100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

[Belz...]

No it doesn't. I often point out that when science tries to explain the Bible it misses the mark because it doesn't know the Bible.

When science says the darkening of the sun in the book of Revelation is an eclipse I point out that in the Hebrew scriptures the darkening of the sun was metaphorical for God's anger. When it says that stars falling to earth is meant to be asteroids I point out that in the Hebrew scriptures it symbolized social and political upheaval.

When science says that Moses parting of the Red Sea was a tsunami by putting Moses somewhere he wasn't I correct it.

A good understanding of the Bible allows this, a good understanding of 'science' apparently doesn't provide an intelligent response to Dr. Hovind's points, or have I missed something?

"Science" doesn't say any of those things. Now you are confusing science with scientists and other people.

Once more, please educate yourself about what science is and how it works before drawing wild conclusions about it.

 

[paximperium]

I am ONLY here because that is not even remotely true.

Sorry, since you are one of the most vile and ignorant Creaotards around; your actions prove how stupid your beliefs are.

This is evidence that you want people to think your beliefs are stupid and one must conclude that you want others to burn in your imaginary hell by driving them away.

Of course not.

When evolutionary theory is so-distilled down to the irreducible
it is obviously so absurd that no one, even you God-haters, can accept it.

I'm sorry. Did you have an actual criticism of evolution?

Any criticism that is not based on your ignorance and retarded uneducated delusion that you call evolution would be nice.

 

[zooterkin]

There's been about six pages of posts since I last posted in this thread earlier today, and I don't feel like reading through all the usual bickering.

Can someone point me to where, specifically, David Henson provided a concrete definition of what he means by "kind"?

Nowhere; in fact, he's been quiet for most, if not all (I can't be bothered to check), of those pages.

I think that in order to have a productive conversation with him, we have to have the answer to this question - otherwise, we'll all just be spinning our wheels.

Indeed. That's partly why I asked if he considered lions and tigers to be the same kind.

Thanks in advance.

You're welcome.

 

[paximperium]

There's been about six pages of posts since I last posted in this thread earlier today, and I don't feel like reading through all the usual bickering.

Can someone point me to where, specifically, David Henson provided a concrete definition of what he means by "kind"? I think that in order to have a productive conversation with him, we have to have the answer to this question - otherwise, we'll all just be spinning our wheels.

Thanks in advance.

A Biblical kind is the divisions life forms which allows for cross fertility within its own limits. The boundary between kinds is drawn where fertilization is no longer allowed. Dogs make dogs, not cats.

Try this on.

 

[Belz...]

Dogs make dogs.

Considering how different a dog you can get after just a few generations, something I'm sure you agree with, unless you deny that breeding is impossible, it's hard to believe that you don't believe that such enormous changes result in species that simply can no longer breed with one another.

In fact, it's hard to believe that you could claim such a thing since we have OBSERVED new species being "born". So what we have here is a flat-out denial of observed facts by you.

That's counter-productive. You should seek to learn from people who know this stuff, instead of doing everything in your power to deride them; either for your personal pleasure or because you are too emotionally invested in your beliefs to allow any kind of change to them.

 

[Belz...]

So you can trace your ancestry back to a fish? Sounds like sci fi or fantasy to me.

Again, that's simply ignorance talking.

Why, oh why, do ignorant people like you come here to exchange witty comments instead of actually reading on the subject ?

I used to "laugh" at relativity because I thought it was stupid. I thought so because I didn't understand it; but seeing how it was accepted by the scientific community at large convinced me to look into it and, lo and behold, after reading about its mechanics and the evidence in its favour, I had no choice but to accept its reality.

That's what being a skeptic is all about. You need to challenge your own beliefs.

 

[Belz...]

That is EXACTLY what Evolution dictates and believes in great faith. Random chance is accident, even if YOU can't deal with the intellectual absurdity YOU swallow whole.

But evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.

Please try to understand this. In fact, let me help you:

Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.

 

[zooterkin]

Try this on.

Ah, right, the next post but one after MattusMaximus's previous post?

