Who started both World Wars?

[9/11-investigator]

Either you're a Poe or you're waiting for the mothership to return.

I will take that as a compliment.

 

[jhunter1163]

What's a few ships if you can win the world?

The NY towers were asbest ridden and had to be demolished anyway. Why not let foreign insurers pay for it? That's what happened.

I see that your knowledge of 9/11 is on par with your knowledge of history; that is, nil.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The interpretation of history is highly politicized, in modernity it has replaced religion. Even today Putin has no choice but to glorify the Soviet past even if he knows better.

9/11 same story. Only foolish lefty troofers will pursue their aim with zeal in the full conviction that America will be a better place if that 'evil right wing man George Bush' has been convicted. In reality America will cease to exist. Replacing a president because he organized a few bugs in the hotel of the electoral opponent is one thing, but organizing the murder of 3000 of your own citizens for some Zionist foreign policy goal + preparing for the totalitarianization of society carried out by Zionist neocons ('Patriot Act') is a different thing altogether and will overturn the entire US power structure. That's why most intelligent Americans will not touch the subject. The consequences are enormous.

Kathyn same story. Many in post-war Poland knew the truth but it was effectively surpressed until Gorbachev came along.

Pearl Harbor same story. A lot of people suspected the truth but nobody made an effort to make it main stream. Not in the national (self) interest.

Here is the book the describes the real story:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/stinnett1.html

And here a review of one of my favorite American columnists, the libertarian Christian Gary North:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north26.html
Things are beginning to change for the better. The Web has begun to chip away at every academic guild’s monopoly. What is taught in college classrooms no longer has the same authority that it possessed in 1960. But until the subsidizing of higher education by the state ends, and until the state-licensed accreditation oligopoly ends or is overcome by new, "price-competitive technologies," it will remain an uphill battle for Pearl Harbor revisionists in academia.

We're working on it, mr. North.

IHR Pearl Harbor links:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p119_Stolley.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p431_Lutton.html

 

[9/11-investigator]

I see that your knowledge of 9/11 is on par with your knowledge of history; that is, nil.

Again one of these impotent one-liner 'rebuttals'.

 

[jhunter1163]

I did a search on "asbestos" in the 9/11 CT subforum and found that 9/11-investigator has been getting his ass handed to him since at least December 2008 on the "asbestos-ridden" claims. He's obviously not going to listen to me; better debunkers than I have been trying to educate him for a year and a half to no avail. I'm not going to waste any more time on him. As they say, you can't fix stupid.

 

[Hans]

Again one of these impotent one-liner 'rebuttals'.

Note: 9/11 you have demonstrated an abysmal knowledge of history.
Which I have sent to a number of other venues for their amusement.

Unfortunately correcting your horrid lack of knowledge and research skills has become unfun.

Adieu

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What's a few ships if you can win the world?

The NY towers were asbest ridden and had to be demolished anyway. Why not let foreign insurers pay for it? That's what happened.

So the casual murder part doesn't slow you down at all? Do you see monsters mixed in with people on the sidewalks?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I will take that as a compliment.

That would be a mistake.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Here is the book the describes the real story:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/stinnett1.html

Stinnett is/was a senile moron. I told him this on his website forum. He claims the messages he printed in the "book" of his came from JN-25 messages broken before Pearl Harbor. He then lists the source of those messages, Homer Wallin's book on Pearl salvage. Wallin correct lists the origin of those messages as the questionnaire the Congressional Investigative Committee sent to the MacArthur Shogunate to get information from the Japanese involved in the attack planning. He PROVES THEY ARE NOT WHAT HE CLAIMS THEM TO BE IN HIS OWN BOOK. Just how stupid do you have to be to do that?

 

[9/11-investigator]

It was my impression that firestorms were created intentionally.

Several cities were subjected to this kind of heavy bombardment. The allies, assuming they didn't do that on purpose, certainly knew of the possibility. Not that I'm giving 9/11 any points, here.

Yes you do.

Time for the famous aceton shower?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Note: 9/11 you have demonstrated an abysmal knowledge of history.
Which I have sent to a number of other venues for their amusement.

Unfortunately correcting your horrid lack of knowledge and research skills has become unfun.

Adieu

Auf niemals wiedersehen!

 

[9/11-investigator]

That would be a mistake.

If I read you correctly you compared me either with a great literate or alternatively even suspected I was of extraterrestial origin, meaning I am a higher being than you since I can move between worlds.

