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Who started both World Wars?

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The idea that Hitler wasn't such a bad guy because he offered to back out of Poland and take just the corridor and Danzig, is laughable.

Well then, how do you interprete Hitler's speech of October 6?

It's like beating the crap out of someone, stealing his watch and his wallet, cleaning out his bank account and maxing out his credit cards...then offering to give his watch back to appease the authorities.

You forgot to mention that Hitler's watch (Danzig; 2 million Germans placed outside Germany against their will) was stolen first in Versailles.
 
I could have written my blog directly, but I do not. I determine the strength of the ideas by throwing them in this snake pit first to see if they can survive. So far everything is going rather well.

The funniest part about this waste of oxygen's bs is that he thinks he did well against people that actually understand history.
 
I could have written my blog directly, but I do not. I determine the strength of the ideas by throwing them in this snake pit first to see if they can survive. So far everything is going rather well.

I'm not sure that's such a good strategy, as you seem to be immune to criticisms of your views.

I know some posters here are getting personal with you, but try to see past that and your own pre-conceived notions when you attempt to interpret the historical record.

But I understand your point, that thought crossed my mind as well. My explanation is that probably the Germans had no faith in a positive outcome of the negotiations with Britain. Dahlerus mentioned a quarrel between Hitler and Henderson, the British ambassador to Berlin. I am not sure what that quarrel was about. But Hitler was in rage. He was not superior smiling because everything went according to his devious preconcieved plan to conquor Poland. What he wanted most, an alliance with Britain but it looked like he was not to get it. He understood the risk he was taking, despite his agreement with Molotov. We should also realize that both the German and Polish army were fully mobilized. the situation then creates a dynamics of it's own. I support the judgment of Buchanan: the British should never have given the Poles a war garantee. Instead they should have abandoned Versailles and put pressure on the Poles to give in regarding Danzig.

Hitler had already proven at this point that he wanted more than what he said he wanted.

At what point would you consider the British leaders to be fools to keep believing him?

Britain (read: the Anglo Jews) decided not to and decided to start WW2. With desastrous consequences for Europeans everywhere in the world.

Please identify three of these Anglo Jews who decided to start WW2. If you cannot identify them, I have to assume you are making this up.

If you want to hasten your own demise, please go ahead and occupy Havana!

How would that hasten the demise of the US?

If it did NOT hasten the demise of the US, then would it be justifiable?

Remember, the only reason the Third Reich wasn't crushed in 1939 was that the French hesitated when they had the opportunity to invade Germany.

What relocation did the Germans do to the Poles? It where the Poles and Russians (with the blessing of the Anglos) who did all the deportations.

Source?
 
Well then, how do you interprete Hitler's speech of October 6?

Well, unless he was a changed man who had completely broken the patterns that characterized his foreign policy in the preceding few years...

HE WAS LYING. HE WAS STALLING FOR TIME.

You forgot to mention that Hitler's watch (Danzig; 2 million Germans placed outside Germany against their will) was stolen first in Versailles.

But Hitler did NOT offer to return Danzig, did he?

When you go to war, you risk losing territory. Germany chose to go to war in 1914, and that's when they lost Danzig.
 
Well, unless he was a changed man who had completely broken the patterns that characterized his foreign policy in the preceding few years...

HE WAS LYING. HE WAS STALLING FOR TIME.
He wasn't quite lying. What nein11 left out was "Poland of the Versailles Treaty will never rise again.". And let's look at that list:
First, the creation of a Reich frontier which, as has already been emphasized, shall be in accordance with existing historical, ethnographical and economic conditions.
The border between "Greater Germany" and the Gen.Govt. is roughly the border of Prussia in 1795.
Second, the disposition of the entire living space according to the various nationalities; that is to say, the solution of the problems affecting the minorities which concern not only this area but nearly all the States in the Southwest of Europe.
He had been doing quite some border-redrawing in the whole of SE of Europe (translation error?).
Third, in this connection: An attempt to reach a solution and settlement of the Jewish problem.
The Final Solution.
Fifth, a guarantee for the security of this entire territory and sixth, formation of a Polish State so constituted and governed as to prevent its becoming once again either a hotbed of anti-German activity or a center of intrigue against Germany and Russia.
That's the General-Government. Note that nothing in the above says this "state" should also be governed by Poles. On the contrary, it should not be hostile to Germany, so having Germans govern it is entirely in line with his words.

