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Score one for Obama.

Obama should've stopped the oil from reaching the shores by using his magic powers to conjure up barriers from thin air.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Obama should've stopped the oil from reaching the shores by using his magic powers to conjure up barriers from thin air.
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Or he could have bought a bunch from Pakgen, a Maine company that manufactures oil boom which ramped up production when the leak started, but have been sitting on their inventory (and not running at full capacity) since because neither BP nor the administration was buying it.

But hey, if he can conjure the stuff, that'd work too. I'm really not picky.
 
bynmdsue said:
How about keeping the oil from reaching the shore?That too much to ask of the Jug-Eared Incompetant?
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I love it when small government advocates (I'm assuming here; correct me if I'm wrong) criticize the government for not being omnipotent.

thaiboxerken said:
Obama should've stopped the oil from reaching the shores by using his magic powers to conjure up barriers from thin air.
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Exactly.

Ziggurat said:
Or he could have bought a bunch from Pakgen, a Maine company that manufactures oil boom which ramped up production when the leak started, but have been sitting on their inventory (and not running at full capacity) since because neither BP nor the administration was buying it.
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When I google Pakgen boom I get a couple of fact-challenged right-wing blogs (with good old HotAir on top) followed by your post. Color me unimpressed.

And I was even less impressed when I read that Pakgen's boom failed to meet standards. Now I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know about something that I spent a whopping 30 seconds googling. But at least I learned enough not to assign any weight to your commentary.
 
TheChadd said:
Yeah, he should have just ate them all with his magic presidential powers.
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Actually, that's not too far off the mark, as he could have suspended the Jones Act (using those magic powers you just mentioned) and allowed many foreign vessels into the region to assist in recovery. It's not like they weren't willing to help.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
If I were the CEO of BP and I thought that the Obama administration was thinking this, I would have told them to go jump off a cliff. What motivation would a company have to be nice and play ball if the end result, seizure and corporate oblivion, would still be the same?

Hopefully, Obama and his people are something more than mindlessly inflexible Marxist ideologues and they won't give future companies an excuse to refuse to cooperate with authorities when they screw up.
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It was more then just an accident though SOT. They drilled at depths they had NO PLAN for if something went wrong. That is negligence IMO. As a result, their payment for such a thing must reflect more then just compensation for "an accident", but rather also include penalty payment for that negligence and the financial (and other) hardship it has caused.

I also love the monday morning quarterbacking of the presidency that average US citizens love to play...definitely enlightening.

TAM:)
 
bynmdsue said:
How about keeping the oil from reaching the shore?That too much to ask of the Jug-Eared Incompetant?
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The fact that his actions (or perhaps it is just your hatred) has reduced you to childlike name calling is very telling.

TAM:)
 
Just thinking said:
Actually, that's not too far off the mark, as he could have suspended the Jones Act (using those magic powers you just mentioned) and allowed many foreign vessels into the region to assist in recovery. It's not like they weren't willing to help.
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There are already a bunch of foreign vessels assisting in cleanup in the Gulf, and Admiral Thad Allen has stated that the Jones Act didn't apply to them (and that if any Jones Act waivers are needed for any foreign vessels operating in the Gulf as part of cleanup efforts, that they will be expedited).

Official press release on the subject.
 
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ANTPogo said:
There are already a bunch of foreign vessels assisting in cleanup in the Gulf, and Admiral Thad Allen has stated that the Jones Act didn't apply to them (and that if any Jones Act waivers are needed for any foreign vessels operating in the Gulf as part of cleanup efforts, that they will be expedited).
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It's still only 15 ships ... and as you have noted, waivers of the JA are endorsed by Admiral Allen as well.
 
Drysdale said:
Soo, all those retirees that may have invested in BP and may depend on them are gonna have to pay huh?

Way to sock it to em big O.
Let them eat dog food and see how they like it...booyah.
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That is the nature of the stock market. If they need security they should put there money elsewhere. I am not being cold this is coming from someone who knows what it is like to lose a fortune in the stock and bond market.

I doubt if very many senior citizens put there money into stock for dividend income any more.
year ago I would do taxes for older people and they would have a list of 20 or 30 stocks with dividend income. Now it is almost always dividends from funds.
 
Drysdale said:
Soo, all those retirees that may have invested in BP and may depend on them are gonna have to pay huh?

Way to sock it to em big O.
Let them eat dog food and see how they like it...booyah.
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Investors in BP knew they took risk when investing in the stock, just like any investment. You win, you lose. I don't know why they should be inoculated against losing. Doesn't sound like capitalism to me.

Who should pay other than BP? What happened to personal responsibility? I guess that is yet another conservative principle that is disappeared when it is no longer convenient.
 
Just thinking said:
It's still only 15 ships ... and as you have noted, waivers of the JA are endorsed by Admiral Allen as well.
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Individual waivers, though, not a blanket suspension of the Act. And the fact that 15 ships are already operating waiverless, and no individual waivers have as yet been issued, implies that the bottleneck in terms of allowing foreign ships to help with the cleanup is not that they're being prevented from helping in the Gulf by the terms of the Jones Act, but that there simply aren't enough foreign vessels that exist (EDIT: Or are willing and/or able to be offered by their owning governments for this particular purpose) that are capable of providing useful assistance.

You can't just grab any old boat and expect it to be of use in cleaning up the oil spill, after all.
 
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Lurker said:
Investors in BP knew they took risk when investing in the stock, just like any investment. You win, you lose. I don't know why they should be inoculated against losing. Doesn't sound like capitalism to me.
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That's how disaster capitalism works. (And that seems to be what we are moving toward more every day.) They assume the profit, we eat the screw-ups.

The investor class keeps shrieking about how they should be rewqarded for being "risk-takers and job-makers."

Mega bull flops. Let those risk takers accept it when they get spanked by the cruel hand of fate. The shrimpers and oysterment did not assume any risk, they consented to no risk, they gave no orders to take criminally negligent risks.

They were happy with their lives on the water. There is no reason that they should have to suffer the slightest so that criminally negligent, callous, depraved twits like Ptomaine Tony can have a nice retirement.

The average person who has any interest in a major corporation, at least in the USA, has such a small stake in it, that it will hardly make a hamburger-or-cat-food difference in their retirement, unless they have one dumber-than-a-plastic-hibachi financial advisor.

To someone like Ptomaine Tony, i am sure it would mean having to sell off a jet or a yacht or a summer home or a prize racehorse or a few sacrifices like that.

Yeah, my heart bleeds for them schmuck.:rolleyes:
 
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Drysdale said:
Soo, all those retirees that may have invested in BP and may depend on them are gonna have to pay huh?

Way to sock it to em big O.
Let them eat dog food and see how they like it...booyah.
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I'm sure the smart ones didn't put all of their eggs in that basket.
 
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