Score one for Obama.

[Shalamar]

But you said libs were not criticizing POTUS Obama for his handling of the leak, when of course they are. What JREF conservative has called POTUS Obama a "bad man" in regards to this leak?

So 'incomptetant' and 'impotent' do not cound in the con playbook

Since libs are criticizing POTUS Obama for his impotency in handling the situation, why not ask them as well?

Because I am not asking them. I'm asking cons.

 

[Cicero]

So 'incomptetant' and 'impotent' do not cound in the con playbook

?

Because I am not asking them. I'm asking cons.

OK, but why are you exclusively asking conservatives when you now know libs have been criticizing POTUS Obama's impotence in handling this matter from the beginning?

 

[Shalamar]

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OK, but why are you exclusively asking conservatives when you now know libs have been criticizing POTUS Obama's impotence in handling this matter from the beginning?

If they want to come to the JREF and post here in answer to my question, they are free to do so.

As a con, do you have an answer? Or just criticism?

*I* don't have any answers. All I can do is follow what is going on, and try not to jump to conclusions. I have no bloody clue what is happening out on the gulf, save some people are trying to clean up the mess, others may be trying to stop the leak, and that no-one really has any idea what to do in a mess this big that just doesn't seem to want to stop.

Is Obama impotent in this case? Sure. The government doesn't have teams of people standing by who can deal with the mess. No fantastic technologies that can clean it up, and no rigs available to magically plug the leak.

So I ask. What would you have Obama do? I hear a lot of complaints, but no solutions.

 

[T.A.M.]

So he's completely useless.Got it.

I won't harp on your boyfriend again.

So i know why i admire him, he is charismatic, he is intelligent, well educated, and a thinker.

So why do you hate him?

TAM

 

[joobz]

The risk of leadership is you are rewarded on results not the process. No one will congratulate you if you thought things through and based your choices on rational observation but choose the wrong option, even if there were no right options. Similarly, if you do something that works, no one will say it doesn't count simply because you made your choice by using a dartboard.

People will continue to claim Obama did poorly until the disaster is fully over and cleaned up. Once that happens, we will figure out if what he did was right or not.

 

[Lurker]

Actually, I can see it coming now.

Once the leak is stopped and Obama commends BP for a job well done while also taking credit BP will be in bad shape financially. And since many investors are Amreican we will naturally turn around and bail them out also.

Is'nt that pretty much the pattern?

Pattern? Has it happened before?

 

[Cicero]

So i know why i admire him, he is charismatic, he is intelligent, well educated, and a thinker.

TAM

With all those virtues, there isn't much cover to explain these pearls of wisdom.

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.” –Barack Obama, health care roundtable, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith…”
–Barack Obama interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, who corrected him: “Christian faith.”

“The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.”
–Barack Obama, Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."–Obama on the working class at SF fundraiser, 2008

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.”
–Barack Obama, 2007 campaign speech on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people.

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

 

[bynmdsue]

You're totally right.I agree with you.There is nothing he can do.Not a thing.Best if he sticks to playing golf and having sing-alongs with over the hill popstars.

Oh,maybe appoint a czar.That's usually best when trying to untangle red-tape,another bureaucracy.

Also by appointing a czar you can continue to dodge any sort of responsibility.Yay for President Present!

 

[bynmdsue]

With all those virtues, there isn't much cover to explain these pearls of wisdom.

Hey you left out the best one,about how Daniel Pearl's beheading"captured the world's imagination"

 

[Just thinking]

Individual waivers, though, not a blanket suspension of the Act. And the fact that 15 ships are already operating waiverless, and no individual waivers have as yet been issued, implies that the bottleneck in terms of allowing foreign ships to help with the cleanup is not that they're being prevented from helping in the Gulf by the terms of the Jones Act, but that there simply aren't enough foreign vessels that exist (EDIT: Or are willing and/or able to be offered by their owning governments for this particular purpose) that are capable of providing useful assistance.

You can't just grab any old boat and expect it to be of use in cleaning up the oil spill, after all.

Have you any idea just how much help by countries familiar with oil rig accidents and clean-up (with equipment superior to BP) has been turned down by this administration throughout the duration of this crisis? I have yet to hear why this is so beyond mere conjecture.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

From looking at the requests made by the states and the offers of help from countries and companies, it seems clear that some criticism of the administration's response is warranted. Having said that, it also seems a great deal of the hyperventilation and criticism that actually has been making the rounds is over the top, some of it to the point of parodying itself.

