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Stem Cells & Healing?

PixyMisa said:
Okay.


Okay, bone marrow produces blood cells.


Well, they got ONE thing right - bone marrow produces blood cells.

Assuming this is some homeopathic remedy, we know perfectly well that it does nothing. Even in non-homeopathic quantities, it doesn't stimulate bone marrow; it may help in bone growth, since it contains calcium.
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Some relation of Ca2+ with stem cell activation is indicated.

Recently, I got hints that parasympathetic nervous system is related to stimulation of stem cell system. Acute inflammation & hypoxia with stem cell mobilization>
 
PixyMisa said:
No.

In the lab, yes, there's research going on into doing that. In your shoulder, NO.

In the lab, potentially, yes. In your shoulder, NO.

We'd be dead without them.

But we cannot regenerate lost limbs. We do not have the stem cells to do so. Stem cells do NOT circulate. They do NOT take part in the normal process of healing injuries or fighting disease. You are misunderstanding the material you are quoting.

He may be a regular practitioner. He is definitely a fraud.
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Today, in view of increasing commecialization & increasing cost, we can't say who is fraud & who is not?

Reg. my shoulder healing, probably stem cell involvement may not be needed due to minor injury but I feel interventions may cause compromised healing with scar.
 
Kumar said:
Missing silica can be a big miss.
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No.

Kumar said:
I think it is a contradicting statement.
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Yes, homeopathy violates the laws of physics, so homeopathy is contradicted.

But first and foremost, homeopathy does not work.

Kumar said:
May be you people had not taught anything really good. Then probably I was able to teach.
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No.

Since we demonstrably and invariably know more about the subject than you, you are not teaching us anything (except saintly patience).

Kumar said:
Some relation of Ca2+ with stem cell activation is indicated.
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No it isn't. You have presented no evidence to support any such thing.

Recently, I got hints that parasympathetic nervous system is related to stimulation of stem cell system.
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No.

Acute inflammation & hypoxia with stem cell mobilization>
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No, no, and no.

Kumar said:
What then they do and meant for?
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You didn't actually bother to read any of the material you quoted, or any of the responses in this thread, did you?

Stem cells in bone marrow produce blood cells. Without them, we'd be dead.

Understand?

Kumar said:
Today, in view of increasing commecialization & increasing cost, we can't say who is fraud & who is not?
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Yes we can.

If they are promoting stem-cell therapies to treat injuries, they are frauds. No such treatment is available, so anyone trying to promote this is a fraud by definition.

Reg. my shoulder healing, probably stem cell involvement may not be needed due to minor injury but I feel interventions may cause compromised healing with scar.
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We don't care what you feel. We care what evidence you can present. Which, so far, has been none.
 
Taffer said:
As PixyMisa has pointed out to you, more than once, and as your very own links have stated, stem cells in marrow produce blood cells. And nothing more.
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Stem cells
Main article: Mesenchymal stem cell
The bone marrow stroma contain mesenchymal stem cells (also called marrow stromal cells). These cells are multipotent stem cells that can differentiate into a variety of cell types. Cell types that MSCs have been shown to differentiate into in vitro or in vivo include osteoblasts, chondrocytes, myocytes, adipocytes, and, as described lately, beta-pancreatic islets cells. They can also transdifferentiate into neuronal cells.

Type of stem cells
Bone marrow contains three types of stem cells:[2]

Hematopoietic stem cells give rise to the three classes of blood cells that are found in the circulation: white blood cells (leukocytes), red blood cells (erythrocytes), and platelets (thrombocytes).
Mesenchymal stem cells are found arrayed around the central sinus in the bone marrow. They have the capability to differentiate into osteoblasts, chondrocytes, myocytes, and many other types of cells. They also function as "gatekeeper" cells of the bone marrow.
Endothelial stem cells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow
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Bone marrow also contain stem cells which can differenciate into other other type of cells than blood cells.
 
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PixyMisa said:
No.


Yes, homeopathy violates the laws of physics, so homeopathy is contradicted.

But first and foremost, homeopathy does not work.


No.
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It may be beyond your scope.

Since we demonstrably and invariably know more about the subject than you, you are not teaching us anything (except saintly patience).
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Anyone can teach or learn something from each other.


No it isn't. You have presented no evidence to support any such thing.


No.


No, no, and no.


You didn't actually bother to read any of the material you quoted, or any of the responses in this thread, did you?

Stem cells in bone marrow produce blood cells. Without them, we'd be dead.

Understand?


Yes we can.

If they are promoting stem-cell therapies to treat injuries, they are frauds. No such treatment is available, so anyone trying to promote this is a fraud by definition.


We don't care what you feel. We care what evidence you can present. Which, so far, has been none.
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My last reply suggest bone marrow contain many type of stem cells.

I don't know who is honest & who is fraud in your prefered system. Stem cell therapy is an conventional system branch.
 
Kumar said:
I don't know who is honest & who is fraud in your prefered system. Stem cell therapy is an conventional system branch.
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No. "Stem Cell" therapy as practiced by quacks is quackery and fraudulent nonsense.
 
Taffer said:
I stand corrected.

What's your point?
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There are multipotent and even pluripotent stem cells everywhere. It can even be found on skin and the blood stream although the number is exceedingly minute. This still does not change the fact that Kumar is talking nonsense.
 
paximperium said:
There are multipotent and even pluripotent stem cells everywhere. It can even be found on skin and the blood stream although the number is exceedingly minute. This still does not change the fact that Kumar is talking nonsense.
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Oh, I'm aware it's all nonsense, don't worry. :)
 
Mojo said:
It doesn't actually violate any. But it tries really, really hard.
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Yes it does. The original concept of homeopathy violates the law of mass action and the concept of water memory violates the second law of thermodynamics.
 
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technoextreme said:
Yes it does. The original concept of homeopathy violates the law of mass action and the concept of water memory violates the second law of thermodynamics.
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Sure, the concepts do; but homoeopathy itself doesn't, which is why it doesn't work.
 
Kumar said:
Bone marrow also contain stem cells which can differenciate into other other type of cells than blood cells.
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This is true.

What you are missing is the difference between multipotent stem cells - such as those found in bone marrow - and pluripotent stem cells - such as those found in embryos.

Can't blame you for that; it's not obvious.

Multipotent stem cells can turn into certain other types of cells. That's why they list the specific types of cells that bone marrow stem cells can produce.

Pluripotent stem cells can turn into any other type of cell. That's how we develop from an egg. Adult mammals don't have these.

In any case:

Kumar said:
It may be beyond your scope.
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What may be beyond my scope? Your lack of understanding of biology and medicine? Perhaps, but we have plenty of biologists and doctors here on the forum if I ever get out of my depth.

Anyone can teach or learn something from each other.
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Not true. You have to have something to teach. So far, your just plain wrong.

My last reply suggest bone marrow contain many type of stem cells.
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Three, specifically.

I don't know who is honest & who is fraud in your prefered system.
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It's not "my preferred system", it's FACT.

We do at least know who is a fraud. The people who are promoting stem cell therapy for injuries? They're frauds. No such treatment exists.

Stem cell therapy is an conventional system branch.
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Stem cell research is real, mainstream science.

Stem cell therapy is currently only used for some types of cancer.
 
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