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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

I'm desperate for nothing.

A constant refrain of the Evolutionarily Faithful is that to disagree is to not understand because, of course, there can be no legitimate dissent from the orthodoxy. To not believe can only be to not understand.

So is my understanding that the bible commands all women be violently murdered and mandatory gay marriage for all men legitimate? I mean, the biblical faithful may say I just don't know what it actually says, but it must be far more likely that they are just trying to quell dissent, right?
 
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It was a very hot day and I wanted to get out of there early ... I planed on having some fun that day.

Now see what I am doing with a gutter spike?
You do the same with a screw driver as you insert this last piece of vinyl . .. and I got frustrated and I tried and tried I seemed to get more frustrated ...

I actually ruined that last piece of J channel and had to replace it ...still wouldn’t go in ... so I was getting more frustrated.

... it’s hardened steel shank started to act like rubber and looked more like a liquid as I pried down...bent to a 70 degree angel, by vinyl and aluminum...really loud in frustration...

... the drywall guy ...he did retrieve it for me and bent it back by stepping on one end of it and pulling upward on the other end to help me out, he took some of the bend out but couldn’t make it totally straight ...

.. on many occasions I used it as a chisel with no problem.

The interaction of those two materials on that driver are too flimsy to bend hardened steel...it turned to a rubber like material that resembled metal reminded my of mercury but a little more stiff.

I think this is a fair summary. No one can know what you experienced, but it sounds like you bent a screwdriver, the drywall guy bent it back, and you were very hot and frustrated.

The metal turning to "rubber" just cannot have happened. Tools made for prying aren't usually "hardened".
Don't you think the drywall guy would have been impressed that you could have bent a "hardened steel" driver and slightly dumbfounded that he could unbend it?

Did you save the tool?
 
A constant refrain of the Evolutionarily Faithful is that to disagree is to not understand because, of course, there can be no legitimate dissent from the orthodoxy. To not believe can only be to not understand.
Pot, kettle, black.
 
I'm desperate for nothing.

A constant refrain of the Evolutionarily Faithful is that to disagree is to not understand because, of course, there can be no legitimate dissent from the orthodoxy. To not believe can only be to not understand.

No, it's because the most vocal critics of evolution theory seem to understand it the least.
 
Pot, kettle, black.

As usual, not true.

I have never once, not even once, said anything close to resembling that those who reject Christ do so because they do not understand. In fact, what I have said is that it is primarily a question of the heart and will, not intellect or understanding.

But your animus toward my perspective, and therefore me, governs.

Stick your kettle..
 
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Do you yet have an assumption, speculation or leap of faith that we could discuss?

In order to prevent you from now asking this question repeatedly ad nauseum I ask,
can you read?

My very point was if you believers can recognize any of those things,
and then specifically said "No, I would not."

Got it yet?
 

Well; 154 was attacking the theory of evolution on the assumptions and suppositions it had to make. Considering his favourite alternative made inifinitelly more and bigger such assumptions and suppositions; it was rather self-defeating of him and I pointed that out...

I you want to expand the point, yes, you will have to mention Occam's rather as Pax did (the actual Occam's rather not its popular misrepresentation).

For example, if I forget to look my door and, when I come back, both my wallets and cell-phone have disappeared, I will assume one person came in and stole it. I won't assume two independant thieves, one taking the wallet and the other the phone (not multiplying the entities).
-I won't assume that my wallet and cell-phone simply dissolved into nothingness on their own. After all, we know that thieves exist but we don't know of any mechanism for such objects to spontaneously dissolve. Supposing such a mechanism would be creating a new 'entity'.
-Similarly, if it is my fridge or washer-dried that goes away, I will, this time assume to thieves rather than just one super-strong one. After all, we know that thieves roam the world and it is small effort to imagine a second example of an accepted concept. On the other hand, a super-strong thief that can carry such a heavy object on his own would be quite a strong assumption.

Using or extending known phenomena will always be a more parsimonious solution to assuming entirely new and unknown ones...
If the thief came through my window, I would look for a ladder, a rope or something as we know they exist and function, and will always be a better alternative to the idea that the thief just flew through my window.
In the presence of such a parsimonious explanation, the less parsimonious explanation should be considered less likely and unnecessary.

So, as long as an explanation exist that can account for a phenomenon through naturalistic physical means (that we know for a fact exist), the alternative supernatural explanation is unnecessary...
 
So 154, if you understand evolutionary theory, then specifically what about it do you reject?
 
I think this is a fair summary. No one can know what you experienced, but it sounds like you bent a screwdriver, the drywall guy bent it back, and you were very hot and frustrated.

Tools made for prying aren't usually "hardened".
Don't you think the drywall guy would have been impressed that you could have bent a "hardened steel" driver and slightly dumbfounded that he could unbend it?

Did you save the tool?

It wasn't meant for prying, how could I explain this to you?

I'll try.

It was perfect for Mechanics and I had it in my tool belt for taking down electrical light fixtures and such.