Unfortunately, after reading the threads on the spill and listening to the news, it seems there can be only one of two conclusions: nothing more could have been done, and to suggest anything was mishandled shows you to be a reactionary hater, or alternatively this problem could have been wrapped up over the weekend, and those thinking differently are running interference to cover up the grossest incompetence thinkable.

I am getting too old to visit the politics forum, I guess.

 

[T.A.M.]

With all those virtues, there isn't much cover to explain these pearls of wisdom.

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.” –Barack Obama, health care roundtable, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith…”
–Barack Obama interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, who corrected him: “Christian faith.”

“The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.”
–Barack Obama, Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."–Obama on the working class at SF fundraiser, 2008

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.”
–Barack Obama, 2007 campaign speech on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people.

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

oh wow, you have pulled a handful of misspeaks out of your behind. I suspect we could find many many more for almost ANY politician.

So why do you hate him?

TAM

 

[Lurker]

after reading the threads on the spill and listening to the news, it seems there can be only one of two conclusions: nothing more could have been done, and to suggest anything was mishandled shows you to be a reactionary hater, or alternatively this problem could have been wrapped up over the weekend, and those thinking differently are running interference to cover up the grossest incompetence thinkable.

I'll confess to being in the middle a bit. I heard stories about offered aid that was refused and so on. I don't have enough information to judge those claims so am withholding judgement but I wish Obama would have been more aggressive early on in this tragedy.

 

[A'isha]

Have you any idea just how much help by countries familiar with oil rig accidents and clean-up (with equipment superior to BP) has been turned down by this administration throughout the duration of this crisis? I have yet to hear why this is so beyond mere conjecture.

That's an entirely separate issue from the Jones Act restrictions, though.

 

[daredelvis]

Have you any idea just how much help by countries familiar with oil rig accidents and clean-up (with equipment superior to BP) has been turned down by this administration throughout the duration of this crisis? I have yet to hear why this is so beyond mere conjecture.

No, why don't you enlighten us?

Daredelvis

 

[Newtons Bit]

That's an entirely separate issue from the Jones Act restrictions, though.

That press release you linked to earlier was from the 15th of June. There's no telling if other ships or companies were told not to try because of it. The fact that the expedited waiver thingamajig was set up just a couple of days ago is in fact a sign that there was a problem with it beforehand.

 

[Just thinking]

No, why don't you enlighten us?

Daredelvis

OK ... tip of the iceberg.

 

[Shalamar]

OK ... tip of the iceberg.

Looks like, according to the article, that the state department has accepted many offers of help, but its the Coast Guard and BP that make the final choice on who actually will be assisting them in the cleanup, and have only allowed two to assist at this time.

I suppose President Obama could demand and dictate that all offers would be allowed to assist, regardless of what the Coast Guard and BP suggest. Has there been any reasons on why only two nations have been allowed to assist with the cleanup?

 

[daredelvis]

I'm really happy to see the situational outrage displayed by the resident wingers, and libertarians to the knock that the retirees might have to take if BP suspends its dividend payment. It is nice to see that all of their preaching about personal responsibility, and the invisible hand of the free market*, is not worth the pixels they are written on if it influences share price, or provides an opportunity to bash Obama.

*This is the free market at work. BP investors chose[\b] to invest in a company that is involved in a high risk, high reward industry and a company that has a track record of letting the bean counters interfere with maintenance, and worker safety.

I don't want to see BP pushed out of business, but I sure do want to see them live up to their obligations. They did not make a profit this year, therefore they should not pay a dividend.

Daredelvis

 

[Cicero]

oh wow, you have pulled a handful of misspeaks out of your behind. I suspect we could find many more for almost ANY politician.

You were not aware of your idol's predilection for dopey remarks? Perhaps you thought they were hiding in someone's posterior? Any politician? How many of them possess those virtues, "charisma, intelligence, well educated, and a thinker," that you associate with POTUS Obama? These "misspeaks" are just a sample of what he says in public. Who knows what inane remarks he makes in private.

So why do you hate him?

TAM

I certainly don't. Is that your impression of anyone who doesn't share your experience of a thrill going up your leg when Obama speaks?