When you go to war, you risk losing territory. Germany chose to go to war in 1914, and that's when they lost Danzig.
And the borders drawn were in line with the ethnic lines. Poznania and Pomerania (the Corridor) had Polish majorities in even the German census of 1910. Upper Silesia was split after a plebiscite. Germany could retain Mazuria (the southern part of East Prussia) after a plebiscite held there in the middle of the Polish-Russian war.
 
What relocation did the Germans do to the Poles?
How bliss it must be to speak without being hindered by knowledge.
One word: Generalplan Ost.

It where the Poles and Russians (with the blessing of the Anglos) who did all the deportations.
After the war. And with centuries of German "Drang nach Osten", going back to the Teutonic Knights, I can fully understand the Poles wanting to get rid of that problem. That's not to say I approve it, nor did the US and UK, but they hardly had a choice.
 
Well then, how do you interprete Hitler's speech of October 6?

Considering what had been agreed almost exactly a year earlier at Munich, and what happened 6 months after that?

I notice you failed to answer my question regarding that whole "mistake".
 
At what point would you consider the British leaders to be fools to keep believing him?

Maybe out of self-interest? Many Brits understood in advance that their empire would not survive a war with Germany.

Please identify three of these Anglo Jews who decided to start WW2. If you cannot identify them, I have to assume you are making this up.

I am merely quoting Joseph Kennedy, the American ambassador and father of JFK, who later got killed by in all likelyhood the Jewish mob around Meyer Lanski for his opposition to Israel acquiring nukes. But that is a different story. He failed to provide names, I am sorry. Probably among these chaps.

But you will probably say that Kennedy was an antisemite, which he was, for good reason. Fine, so let us rely on someone else instead.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

Very revealing reports home by Polish Ambassador Potocki to Washington:

On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role in making American foreign policy:

The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State Department is becoming ever more powerful ...

... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.

in their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred against Nazism.

This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean of blood.

In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be subdued by the 'democratic world.'

Mind you, this is 1938, no Polish crisis in sight.
This completely matches the remark by Chamberlain that he was pushed into war by the Jews.

On 21 November 1938, Ambassador Potocki sent a report to Warsaw which discussed in some detail a conversation between himself and Bullitt, who happened to be back in Washington:

About Germany and Chancellor Hitler he spoke with great vehemence and strong hatred. He said that only force, and ultimately a war would put an end to the insane future German expansionism.

To my question asking how he visualized this coming war, he replied that above all the United States, France and England must rearm tremendously in order to be in a position to oppose German power.

Only then, when the moment is ripe, declared Bullitt further, will one be ready for the final decision. I asked him in what way a conflict could arise, since Germany would probably not attack England and France first. I simply could not see the connecting point in this whole combination.

Bullitt replied that the democratic countries absolutely needed another two years until they were fully armed. In the meantime, Germany would probably have advanced with its expansion in an easterly direction. It would be the wish of the democratic countries that armed conflict would break out there, in the East between the German Reich and Russia. As the Soviet Union's potential strength is not yet known, it might happen that Germany would have moved too far away from its base, and would be condemned to wage a long and weakening war. Only then would the democratic countries attack Germany, Bullitt declared, and force her to capitulate.

So who is this Bullit?

- Bullit Jewish
Like Roosevelt, Bullitt "rose from the rich." He was born into an important Philadelphia banking family, one of the city's wealthiest. His mother's grandfather, Jonathan Horwitz, was a German Jew who had come to the United States from Berlin.

