where the effects of time had erased them altogether."
 
yes, we don't know when the second reel was shot. I suspect you are correct in suspecting it was shot on Oct. 20.

In the 10 seconds of it that I have seen, I could have learned everything that Green mentions. How much more is there, more than ten seconds. Has anyone actually seen it?
 
William Parcher said:
He saw that at UBC, not at DeAtley's. The point is that the "2nd reel" may not have been developed yet for the DeAtley Basement Premiere on the 22nd.
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That's probably true. Roger probably wouldn't have been in as much of a rush to get that reel developed, as he would have been....(in the 'legit' scenario)....in getting the main footage developed.



IMO, any film shot on the 20th would not, and was not, ready for viewing on the 22nd. What they watched in DeAtley's basement had been shot weeks before.
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Who knows...:confused:....it seems questionable, at the very least, getting the film developed that quickly. But I can't say that it couldn't have been done.


What I still find questionable....is the claim that the film was shown on the news, both locally and nationally, during the week of the 22nd.

For the Morris' to have seen the film on tv...during that particular week....wouldn't it have to have been on the National 'Evening News'....(not just shown by the local Yakima station, KIMA)....since the Morris' lived in North Carolina?....(or somewhere thereabouts.)

Has there been any solid evidence presented, to show that the Network aired the film, nationally, that week?
 
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ahh, WP, you are indeed a man of great ability and wisdom, possessed of many and valuable materials. Many thanks. Bread upon the waters. Pay it forward. all that.

In the fullness of time, all will be revealed.
 
parnassus said:
yes, we don't know when the second reel was shot. I suspect you are correct in suspecting it was shot on Oct. 20.

In the 10 seconds of it that I have seen, I could have learned everything that Green mentions. How much more is there, more than ten seconds. Has anyone actually seen it?
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You do understand that if the PGF is a hoax, P&G can really tell all kinds of lies about all kinds of things. This includes the story of the unfolding of events and the "2nd Reel". If a hoax, they probably didn't need to return to camp for plaster and instead were carrying it with them (knowing they would cast the fake prints anyway), etc. etc.
 
parnassus said:
In the fullness of time, all will be revealed.
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I have little faith in that. I think incriminating evidence was destroyed and/or hidden. I think that many others besides P&G had been doing this all along and still do it today. They know it's a hoax. We are watching a game-in-progress where adults pretend - as if they were little children again.
 
SweatyYeti said:
What I still find questionable....is the claim that the film was shown on the news, both locally and nationally, during the week of the 22nd.

For the Morris' to have seen the film on tv...during that particular week....wouldn't it have to have been on the National 'Evening News'....(not just shown by the local Yakima station, KIMA)....since the Morris' lived in North Carolina?....(or somewhere thereabouts.)

Has there been any solid evidence presented, to show that the Network aired the film, nationally, that week?
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When did they watch it? Was it Halloween?

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"If the fingers bend... the gloves were not made of solid steel, wood, marble, ceramic or other non-floppy material."
 
SweatyYeti said:
LTC8K6 wrote:



It's nice to have OPTIONS, when you're Skeptical. ;) :D

You just use whatever explanation 'fits best', at the time.
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Stop making false accusations, please.
Stop assuming bad intentions, and get your mind out of the gutter.
You have no reason to accuse me that way.
Fortunately everyone can see that.

I never said Titmus and Laverty didn't see a trackway. I never said a trackway was not there. If Roger was hoaxing the incident, he would surely have put a trackway there. So it's nothing if people saw some sort of a trackway.

Why you can't manage to pay attention, and keep cherry picking and misinterpreting is really beyond me. Nothing that I said about the trackway or lack thereof reflects any inconsistency on my part.

I said "we" haven't seen evidence of any trackway. All we have are 1 first hand account from Titmus, which doesn't seem to match the incident too well, and now I see we have a second hand account of what Laverty may have said, from a book.

Still no pictures or film of this trackway so that we can subject it to examination. Nothing but anecdotes.

What I want to know, is if the trackway that we have been told of, bears any relationship to Patty's path in the film. Unfortunately, I cannot make the comparison from anecdotes.

Why no one bothered to document the trackway is an exercise for the class, I guess.
 
parnassus on BFF said:
actually it was on a road, and it was only a half mile, and the horse was Bob H's own horse, and Gimlin is a small man, and people do ride double. I don't think any of these points is in dispute...
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No. It was about 2 miles from Louse Camp to the sandbar.
 
SweatyYeti said:
What I still find questionable....is the claim that the film was shown on the news, both locally and nationally, during the week of the 22nd.
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OK, she says it was just before Halloween. Sweaty, you need to stretch your question to include the week of the 29th. Check the calendar I posted....


kitakaze said:
She told me it was shortly before Halloween of '67 that she first saw the PGF.
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Drewbot said:
Yes. I was told by Roger Knights at BFF a couple years ago, that the consistency of the sand at Bluff creek means prints could last up to six months.

Including the seasonal flooding? and the trees and logs rolling down the river, and the river bank changing?

If so, why did BobG have to cover the trackway with Cardboard/ Bark chunks?

I found a second mention of this at BFF http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=23427&pid=482203&mode=threaded&start=
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Having lived in the area for about 6 years, I find this nearly impossible to believe as well. The winters in the Willow Creek area, while considerably warmer than many at locations farther north, are still very harsh and inclement. There is snow in the higher elevations, and a great deal of runoff created by melting snow every spring. In addition, the lower elevations receive a great deal of very hard rain and flooding. I've seen rain falling horizontally to the ground due to the ferocity of the wind blowing! Even at the lower elevations where snow is not common (but also not unheard of) there is plenty of frost and ice to damage or distort something like a trackway.

Patterson and Gimlin reported leaving the area due to their fear that the road would wash out, and taking an alternate route because it had indeed washed out. This is entirely consistent with the weather in the area; if you were in a remote location and felt a single raindrop, you'd run for the car. If you didn't, you might get trapped there, and you might not survive being trapped there if the river was fierce enough to fill the whole canyon. Yet we're supposed to believe that these 1" deep footprints survived not only a storm that took out a road, but the rest of the winter and spring as well.

In Six Rivers National Forest, it isn't unusual for the river to jump its banks and migrate to a different location entirely over the course of a winter. It wasn't uncommon for a lovely camp spot or swimming hole to disappear over a winter. The Trinity River is impossible to cross for months at a time and sweeps logs and even giant boulders miles downstream. Yet, again, we're supposed to believe that some piddly 1" footprints survived from October, when they were made, to the following May. It's ridiculous. It's more likely that the "tracks" in May were actually pits left behind when the boulders that originally sat there were swept away.
 
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