Who started both World Wars?

[dafydd]

Ooh, listen to Mr. Big Shot, whose dad actually figured out how to use his weapon!

I am proud of my Dad's generation.He was trained to use a weapon,by the way. What's your problem?

 

[Arisia]

Grandfather served in the US Army Ambulance Corps in WWI
Father served in the US Army Counter Intelligence Corps in WWII and Korea
Several uncles served in the Army and Air Force in Vietnam
Oldest brother served in the Navy Seabees during peace time (he got out just weeks before Desert Shield to get his Masters degree)

I'd like to thank the Third Reich and their Axis allies for making my dad's messed up mental state throughout his adult life possible.

He turned 18 in 1942, so he ended up in the CIC, where you end up not trusting anybody, of course, instead of Tufts University on a full scholarship. I am proud of his service, don't get me wrong, but the repercussions of his service were felt decades later, even into his children's adult lives.

 

[Arisia]

And here's more for Ninny/11 to hate me for:

My best friend growing up lived in a real, honest-to-goodness commune!!! My hometown is stuffed full of hippies, generally.
My maiden name is the same as a certain young lady from a different New England state who wrote a letter to a Soviet premier that most likely played a very important role in the thawing of the Cold War (on the public level, anyway) in the 1980s. I can prove I wasn't the actual letter writer by saying that she died in a plane crash about 20 years ago. I wish I had written the letter, actually, instead I wrote one to President Reagan telling him to stop threatening the existence of the Department of Education.

 

[ddt]

Not really. You are right that the peace proposals as reported by Dahlerus were indeed dated before the invasion of September 1939. But that does not mean that no similar proposals were made after the end of the Polish campaign.

We're all waiting for evidence with bated breath. You can't just posit there must have been such proposals. I already quoted Dahlerus' testimony that he concluded on 26 September that Germany's goal had been to conquer Poland. Hitler also told him Poland could not be restored, and partially hid behind the fact that the Soviets occupied the eastern part.

They are more inclined to stick to their word.

The evidence of Hitler not sticking to his word is overwhelming and needs no further discussion.

I already mentioned several hints that a peace proposol dated after the war were made by Hitler:

1) Schultze-Rhonhof mentioned it
2) The BBC
3) Uncle Pat himself:

That's one tertiairy source and two loonies. The BBC did not mention details.

After some searching I found the offer, made during a public address on October 6, 1939, a few weeks after the successful completion of the Polish campaign. It is a long and moderate speech, offering peace with all his neighbours. This is what he had to say about Poland:

What this comes down to is that

hitler.org is a cleverly disguised neo-Nastie site registered by the organization "United Thought". It has no "about" or some such on who is behind this. I'm not going to bother with reading the stuff, as long as no-one trustworthy vouches for the veracity.

Besides that, it's utterly unimportant what he said in speeches for internal consumption. What's important is what offers he extended to the British foreign office.

Hitler proposes the establishment of a Polish state, based on ethnic majorities. That means a Poland of 19 million ethnic Poles, rather than a state of 30 million, where 11 million non-Poles are surpressed. The Versailles Poland is dead indeed. But there is intention of ethnic cleansing, let alone integrating hostile Poles into a pure German state, what Hitler really wanted. But in contrast to the situation before Versailles, the Poles would now get their ethno-state.

You know very little about the ethnic make-up of Poland in the inter-war years, do you? The German-Polish border very much followed ethnic lines, and there was only a small minority of "Germans" in Poland. Or do you really think that Hitler was concerned with the Lithuanians, Belarus and Ukrainians in the east of Poland?

As the BBC article indicated, this peace proposal was turned down by Britain. Britain refused to acknowledge the mistakes it had made in Versailles and chose to commit suicide and pulled Europe with it into the abyss after more than 400 years of planetary domination.

A speech is no peace proposal. A diplomatic note is.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We're all waiting for evidence with bated breath.

Is THAT what that snoring sound is from?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

After some searching I found the offer, made during a public address on October 6, 1939

You should have actually read it before posting the link.

Hitler : Point Six. Switzerland: Germany adopted the same attitude toward Switzerland. The Reich Government has never given the slightest cause for doubt regarding their desires to establish friendly relations with the country.
(Operation Tannenbaum was Germany's plan for invading Switzerland at this time.)