What was going on is that chisels for some reason would fall out of my tool belt and I would have to walk around and waste time looking for them,
so I would use the driver when that happened and find the chisel later when I had to walk back to the truck for whatever reasons.

The upper part of that J channel is about an inch longer than the bottom so that you could screw into wood like a truss except that there wasn't one there,
so like my porch in that picture it was screwed into the wall in my ceiling the beam, this makes it more flimsy than it should be and more delicate.

That was the reason I replaced it once, if you are applying to much force, it destroys the J which is what is expected.

This is what happened once during the application as I explained I destroyed the J that is what is expected.

All I was doing was sliding it back and forth sideways to open up a slight gap like the picture shows.

The metal turning to "rubber" just cannot have happened.
It did and I should have said rubber like.

Just like you said it couldn't but it did. I dropped it because it freaked me out.
To do what it did it should have been hot and by that hot enough to burn you if you weren’t careful.
What I realized after it happened and I dropped it that it wasn’t, because the drywall guy picked it right up and wasn’t affected by any heat.

To get it to be pliable to the point I seen would have required a application of flame by a torch or one of those small tank torches that sweat copper together.



There's no way that a thin piece of aluminum J channel could have held up my weight and pressure with out breaking and bending open long before bending could happen.

Even if I put that particular driver or one like it in a vise and applied pressure to bend it, it would not have acted like that and I doubt I could have bent it so extremely, it probably would snap long before I could reach the point of angle that it did.

I may even make a clip/movie to demonstrate that and probably if I can’t bend it will show you how it looked using a torch on it at the shop.

but it sounds like you bent a screwdriver, the drywall guy bent it back,
He tried but just bent it back just enough to make it somewhat usable, and I did save it but lost it as I changed trucks out moving tools onto the new truck,
somewhere I lost track of it, I did keep it for a while.

The only way I can get you to understand what I was doing is to demonstrate on my porch ceiling by making a movie.

And I agree with you there’s no way in the world that it could have happened, but it did.

This is a phenomenon that I never believed possible but now, I have to change my mind… at that time I did.

I’ll give you all the factors and information that where going through my mind at the time, as I go through this my memory is coming back to me.

I’ll post this now and write about that when I post a movie, so you can see and understand that we do not know everything about the world and the forces that are in this world or the universe.

One more thing, the metal wasn’t grounded to the earth so I believe that this force was from my mind, I know it sounds crazy but I have no other explanation.
This will take some time.
 
In order to prevent you from now asking this question repeatedly ad nauseum I ask,
can you read?

My very point was if you believers can recognize any of those things,
and then specifically said "No, I would not."

Got it yet?

Clearly I can read because I noted your reference to speculations,assumptions and leaps of faith.
Apparently you just made that up, since there actually weren't any.
 
Well; 154 was attacking the theory of evolution on the assumptions and suppositions it had to make. Considering his favourite alternative made inifinitelly more and bigger such assumptions and suppositions; it was rather self-defeating of him and I pointed that out...

"Self-defeating"? Nonsense.

How many more times must I proclaim that BOTH our positions ultimately rest upon faith- that is confident belief without absolute knowledge.

I admit it freely. You all have the greatest difficulty recognizing or admitting the simple truth.

Clearly I can read because I noted your reference to speculations,assumptions and leaps of faith.
Apparently you just made that up, since there actually weren't any.
Thanks for pointing out the rhetorically obvious...

And in other words, you cannot recognize or admit any such things. You are extremely faithful. Perhaps you could be an inquisitor someday?
 
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You know, sometimes I think Im actually following your trail of stupid Edge, and then you throw in something like this which makes absolutely no sense, and I realise that I havent been following you at all.

Really?
Acually I am trying to make you understand or I wouldn't invest so much of my time, I would suggest you re-read and watch.
 
I love it when people compare science to religion. It's like comparing a sail to an anchor.
As usual, not true.
Really now? So no one in Christianity has ever gotten into trouble for questioning church doctrine?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1130/1415837446_674650d2b4.jpg :rolleyes:

If (and that's a huge if) science was an organized religion and its theories and laws were taken on faith and not supposed to be questioned... then all you would have demonstrated would be that the ToE was on par with organized Christianity, in which you sit in a pew and have some guy in a priest's robe tell you what to believe, for then to receive higher praise the more the more you blindly believe stuff just because you're supposed to.

Priests get excommunicated or otherwise thrown out of churches for going against doctrine all the time. Scientists getting sacked for coming up with new theories that they have good evidence for? That's just ridiculous.

I have never once, not even once, said anything close to resembling that those who reject Christ do so because they do not understand. In fact, what I have said is that it is primarily a question of the heart and will, not intellect or understanding.
On the contrary, this is pretty much exactly what you're accusing us of doing. "You don't follow Christ? Well, then you must have a closed mind" (strawman). Is that really any better?
 
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Because he's not civil and polite!!!!!

The double standards are obscene, i.e. see every post from paximperium to me and then tell me about civil and polite.

Hypocrite!

This is true where is rule 0?
 

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