Do I really have to go so far that I even have to explain your own posts to you??!!

 

[9/11-investigator]

Stinnett is/was a senile moron. I told him this on his website forum. He claims the messages he printed in the "book" of his came from JN-25 messages broken before Pearl Harbor. He then lists the source of those messages, Homer Wallin's book on Pearl salvage. Wallin correct lists the origin of those messages as the questionnaire the Congressional Investigative Committee sent to the MacArthur Shogunate to get information from the Japanese involved in the attack planning. He PROVES THEY ARE NOT WHAT HE CLAIMS THEM TO BE IN HIS OWN BOOK. Just how stupid do you have to be to do that?

Fine.

Why do you think the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor?

 

[A'isha]

And here a review of one of my favorite American columnists, the libertarian Christian Gary North:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north26.html
Things are beginning to change for the better. The Web has begun to chip away at every academic guild’s monopoly. What is taught in college classrooms no longer has the same authority that it possessed in 1960. But until the subsidizing of higher education by the state ends, and until the state-licensed accreditation oligopoly ends or is overcome by new, "price-competitive technologies," it will remain an uphill battle for Pearl Harbor revisionists in academia.

Gary North? A libertarian? The Gary North who is an unabashed and avowed Christian Reconstructionist (and son-in-law of the Reconstructionist movement's founder) who wants to replace the US Government with a restrictive Fundamentalist theocracy where all civil and criminal laws are derived solely from the Bible? The Gary North who was so utterly convinced that Y2K was a completely unsolvable problem that he dedicated a whole website and much of his resources to surviving the inevitable collapse of civilization caused by the Millennium Bug (after which he and his Reconstructionist buddies could rebuild America along their desired theocratic lines)?

That Gary North?

 

[excaza]

Gary North? A libertarian? The Gary North who is an unabashed and avowed Christian Reconstructionist (and son-in-law of the Reconstructionist movement's founder) who wants to replace the US Government with a restrictive Fundamentalist theocracy where all civil and criminal laws are derived solely from the Bible? The Gary North who was so utterly convinced that Y2K was a completely unsolvable problem that he dedicated a whole website and much of his resources to surviving the inevitable collapse of civilization caused by the Millennium Bug (after which he and his Reconstructionist buddies could rebuild America along their desired theocratic lines)?

That Gary North?

Well, you know, the Jews orchestrated Y2K in order to make up for the failure of Pearl Harbor (which the Jews also orchestrated) to knock out the US Pacific fleet. Then they orchestrated 9/11 to make up for the failure of Y2K to destroy the world. Now the Jews are busy preparing to end the wold in 2012.

 

[dudalb]

Gary North? A libertarian? The Gary North who is an unabashed and avowed Christian Reconstructionist (and son-in-law of the Reconstructionist movement's founder) who wants to replace the US Government with a restrictive Fundamentalist theocracy where all civil and criminal laws are derived solely from the Bible? The Gary North who was so utterly convinced that Y2K was a completely unsolvable problem that he dedicated a whole website and much of his resources to surviving the inevitable collapse of civilization caused by the Millennium Bug (after which he and his Reconstructionist buddies could rebuild America along their desired theocratic lines)?

That Gary North?

Ya beat me to it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Gary North? A libertarian? The Gary North who is an unabashed and avowed Christian Reconstructionist (and son-in-law of the Reconstructionist movement's founder) who wants to replace the US Government with a restrictive Fundamentalist theocracy where all civil and criminal laws are derived solely from the Bible? The Gary North who was so utterly convinced that Y2K was a completely unsolvable problem that he dedicated a whole website and much of his resources to surviving the inevitable collapse of civilization caused by the Millennium Bug (after which he and his Reconstructionist buddies could rebuild America along their desired theocratic lines)?

That Gary North?

Yep, that's him. I am not interested in his Christian stuff but his observations on economy and a host of other topics are often interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_North_(Christian_Reconstructionist)
Starting in 1967, North became a frequent contributor to the libertarian journal The Freeman where he had first read their work.

He served as research assistant for libertarian Republican Congressman Ron Paul in Paul's first term (1976).

Many of North's articles have appeared on LewRockwell.com.
(Libertarian Central)

P.S. any idea how many billions have been spend on Y2K?