 

[MG1962]

My uncle was one of the "Rats Of Tobruk" We along with our British and Indian Brothers in Arms taught the Nazis what it was really like to piss off the sons of the British Empire

 

[9/11-investigator]

And your little third world country will still be sucking hind tit.

Not really. We have the Russians while you will have the Street of Hormuz closed thanks to your governments Clouseau style actions.

We have 1.5 million muzzies now on 16 million. You have, thanks to your Uncle Tom head start officially 66% Europeans, but inreality more likely 50%. Anyway, less than we still have. Far less.

But Gawdzilla, I am shocked! What is this brazen talk of '3rd world countries'!? Don't you know that color is only skin deep? Don't you know that diversity is our strength!

I am afraid I have to warn the ADL that they come and discipline you.

 

[9/11-investigator]

My uncle was one of the "Rats Of Tobruk" We along with our British and Indian Brothers in Arms taught the Nazis what it was really like to piss off the sons of the British Empire

'We' is good.

The Brits did nothing. Even Buchanan confirms that Britain delivered max. 5% of the war effort, that was all that dad's army could deliver. The effort consisted mainly in 'gloriously advancing towards the channel'. And in reality 'these proud sons of the British empire' got their asses saved because Dolfie had a little bit too high regard for your kind, a mistake we are not going to repeat. He should have driven you into the sea at Duinkerken. Anglosphere is the enemy and since you are hated by Islam, China and Russia (and Europe has alway looked down upon you) you are going to be finished.

And I believe you when you say that your uncle was a rat.

I am amazed that Poland as defined by Versailles was so important to you guys that you had to sacrife that empire of yours because of the German town of Danzig!

How did Dolfie put it again on October 6, 1939?

This I ask: If 64 million Englishmen claim the right to rule over forty million square kilometers of the earth, it cannot be wrong for 82 million Germans to demand the right to live on 800,000 square kilometers, to till their fields and to follow their trades and callings, and if they further demand the restitution of those colonial possessions which formerly were their property, which they had not taken away from anybody by robbery or war but honestly acquired by purchase, exchange and treaties. Moreover, in all my demands, I always first tried to obtain revisions by way of negotiation.

So here we have the Anglos snatching up every square mile they could lay their greedy hands on, up to 25% of the planets surface, yet they wasted it all because the Jews told them to fight a war against the Germans who wanted nothing more then to unite Germans in one land. My proposal to deal with Anglosphere:

1) Australia + New-Zealand goes to China to solve their overpopulation problems (oh wait, is already happening with consent of the local population, or rather it's political class. MG has already announced he will personally monitor that the transition process will not be interrupted by Nazis. Keep up the good work MG, we are not going to intervene! )
2) Britain to Europe's muslims
3) US to be divided by Mexico (30%), Alaska back to Russia, South-East to the blacks, the West to Asians and New York to harbour the Israelis after their country has been whipped of the map. No Zimmerman telegram necessary this time, America's South-West has already surrendered.

Nobody is going to miss you.

P.S. here is a picture of Gawdzilla gloriously engaged in an orderly retreat from Saigon after he was finished killing communists. Ah well, where would the Anglo's be without the Russians? Exactly... nowhere!

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Not really. We have the Russians while you will have the Street of Hormuz closed thanks to your governments Clouseau style actions.

We have 1.5 million muzzies now on 16 million. You have, thanks to your Uncle Tom head start officially 66% Europeans, but inreality more likely 50%. Anyway, less than

But Gawdzilla, I am shocked! What is this brazen talk of '3rd world countries'!? Don't you know that color is only skin deep? Don't you know that diversity is our strength!

I am afraid I have to warn the ADL that they come and discipline you.

You have to remember that you are very low on the food chain. Live with it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You should have actually read it before posting the link.

Hitler : Point Six. Switzerland: Germany adopted the same attitude toward Switzerland. The Reich Government has never given the slightest cause for doubt regarding their desires to establish friendly relations with the country.
(Operation Tannenbaum was Germany's plan for invading Switzerland at this time.)

I take it the plan was conveniently found by Robert Kempner, somewhere in a drawer in a German ministery, right?

For your information, Switzerland was never attacked. Plans to cover enventualities do not count, only actions.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You have to remember that you are very low on the food chain. Live with it.

Really? So where is your position in the 'foodchain' then, since you need an awfull lot of Anglo resources to keep me in check. And failing to do so.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Really? So where is your position in the 'foodchain' then, since you need an awfull lot of Anglo resources to keep me in check. And failing to do so.