He did answer after all, but with a not very useful definition. You could argue that what he produced was not a concrete definition; it's not grammatical, for a start.

Are lions and tigers the same 'kind'?

 

[Belz...]

Says you.

No. Says everybody.

The processes involved in evolution are NOT the same involved in abiogenesis at all, so it's silly to speak of the two as though they were one and the same.

Of course, I don't expect you to learn and remember this.

 

[Belz...]

GOD

I'm sorry, invisible sky-daddies with fairy-tale attributes and psychotic demeanors don't count as scientific alternatives.

 

[Belz...]

I can OBSERVE the action evidencing gravity all the time, every time, at the drop of a hat, literally.

Beyond the variety WITHIN species of micro-evolution, no one has ever observed macro-evolution, anywhere ever, yet it is accepted by some most willingly.

Now, there's an interesting claim.

What is your understanding and interpretation of the fossil record, then ?

 

[Belz...]

a dog never yields anything but another dog, be it Mastiff or Chihuahua.

And yet the two are so incredibly different that if you didn't know better you'd swear they were different species. Wrong example, bucko.

You did not come from a rock by accident.

Indeed. On this we all agree.

There is a God that you are answerable to.

Again, which one ?

He is not your enemy unless you make Him so.

Threats are useless in science.

 

[DC]

Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.

isnt it partially? are the mutations not random? their survival is sure not random, in general.

 

[Belz...]

isnt it partially? are the mutations not random? their survival is sure not random, in general.

Depends what you mean by "random". In the broadest sense of the word, sure, mutations are random, but they aren't what's driving evolution.

Of course, in the strictest sense, mutations aren't random either, but I suppose that's not very relevant.

 

[devnull]

But evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.

Please try to understand this. In fact, let me help you:

Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.
Evolution is NOT ABOUT random chance.

But..... what are you trying to say? That evolution is all about random chance?




<runs!>

 

[Rogue1stclass]

Wait.

You mean that guy who opened that lame dinosaur park (illegally, I might add) right next to the Christian elementary school in my hometown? Yeah, turns out that he was the worst kind of religious con man, preying on the faithful and tricking the non-believers. All of this stuff, his park, his Creation Science Evangalism, his "science", all of it was actually all about getting and holding onto as much money as possible. When he finally got busted, he exploded into a bunch of paranoid nonsense, to the point of renouncing his citizenship and going all Freeman on the Land.

That didn't really work out for him.

Sad thing is, I knew the guy who made the models for his museum. He was a really nice guy who my friend did wargame demos with at a hobby shop. I never got to play against him, though, because he wouldn't play Warhammer because the fantasy elements were, in his mind, Satanic. Shame, because my poor Skaven have sat in a tackle box, unchalleged, for years now.

I think he did the models for free....

 

[Filippo Lippi]

I'd do models for free *le sigh*

What are we talking about?

 

[Sledge]

Someone should put a stop to such goings on!

Won't SOMEBODY think of the children?

No, not you, Father O'Malley. And put that away.

 

[X]

A Biblical kind is the divisions life forms which allows for cross fertility within its own limits. The boundary between kinds is drawn where fertilization is no longer allowed. Dogs make dogs, not cats.

Try this on.

I believe ring species have been mentioned.
At which point you undeniably have animals sharing a (sometimes still extant) common ancestor, but which cannot interbreed.
Hence, they are different "kinds", according to the definition David Henson has provided.
Yet they have a common ancestor.


What was the word we used to describe that again? I can't recall...

ETA: 154, if you can't be bothered to learn (as is obviously the case judging by your rather curt response to my earlier post), why are you here? This is a forum for education, not a pedestal for preaching.

 

[paximperium]

IETA: 154, if you can't be bothered to learn (as is obviously the case judging by your rather curt response to my earlier post), why are you here? This is a forum for education, not a pedestal for preaching.

He's here to do the work of his imaginary god; Satan.

He's here to purposefully make Christianity look so unbelievably stupid and ignorant that people will turn away from it and burn in the hell that he gleefully believes in.