Jewish dance group stoned in Hanover, Germany

[Pardalis]

I wonder what Helen Thomas thinks of this.

 

[Thunder]

No, Wildcat. Its not ironic. They were described as "Israeli dancers". Because of this, I assumed they were Israeli. If they were not Israeli, than I assumed wrong.

But its not ironic. Sorry.

 

[Thunder]

I've never seen Neo-Nazis and right-wing Uber-Zionists grouped together before, by the way.

Uber-Zionists and Neo-Nazis have a few things in common.

#1. they want ALL Jews to move to Israel.

#2. they associate all Jews with Israelis, and all Israelis with Jews.

#3. they believe in a "master race".

#4. they believe that certain ethnic groups are inferior to others.

 

[Childlike Empress]

They were liberal jews from Hannover but were announced as performing "Israeli dances". The kids (between 9 and 15) threw "Kieselsteine", which my translator translates to "pebbles".

 

[Pardalis]

They were liberal jews from Hannover but were announced as performing "Israeli dances". The kids (between 9 and 15) threw "Kieselsteine", which my translator translates to "pebbles".

And that makes it OK?

You guys need to teach your kids a little history so that it doesn't repeat itself.

 

[Childlike Empress]

No, that doesn't make it "OK", *********. That puts it in context.

edit: the kids are from lebanese, iranian and palestinian immigrant families.

Edited, breach of Rule 0.

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[Pardalis]

And putting it in context accomplishes what exactly?

A hate crime is a hate crime, right?

It makes it worst when it's done by children. What kind of adults will they be?

 

[Pardalis]

edit: the kids are from lebanese, iranian and palestinian immigrant families.

And?

 

[Thunder]

the kids who threw rocks, should go to jail for assault.

i'd still like to see Jews just throw the rocks right back. I know I would have.

 

[Pardalis]

Maybe I should start throwing pebbles at Germans at the next Oktober fest, you know, to protest the tens of thousands of Canadians they killed during WW2.

 

[Childlike Empress]

That would be great - internet access in german mental homes is very limited, so we would all profit.

 

[Pardalis]

You didn't answer my question:

edit: the kids are from lebanese, iranian and palestinian immigrant families.

And?

What difference does it make of what origin are their parents?

 

[Roadtoad]

This is horrifying. At what point do we quit coddling the racists and start filing serious charges?

 

[ddt]

Maybe I should start throwing pebbles at Germans at the next Oktober fest, you know, to protest the tens of thousands of Canadians they killed during WW2.

And that would make you just as bad as the kids who threw pebbles at the Jewish dance group in Hanover. Your reasoning is nonsensical, and you seem to overlook the reaction of the average German to this incident. A couple of choice comments from the article from the (left-wing) Tageszeitung article Childlike Empress quoted:

Der Stadtteiltreff hat Strafanzeige wegen Volksverhetzung und Körperverletzung gestellt.

and

"Wir freuen uns, dass sich viele mit uns solidarisieren", sagte die Sozialarbeiterin Alla Volodarska.

And from the Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung, a local paper:

Oberbürgermeister Stephan Weil nahm die Nachricht von der Attacke am Dienstag mit Bestürzung auf.

and a reaction of the Palestinian community in Hanover:

Bestürzt reagierte auch Yazir Shammout, der Vorsitzende der Palästinensischen Gemeinde, auf den Vorfall. „Jede Form von Gewalt ist aufs Schärfste zu verurteilen“, sagte er. Die Palästinensische Gemeinde organisiere seit einiger Zeit gemeinsame Aktionen und Gesprächsabende mit jüdischen Vertretern: „Auch wenn wir anderer Ansicht sind, gehen wir sachlich und zivilisiert miteinander um“, sagte Shammout.

But if you think it's OK to condemn a whole nation for the actions of a handful of people, I can't stop you.

ETA: I don't bother trying to translate them for you.

 

[Childlike Empress]

It's time for you to learn that people aren't obliged to answer your silly questions, Pardalis. I'm not interested in another futile "conversation" with you, i provided information to the thread. Bye.

 

[Pardalis]

And that would make you just as bad as the kids who threw pebbles at the Jewish dance group in Hanover. Your reasoning is nonsensical

Yes, that was kind of the point. I was using CE's own argument against her, to make her understand how ridiculous it was. I guess it went right past you.

What I can't stand is people trying to come up with excuses for their behavior, like bringing up their parent's heritage.

 

[ddt]

This is horrifying. At what point do we quit coddling the racists and start filing serious charges?

Charges have been filed. By the Hanover City council, by the borough council, by the organization of the festival and by the Liberal Jewish community.

 

[Yogzotot]

Just FYI:

According to German news, it was a group of nine young male arab migrants (aged 9, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14, 16, 19) who shouted anti-semitic slogans and threw pebbles at the jewish dancers during a community event last Saturday, lightly injuring one dancer's leg. Within a week, all 9 have been identified. Some of the youth were already known to the police due to aggressive behaviour / previous assaults. The group has been charged with assault, attempted assault, and sedition (I am not a lawyer, but think this is the most appropriate translation of their German charges) -- though I guess the younger ones cannot be held legally accountable due to their age under German law.

The state's secretary for integration (of Turkish migrant descent herself) put it nicely: "We will not cease to promote the community of people, independent of religious affiliation, descent and political view." She reminded parents of migrant youth of their responsibility to educate their kids in the spirit of tolerance and respect.

 

[Pardalis]

It's time for you to learn that people aren't obliged to answer your silly questions, Pardalis. I'm not interested in another futile "conversation" with you, i provided information to the thread. Bye.

You're running away again.

Let me answer it for you then.

The only reason I see why you would bring up those kids' parents' heritage, is because you think they've got legitimate grievances against Israel, so therefore according to you throwing pebbles at those Jews was in a twisted way justified.

 

[ddt]

Yes, that was kind of the point.

What I can't stand is people trying to come up with excuses for their behavior, like bringing up their parent's heritage.

That's what you read in Childlike's comments, whereas they were absolutely neutral, only providing some extra info. The heritage of the kids was already roughly mentioned in the BBC article in the OP.

But if you want ridiculous comments, you can get them. Here's an article in Die Welt, a right-wing explicitly pro-Israel magazine:

Charlotte Knobloch, Präsidentin des Zentralrats der Juden in Deutschland, betonte gegenüber dieser Zeitung, der Zwischenfall belege "eine neue gesellschaftliche Herausforderung, die bereits in den vergangenen Wochen deutlich wie nie zutage getreten ist"

I'll translate this one for you:

Charlotte Knobloch, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said to this paper that this incident marked "a new social challenge, that has clearly emerged in the last few weeks".

How megalomanic can you get? "Social challenge"? German reunification was/is a social challenge, the economic crisis is a social challenge. How vile antisemitism is, what's new about this incident that makes this a special social challenge?