The only thing needed to keep you in check is a trash bag.

 

[9/11-investigator]

We're all waiting for evidence with bated breath. You can't just posit there must have been such proposals. I already quoted Dahlerus' testimony that he concluded on 26 September that Germany's goal had been to conquer Poland. Hitler also told him Poland could not be restored, and partially hid behind the fact that the Soviets occupied the eastern part.

That is true, Versailles Poland was history. What would return was a Polish ethno state. that was good enough. Why should Poles rule over Germans, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, etc.? Just because some Anglo decided in Versailles that that should be the case? To hell with Anglos.

The evidence of Hitler not sticking to his word is overwhelming and needs no further discussion.

No it is not. The treason the Allies committed against the Germans was outrageous. Even Wilson was disgusted by it and the Senate refused to sign the treaty.

That's one tertiairy source and two loonies. The BBC did not mention details.

Are you that desperate that you are going to doubt that Hitler held the public address at all on October 6, 1939??!!

hitler.org is a cleverly disguised neo-Nastie site registered by the organization "United Thought". It has no "about" or some such on who is behind this. I'm not going to bother with reading the stuff, as long as no-one trustworthy vouches for the veracity.

That is irrelevant. Are you proposing that they made up the speech? Show me the real transscript then if you want to make a fool of yourself.

Besides that, it's utterly unimportant what he said in speeches for internal consumption. What's important is what offers he extended to the British foreign office.

It was a public speech. Should I spell it ought for you? P-U-B-L-I-C

But as the BBC article confirms, the British were not interested. They and Roosevelt were already on a war path. Or as Chamberlain revealed to Joseph Kennedy: it is the Jews that push us into the war.

You know very little about the ethnic make-up of Poland in the inter-war years, do you? The German-Polish border very much followed ethnic lines, and there was only a small minority of "Germans" in Poland. Or do you really think that Hitler was concerned with the Lithuanians, Belarus and Ukrainians in the east of Poland?

What do you mean 'small'? 2 million is not small.

Interestingly, modern Poland is one of the ethnically purest in the entire world. Just as Dolfie liked it.

A speech is no peace proposal. A diplomatic note is.

Oh yes you are right, and it should be on A4-format, otherwise it is not a valid peace proposal. And it must have a valid stamp in a valid envelope. Otherwise ti does not count.

You are hopeless, ddt.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The only thing needed to keep you in check is a trash bag.

You do not seem to have a very high opinion of yourself!

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You do not seem to have a very high opinion of yourself!

*pat, pat, pat*

 

[MG1962]

'We' is good.

The Brits did nothing. Even Buchanan confirms that Britain delivered max. 5% of the war effort, that was all that dad's army could deliver. The effort consisted mainly in 'gloriously advancing towards the channel'. And in reality 'these proud sons of the British empire' got their asses saved because Dolfie had a little bit too high regard for your kind, a mistake we are not going to repeat. He should have driven you into the sea at Duinkerken. Anglosphere is the enemy and since you are hated by Islam, China and Russia (and Europe has alway looked down upon you) you are going to be finished.

And I believe you when you say that your uncle was a rat.

You dont actually know where Tobruk is do you - or how the rats got the name. Such a light weight with such a big mouth

 

[dafydd]

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And I believe you when you say that your uncle was a rat.

Yeuch! You are vile.If my uncle was still alive he might regret helping to liberate your country from your pin-up boy,the unibollical Charlie Chaplin lookalike.You have the brain of a fly,and I'll bet that the fly was glad to get rid of it.

 

[SpitfireIX]

One of my profs at Purdue left Nasty Germany in 1937 and went to Palestine with his family. In 1939 he joined the Jewish Brigade of the British Army. He fought in North Africa and Italy until the end of the war. He later taught at Sandhurst, where he was John Keegan's lead professor. One thing he told me that I remember well:

"Killing Nazis was a good idea then. And it's still a good idea."

Did he ever tell you about what happened to him at Salerno?

 

[Amazer]

Yeuch! You are vile.If my uncle was still alive he might regret helping to liberate your country from your pin-up boy,the unibollical Charlie Chaplin lookalike.You have the brain of a fly,and I'll bet that the fly was glad to get rid of it.

Don't let this sorry excuse for a human being color your image of The Netherlands. Thankfully the state of mind (such as it is) that 9/11 displays is pretty rare.