His jewishness becomes clear from his enthusiast support of the criminal Bolshevik regime:

That same year, Wilson and British Prime Minister Lloyd George sent him to Russia to meet with Lenin and determine if the new Bolshevik government deserved recognition by the Allies. Bullitt met with Lenin and other top Soviet leaders and upon his return urged recognition of the new regime.

- Bullit very close to Roosevelt (because they were both Jews):

In the Spring of 1938, all U.S. envoys in Europe were subordinated to Bullitt by an internal directive of the State Department.[14] As the European situation worsened in 1939, Roosevelt often spoke with his man in Paris by telephone, sometimes daily, frequently giving him precisely detailed and ultra-confidential instructions on how to conduct America's foreign policy. Not even Secretary of State Cordell Hull was privy to many of the letters and communications between Bullitt and Roosevelt.

More from Ambassador Potocki's about American war mongering and Jewish influence:

Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:

President Roosevelt acts on the assumption that the dictatorial governments, above all Germany and Japan, only understand a policy of force. Therefore he has decided to react to any future blows by matching them. This has been demonstrated by the most recent measures of the United States.

The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the specter of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison with last year.

It is clear that Roosevelt had a war with Germany in the crosshairs long before Pearl Harbor. Was the US threatened by Germany? Of course not. So what was the motivation of this 'American' president? He was a Jew, surrounded by Jewish advisors. The Jews had already declared war on Germany as soon as Hitler came to power in 1933. And it was to be the Jew-controlled USA again who would do the dirty work for the Jews, just like in 1917.

How did Mel Gibson say it again? The Jews are behind all wars. How bluntly impolite a statement! How antisemitic to say so! And how true!

The American Ambassador to Italy, William Phillips, admitted in his postwar memoirs that the Roosevelt administration was already committed to going to war on the side of Britain and France in late 1938.

In this sense it is unfair to blame Britain to start WW2. But Buchanan cannot say otherwise, because if he does he has to mention the Jews. And that would finish Buchanan's career in the American media. But that is the truth, that Britain acted as a proxy for the Jews even before Churchill rose to power. Although there is a world of difference between Chamberlain (who wanted to defend the interests of Britain) and Churchill, who did not give a d*** about Britain and was happy to transfer power from Britain to the USA. Churchill was the greatest traitor to British interest in the entire history of Britain. But that is what you get if you let a foreigner at the helm of your nation.

How would that hasten the demise of the US?

America has already more enemies it can handle. Such a move would unite it's enemies against it earlier than otherwise would happen (the war against Iran will unite everybody against IZ-US-UK).

If it did NOT hasten the demise of the US, then would it be justifiable?

You should not mix morals with politics.

Remember, the only reason the Third Reich wasn't crushed in 1939 was that the French hesitated when they had the opportunity to invade Germany.

The reality 8 months later was that France was crushed within 6 weeks. No reason to assume that in September 1939 that balance was much different.
 
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How bliss it must be to speak without being hindered by knowledge.
One word: Generalplan Ost.

After the war. And with centuries of German "Drang nach Osten", going back to the Teutonic Knights, I can fully understand the Poles wanting to get rid of that problem. That's not to say I approve it, nor did the US and UK, but they hardly had a choice.

Sure, plans on paper. Everybody can type a plan on a rainy sunday afternoon.

How many Poles were deported in reality?
 
