Merged Gulf oil spill more serious than reported

[rwguinn]

If it was rain - why was there no video of oil rain on the cars parked in the street or anywhere else.

All we have is an oily sheen on water in a flooded gutter and a drain.

No oily water on any surfaces, except for those in a drain or a flooded gutter.

Also, in a town of some 1 million people, only one loon with a video camera seems to have noticed this "oily rain".

Whereas, oily sheen has been observed on roads after rain and in drains and gutters after rain.

That and there is no scientific evidence at all that oil can be firstly evaporated into the atmosphere AND condensed into raindrops.

What the hells doe WR think asphalt is?

 

[Without Rights]

What the hells doe WR think asphalt is?

San Francisco Chronicle reports;

"It seems like damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi.
A mysterious "disease" has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage or "disease"."

More and more media coverage is proving my point.
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[Without Rights]

What the hells doe WR think asphalt is?

A refined petroleum byproduct. Refined in that most of the oil is removed. Removed enough to prevent oil extraction onto the streets. Why doesn't all asphalt excrete oil enough to cover the ground? Just the asphalt that proves your point has so much oil in it. I've seen slight releases in small areas, I have never seen so much oil that it rises off the pavement to float on top of water.

 

[aggle-rithm]

More and more media coverage is proving my point.

...which is...?

 

[Without Rights]

...which is...?

That people who live on the Gulf are in potential danger. Hence, the title of the thread. Media reports financial damage and marine wildlife loss but never dangers to humans. You should try and focus a little more.

 

[Without Rights]

Smart move.

 

[AlBell]

Smart move.

Not as good as "Move along. Nothing to see here.".

 

[Without Rights]

Also, in a town of some 1 million people, only one loon with a video camera seems to have noticed this "oily rain".

River Ridge, LA has 15,000 people, no 1 million.

 

[EHocking]

River Ridge, LA has 15,000 people, no 1 million.

... and not one of them noticed this "oily rain"...which was the point made...

 

[rwguinn]

... and not one of them noticed this "oily rain"...which was the point made...

WR should try a little experiment.
Get a bottle of water. Go pour it on the asphalt street. Observe the puddle from several directions.
OMG! Bottled water is oil-contaminated!

 

[Without Rights]

WR should try a little experiment.
Get a bottle of water. Go pour it on the asphalt street. Observe the puddle from several directions.
OMG! Bottled water is oil-contaminated!

Actually it's raining right now and there is no oil visible, not even over the asphalt. I guarantee if I did your experiment I would not get oil saturated water. The oil is removed from asphalt during refining. If that much oil was in asphalt cars would be slipping all over the roads. I think it would more likely be caused by oil from cars or oil left over from an oil change that didn't get disposed of properly. Not asphalt.

 

[Without Rights]

... and not one of them noticed this "oily rain"...which was the point made...

Your point was skewed by overstating population size by 985000 people.

 

[EHocking]

Your point was skewed by overstating population size by 985000 people.

Only if this rain storm only happened over the 3.5 sq.miles of River Ridge.

In other words you have absolutely no evidence to show that oily rain occurred anywhere in the area, so you obfuscate by nitpicking population density.

Why is it that NO ONE in the area reported oily rain on their windshields as they drove around this area - or are you going to tell me the 15,000 Ridge River residents were all indoors when this "occurred"?

Please answer ALL the points raised in my post - not just the demographics nitpick. Here are those points that you ignored, again.

If it was rain - why was there no video of oil rain on the cars parked in the street or anywhere else.

All we have is an oily sheen on water in a flooded gutter and a drain.

No oily water on any surfaces, except for those in a drain or a flooded gutter.

Also, in a town of some 1 million 15,000 people, only one loon with a video camera seems to have noticed this "oily rain".

Whereas, oily sheen has been observed on roads after rain and in drains and gutters after rain.

That and there is no scientific evidence at all that oil can be firstly evaporated into the atmosphere AND condensed into raindrops.

 

[EHocking]

Your point was skewed by overstating population size by 985000 people.

Here's a video from another River Ridge resident on the subject of the oily rain the "fell" there.


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[aggle-rithm]

More and more media coverage is proving my point.

Media reports financial damage and marine wildlife loss but never dangers to humans.

I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. You're saying your point is that people are in potential danger, and the media, which is ignoring this danger, is proving your point?

You should try and focus a little more.

I've tried; that only makes it worse.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I think it would more likely be caused by oil from cars or oil left over from an oil change that didn't get disposed of properly. Not asphalt.

That's exactly where it comes from, most of it from cars with oil leaks. Here in Austin there are very strict building codes that require any asphalt-topped surface to have a filtration system installed to prevent all this oil from running into the groundwater.

This would be pointless if the oil came from the rain itself.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Actually it's raining right now and there is no oil visible, not even over the asphalt.

How long has it been since it rained there? One of the dangers of a long dry spell is that the oil builds up on roadways, and when the rain finally comes it gets particularly slippery. That's when you tend to see the oily sheen in puddles.

 

[Myriad]

WR, have you assessed the risks associated with an evacuation of Florida? Known risks inevitably incurred by mass evacuations include:

- Vehicle traffic accidents
- Stress and injuries from packing and moving
- Medical problems caused by separating people, including the elderly and infirm, from their normal sources of health care, medication, support, and emergency assistance
- Violence associated with looting (e.g. fights between looters and stay-behind property owners, and between looters and LEOs)

How do these compare, quantitatively, with your assessment of the risk of pockets of concentrated toxic vapors wafting inland (while somehow remaining concentrated in the process)?

In other words, what do you tell the widow of the man who after over-stressing and over-exerting trying to pack as many valuables as possible, and then getting stuck in traffic causing more stress, has a heart attack and dies because the ambulance can't get through? That at least he didn't breathe in any concentrations of benzene the EPA considers unhealthy for long-term exposure?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[BenBurch]

Wow, this took a turn into stupid while I was away.

 

[Without Rights]

WR, have you assessed the risks associated with an evacuation of Florida? Known risks inevitably incurred by mass evacuations include:

You are reading their comments and not mine. As I have stated previously, I am not saying they should evacuate Florida. I only said there is a danger looming for humans. That's why I choose to leave. Also if the toxins do come ashore in dense pockets, damn your list, they will have no choice but to evacuate the Gulf coast (not all of Florida).

How do these compare, quantitatively, with your assessment of the risk of pockets of concentrated toxic vapors wafting inland (while somehow remaining concentrated in the process)?

That's why mandatory evacuation is not a good choice. I agree the risk is not 100%. I see staying as a gamble of my childrens health, it is everybody's choice at this point. The fault is in the reporting by the news never mentions risk to humans (which has changed slightly since this thread). They don't want people to panic, but knowledge and choice are the building blocks of freedom.

In other words, what do you tell the widow of the man who after over-stressing and over-exerting trying to pack as many valuables as possible, and then getting stuck in traffic causing more stress, has a heart attack and dies because the ambulance can't get through?

That's ridiculous. A lot of Gulf coast residents are concerned about the health risks from the oil. Nobody is panicking and having a heart attack. A lot are talking about leaving. The heart attack may come, however, if toxins hit and then there is a panic.

That at least he didn't breathe in any concentrations of benzene the EPA considers unhealthy for long-term exposure?

Nice appeal to emotions.