Examples of U.S. Soverign Citizen (Freeman on the Land) Failures

[Bluekush623]

Fair enough. Now explain why reaping the benefits of living within a society should not constitute consent to be governed by its rules.

reaping what benefits?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

reaping what benefits?

Security, for one.

 

[Bluekush623]

So how can you claim that FOTL is a cure for the current system while simultaneously claiming that it is already part of the current system?

Is this like Schrödinger's cat?

because it is the foundation of the system that has become infected and corrupted.

 

[Sledge]

http://www.teachingandlearningresources.co.uk/homophones3.shtml

 

[JimBenArm]

do you even understand the difference between mala in se and mala prohibitum?
Until you do i would stop posting your opinions.

Why? Your posts show you don't know the difference, yet it hasn't slowed you down.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

I think I'm going to steal BlueKush's computer.

And I'm not going to feel like giving it back either.

I won't consent to any attempt to him retreiving it either, or acknowledge the legitimacy of any law that says I have to return it to him.

I should be allowed to consent only with my own personal code, which permits me to keep things I retain through force of arms.

 

[kerikiwi]

Your understanding of law is complete rubbish.

Can you cite which law says you have the option of obeying laws?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Mala in Se: The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct or consent.

so what do you consider inherently wrong by nature? do all people consider the same things to be wrong by nature? if not, how is it inherently wrong?

for example, theft. if you look at nature you see stronger animals taking things from weaker ones all the time. also, theft implies ownership, native americans may feel ownership is not natural.

how about murder, animals kill each other all the time, mostly for food, but sometimes for territorial concerns. is it ok to kill someone as long as you eat them afterward?

no one born in america has consented to live here. your tacit consent holds no water.

i was born in america, i have had several opportunities to move to another country and obtain foreign citizenship, i have not done so because i prefer (and consent) to live in america

 

[kerikiwi]

Because they are only man made laws that need consent too be enforced.

You can not tell someone how to live their life if they live peacefully and do not enforce their will upon others.

It is really as simple as that.

Actually it is not as simple as that.
By 'you' I presume you, Bluekush, mean people who make laws.
So, yes, people who make laws can and do tell people how to live their lives, even if they live their lives peacefully and do not enforce their will on others.
Whether they (the lawmakers) should do that is another question.
Man made laws (there are no other kind) do not need the individual consent of each person subject to those laws in order to be enforced. They need the collective consent.
You might wish that your individual consent were required, but wishing ain't reality.

What would be your position if someone attacked you and perhaps permanently disabled you? Would you think that person should avoid the legal consequences by refusing to consent? After all, it is a man made law which says people cannot attack other people.

 

[TSR]

Please, let us not carry on to long.

.
Whether, whether, whether, whether
Whether you like it or not
Weather, weather, weather, weather
Weather is cold, warm and hot.

Two, two, two, two
Two of my favorite toys
I'm bringing to, to, to, to
A place the first one enjoys…
and I like it, too!

Homophones! Homophones!
Where the crews come cruising down the plane!
Homophones! Homophones!
I need my kneaded biscuits plain!



ummmm. I've mentioned the 5 year old before, haven't I?
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[gtm]

No this is just JREF's false interpretation.

So what do Freemen do aside from Court room theatrics & bust ups with Policemen / local government officialdom?

 

[gtm]

and your point is?

I'd have thought that was obvious. Selling substandard / adulterated goods to a consumer can (& does) result in injury.

 

[gtm]

Again, same answer. FOTL is a remedy to the current system.

It isn't a 'remedy' to the current system because FMOTL argument have time & time again been emphatically rejected by the courts & authorities across the anglophone world. it's about as effective a remedy as trying to cure cancer by shoving a onion up the patients bottom.

 

[Mojo]

I don't think even he knows precisely if he's talking in actuals or in hypotheticals.

He seems to be claiming that the court system is hypothetical:

No the problem is that the court system no longer operates in the real world.

 

[Mojo]

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or that of their representatives so elected
or that of their representatives so elected
or that of their representatives so elected

Just sayin

My bold.

I'll add "or" to the list of words you don't understand.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

So what do Freemen do aside from Court room theatrics & bust ups with Policemen / local government officialdom?

I'd imagine one could find them at your local gun show of choice peddling Myron Fagan, the Turner Diaries, and handing out literature for GoldLine.

 

[Ladewig]

Is not paying taxes a victimless crime?

 

[Sledge]

He seems to be claiming that the court system is hypothetical:

He's claiming both at the same time, and denying both at the same time. How anyone can suggest his posts could be the product of a drug-addled mind is beyond me.

 

[jargon buster]

Its either deliberate deception or alzhiemers that some of these freemen suffer from (or both)
Merlincove the moderator on David Ickes as just posted a video as proof of success which is clear proof of its failure once you know the story.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119454&page=8
It show Ray St Clair (Google him if you must) shouting a lot in court.
The actual case was as follows;
Council sought liability order against person.
liability order granted.

Thats a win apparently because they claim that the liability order was signed prior to the case taking place and as such was not a fair hearing.
What they fail to grasp even after being told on several occasions is that the time on the order is the time the case was scheduled to go ahead.

Merlincove is aware of all this information but is relying on new people seeing the video being unaware and as such perpetrate the myth.

I would post and correct him but Im banned
I will be addressing it on my blog later

JB

 

[Cuddles]

It wouldn't be much of a remedy if it made it worse, would it?!

Maybe it's a herbal remedy?