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

And it turns out that France was prepared in the same way for war, not just Britain:

Many years after the war, Georges Bonnet, the French Foreign Minister in 1939, confirmed Bullitt's role as Roosevelt's deputy in pushing his country into war. In a letter to Hamilton Fish dated 26 March 1971, Bonnet wrote: "One thing is certain is that Bullitt in 1939 did everything he could to make France enter the war."[28] An important confirmation of the crucial role of Roosevelt and the Jews in pushing Britain into war comes from the diary of James V. Forrestal, the first U.S. Secretary of Defense. In his entry for 27 December 1945, he wrote:

Played golf today with [former Ambassador] Joe Kennedy. I asked him about his conversations with Roosevelt and [British Prime Minister] Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on. He said Chamberlain's position in 1938 was that England had nothing with which to fight and that she could not risk going to war with Hitler. Kennedy's view: That Hitler would have fought Russia without any later conflict with England if it had not been for [William] Bullitt's urging on Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 that the Germans must be faced down about Poland; neither the French nor the British would have made Poland a cause of war if it had not been for the constant needling from Washington. Bullitt, he said, kept telling Roosevelt that the Germans wouldn't fight; Kennedy that they would, and that they would overrun Europe. Chamberlain, he says, stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war. In his telephone conversations with Roosevelt in the summer of 1939, the President kept telling him to put some iron up Chamberlain's backside.[29]

Again it is cristal clear: WW2 was between Germany and the Jews.
The Germans had liberated themselves from the Jews and had prevented a Bolshevik take over from Germany by the Jews, where millions of Germans would have been killed, just like had happened in Russia. Germans are a bit smarter than Russians, you see. Unfortunately, the Jews had a bunch of different dummies (Anglos) who were prepared to do the dirty work for them. Murderous dummies like Gawdzilla (who opinines that Romanians speak Latin), who is prepared to kill anyone if he is asked by a Jew to do so and is openly proud of it. This is the situation the white race finds itself in: the core of the white race (Europe) is held hostage by the Jews in Washington and London who for the moment can still rely on the likes of Gawdzilla and a bunch of other Anglos. But their time is running out...
 
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Sure, plans on paper. Everybody can type a plan on a rainy sunday afternoon.

How many Poles were deported in reality?

From the verdict in the Eichmann trial:
The extent of the expulsions is revealed by the following
documents: T/362 shows that up to 15 November 1940 nearly
300,000 Polish deportees were transferred into the
Generalgouvernement area. T/361 shows that, from the
beginning of the operation until the end of 1943, over
530,000 Poles were deported. This includes the period up to
the end of 1939,
[...]
However, it
seems that the lists attached to exhibit T/361 do not
include the Poles evacuated from Eastern Prussia, Upper
Eastern Silesia and Danzig-Western Prussia. These three
zones appear in list T/362, with 60,000 Polish deportees (up
to 15 November 1940).
Total estimates are, of course, higher.
 
How bliss it must be to speak without being hindered by knowledge.
One word: Generalplan Ost.


After the war. And with centuries of German "Drang nach Osten", going back to the Teutonic Knights, I can fully understand the Poles wanting to get rid of that problem. That's not to say I approve it, nor did the US and UK, but they hardly had a choice.

I recently bought a book, published during the war (early '40's), detailing German activities in Poland. Sadly I don't have it right now, having bought it as a present.

Interestingly, there's an anecdote reported of a German sympathising with a Pole whose house he'd just been allocated. He said that at least the Pole was going to be able to come back, but that he and the rest of the Germans were going to be turfed out of Poland for good, in due course.
 
Chamberlain was quite correct in 1938, in terms of the UKs ability to wage war hence one of the reasons for the whole appeasement strategy. To buy time to rearm. After Hitlers "mistake" of March 1939 it was clear the delaying tactic could not be maintained.

As for Kennedy, you don't think...just possibly...that he was seeing things through the prism of his own prejudice? After all, there is absolutely nothing in Chamberlain's writings to indicate he held any sort of "world Jews had forced England into the war" view. However there are plenty of things that show he held the view that Hitler must be faced down from March onwards. He felt personally slighted by the actions of that month...no prompting whatsoever.

As I said, he was a decent chap.
 
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Chamberlain was quite correct in 1938, in terms of the UKs ability to wage war hence one of the reasons for the whole appeasement strategy. To buy time to rearm. After Hitlers "mistake" of March 1939 it was clear the delaying tactic could not be maintained.