 

[A'isha]

Yep, that's him. I am not interested in his Christian stuff but his observations on economy and a host of other topics are often interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_North_(Christian_Reconstructionist)
Starting in 1967, North became a frequent contributor to the libertarian journal The Freeman where he had first read their work.

He served as research assistant for libertarian Republican Congressman Ron Paul in Paul's first term (1976).

Many of North's articles have appeared on LewRockwell.com.
(Libertarian Central)

Gary North is libertarian like proponents of complete sharia law are libertarian.

P.S. any idea how many billions have been spend on Y2K?

Doesn't matter. According to North, the Y2K problem was unsolvable no matter how much money was thrown at it. On he website, he stated he was "staking his life" on the inevitable failure of programmers to correct the issue in time. "[T]he problem will not be fixed. Everyone in authority will deny that time has run out to get this fixed, right up until December 31, 1999. They are paid to deny this. I'm saying that it's over. Right now. It cannot be fixed."

He was massively, utterly, unbelievably and completely wrong.

 

[Corsair 115]

It was my impression that firestorms were created intentionally.

No, they could not. There were perhaps only a dozen firestorms during the entire war.

If the RAF could have created them on command, they would have done so on the raids immediately subsequent to Hamburg and quite possibly have won the war. Instead, firestorms were the product of rare atmospheric and meteorological conditions combined with the geography of the city and unusually concentrated bombing results.

Several cities were subjected to this kind of heavy bombardment.

More than several. Heavy bombardment was the rule once the forces were big enough to do so. But that's because you needed a lot of bombers to strike a target in order to have any hope of actually hitting the target. After the war, the USAAF estimated that, bombing by daylight in clear weather, on average it put half the bombs dropped within one-third of a mile of the aiming point (naturally, this means the other half of the bombs dropped were more than one-third of a mile from the aiming point). When bombing through heavy cloud, half the bombs dropped were within 3.9 miles of the aiming point—a huge reduction in accuracy. Bomber Command had a different measure for accuracy: percentage of bombs dropped that fell within three miles of the aiming point. The percentage varied considerably during the war, from a low of just 20% in mid-1942 to a high of 90% at the end of 1944. Of course, three miles around the aiming point translates to an area of almost 30 square miles.

Bomber Command systematically reduced to rubble many German cities while the USAAF pounded German industry into the ground. The effects on Germany's war effort of the latter are more readily measured than the effects of the former. But the RAF's campaign did produce some notable indirect effects. Whether those indirect effects justify the cost in lives and material is another question entirely.

 

[9/11-investigator]

No, they could not. There were perhaps only a dozen firestorms during the entire war.

If the RAF could have created them on command, they would have done so on the raids immediately subsequent to Hamburg and quite possibly have won the war. Instead, firestorms were the product of rare atmospheric and meteorological conditions combined with the geography of the city and unusually concentrated bombing results.

It is this typical Anglo lack of concern with burning to death of innocent civilians that is so frightening about them. They will likely launch a nuke again if it suits them... 'to end the war', that goes without saying. Corsair, member of that group of people that occupies the lower regions of the west slope of the Bell mountain, in his avatar decorates himself with the achievements of those he would like to burn alive. For 65 years the world has been looking in the wrong direction, courtesy Spielberg and co. Fortunately they are going nowhere any time soon. The people able to do it are no longer there to do it. Even building a fast train is too much to asked.

More than several. Heavy bombardment was the rule once the forces were big enough to do so. But that's because you needed a lot of bombers to strike a target in order to have any hope of actually hitting the target. After the war, the USAAF estimated that, bombing by daylight in clear weather, on average it put half the bombs dropped within one-third of a mile of the aiming point (naturally, this means the other half of the bombs dropped were more than one-third of a mile from the aiming point). When bombing through heavy cloud, half the bombs dropped were within 3.9 miles of the aiming point—a huge reduction in accuracy. Bomber Command had a different measure for accuracy: percentage of bombs dropped that fell within three miles of the aiming point. The percentage varied considerably during the war, from a low of just 20% in mid-1942 to a high of 90% at the end of 1944. Of course, three miles around the aiming point translates to an area of almost 15 square miles.

Bomber Command systematically reduced to rubble many German cities while the USAAF pounded German industry into the ground. The effects on Germany's war effort of the latter are more readily measured than the effects of the former. But the RAF's campaign did produce some notable indirect effects. Whether those indirect effects justify the cost in lives and material is another question entirely.

Could somebody please turn this guy off?