As for Kennedy, you don't think...just possibly...that he was seeing things through the prism of his own prejudice? After all, there is absolutely nothing in Chamberlain's writings to indicate he held any sort of "world Jews had forced England into the war" view. However there are plenty of things that show he held the view that Hitler must be faced down from March onwards. He felt personally slighted by the actions of that month...no prompting whatsoever.

As I said, he was a decent chap.

I like Chamberlain as well, much better than Churchill.

I gave you other independent Polish pointers towards the same view, that the Jews pushed for war, both in Britain and in France and most of all in the US. How on earth could Chamberlain reveal that he was serving Jewish interests rather than British interests, what he was supposed to do.

But Chamberlain understood very well that if he would not do the bidding of the Jews he would be finished off by the Jewish press. The standard procedure of J-Power in Anglosphere and to a lesser extend elsewhere as well.
 
From the verdict in the Eichmann trial:

Total estimates are, of course, higher.

The extent of the expulsions is revealed by the following
documents: T/362 shows that up to 15 November 1940 nearly
300,000 Polish deportees were transferred into the
Generalgouvernement area. T/361 shows that, from the
beginning of the operation until the end of 1943, over
530,000 Poles were deported. This includes the period up to
the end of 1939,
[...]
However, it
seems that the lists attached to exhibit T/361 do not
include the Poles evacuated from Eastern Prussia, Upper
Eastern Silesia and Danzig-Western Prussia. These three
zones appear in list T/362, with 60,000 Polish deportees (up
to 15 November 1940).

You are aware that 15 November 1940 the Eastern part was occupied by Russia, I hope? So to where exactly were these Poles 'deported'? Where was the 'Generalgouvernement area' located before Barbarossa? You are sure you are not talking about Polish Jews fleeing eastwards?

While waiting for an answer:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n3p41_Gross.html
The period from 1939 to 1941 was a difficult one for Poles in the regions annexed by the Soviet Union. Soviet rule was accompanied by widespread "expropriation" of the "bourgeoisie." During the twenty-one months of occupation the Soviet secret police, the NKVD, arrested and deported well over a million Poles, including some tens of thousands of Polish Jews, most of who disappeared into Siberia.

But I am sure you will find a way to portray the actions of the Germans in an even worse light then the real actions your noble allie the Soviets had committed.
 
Chamberlain understood very well that if he would not do the bidding of the Jews he would be finished off by the Jewish press.

Finished off by the what? Do you mean the pro-fascist Daily MailWP? No? Well what about the Daily ExpressWP which published the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany" in 1933? No again? Maybe the pro-appeasement TimesWP. Or then again maybe not.
 
I like Chamberlain as well, much better than Churchill.

Nope. Churchill would have been a disaster in the run up to 1939. Chamberlain would have been a disaster post May-40.

I gave you other independent Polish pointers towards the same view, that the Jews pushed for war, both in Britain and in France and most of all in the US. How on earth could Chamberlain reveal that he was serving Jewish interests rather than British interests, what he was supposed to do.

But Chamberlain understood very well that if he would not do the bidding of the Jews he would be finished off by the Jewish press. The standard procedure of J-Power in Anglosphere and to a lesser extend elsewhere as well.

And you have any proof of this (apart from statements by people who were Hitler supporters that is)? I can show you the military reports from 1938 showing we were not in a posisiotn to fight a war. I can show you the documents around March 1939 where Chamberlain essentially says "enough is enough"....no Jewish conspiracy needed. None evident at all in fact.

I notice you still avoid answering my question on whether the allies were correct in taking their stance on Poland with respect to Hitlers demands considering what happened in March of that year.

Finished off by the what? Do you mean the pro-fascist Daily MailWP? No? Well what about the Daily ExpressWP which published the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany" in 1933? No again? Maybe the pro-appeasement TimesWP. Or then again maybe not.

He really doesn't have a terribly good grasp of the positions taken by much of the UK media in that period, does he?
 
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