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Examples of U.S. Soverign Citizen (Freeman on the Land) Failures

Sledge said:
Then stop posting. Either get in the discussion or leave. Simply telling everyone that they're wrong but refusing to explain why isn't useful or interesting, it's pretty much just trolling. And bad trolling at that.

Well DUH!
Don't be silly.

What exists? The Constitution and DoI? That was never in dispute. Once again, I'm asking you to explain what relevance that has to the matter being discussed. I'm happy to read the two documents and debate them with you if you explain what their relevance is to the discussion.

Basically, you're not making any sense, and I don't think you understand what is being discussed here. Either that or your reading and writing skills are too poor to permit you to get your point across.
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I have explained myself countless number of times, you people just refuse too accept reality. And im not trolling, i trying too help actually help you guys.

the relevance is that the DOI and Constitution was not created by a omnipresence, omnipotent and omniscient god or government or the British empire.

it was created by FREEMAN who choose too live life how they seen fit. and not under the rule of anyone but themselves.

and this means if it was done ONCE it can be done AGAIN.

and thus proof of the freeman theory.
 
Hans said:
You seem to be making up stuff

No one in the newly formed US was a Freeman in the sense you seem to think - to those who wanted 'elbow room' went west.

There is no west now either you accept the US government or you are free to go and renounce your citizenship.

Oh, so your one of the special sect of Freeman who pays their debts? Good on ya, but how are we suppose to know? What is you sect called Freeman of the land - non-freeloader division?
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LoL, so the fascists get too bogart all the land? that's not freedom, so i guess you accept the reality of a government gone bad, right? not too mention land property is just an illusion up held by a gun.

And frankly it is JREF who has deemed the FOTL freeloaders.

You guys don't care too analyze anything you all just made broad assumptions and stereotypes and apply them too the group as a whole, because its woo.

seriously the accumulated intelligence here is worse then a 6 grade classroom.
 
Bluekush623 said:
I have explained myself countless number of times, you people just refuse too accept reality. And im not trolling, i trying too help actually help you guys. <snip>
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Ah, so you have no idea what's being discussed here. I really do suggest you run along at this point, you're making yourself look very silly.
 
how about you get too to the subject matter instead of continuing too to spew ad hominems in every reply too to myself?

not too to mention this is coming from someone named Elizabeth 1.
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who says i was trying to [yay! Very good. Maybe he can learn.] display wisdom? i was simply stating facts.

(maybe i am just that smart). :boxedin:
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I have explained myself countless number of times, you people just refuse too to accept reality. And im I'm not trolling, i I'm trying too to help actually help you guys.

the relevance is that the DOI and Constitution was not created by a omnipresence, omnipotent and omniscient god or government or the British empire.

it was created by FREEMAN who choose too to live life how they seen saw fit. and not under the rule of anyone but themselves.

and this means if it was done ONCE it can be done AGAIN.

and thus proof of the freeman theory.
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And here's evidence, if any were needed, that overindulgence in the magic weed clouds both thought and expression.

Why don't you sleep it off, then come back and re-read the thread and find out exactly whom posters are referring to when they speak of "Freemen on the Land"?
 
Elizabeth I said:
And here's evidence, if any were needed, that overindulgence in the magic weed clouds both thought and expression.

Why don't you sleep it off, then come back and re-read the thread and find out exactly whom posters are referring to when they speak of "Freemen on the Land"?
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more ad hominems? what if i have never even smoked in my life? where does your argument go from there? your assumptions/opinions are really discrediting your credibility.

and just for your information, internet forum grammar is the last of my worries as i barely proofread at all (only multiple paragraphs).

grammar Nazi's point out bad grammar because they have nothing else too discredit/attack their opponent with.

So in my book your arguments have now have less validity. just like the 3 other people who have pointed out my 2 minor grammar mistakes.
 
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This is what I love about FOTLers: You rarely have to say anything to them, they gleefully dig their own graves and debunk themselves if you let them go on long enough.
 
Bluekush623 said:
I know i dont know it all, the problem is you guys actually do think you know it all.
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I'll take that as a "no".

The Dunning-Kruger effect has absolutely nothing to do with believing you "know it all". It has everything to do with being so incompetent in a particular subject that you actually believe you are above average in that subject. It also describes the tendency to dismiss competence in others.

The fact that you so thoroughly misrepresent the FOTL movement itself—something you're actually defending and, therefore, should be expected to understand—tells me that you're awfully ignorant about this subject.
 
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Bluekush623 said:
I'm not here too educate everyone (thats your own job). Im not trying to avoid anyone.I just have better things too do then go point by point on how you guys are wrong.
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Fine. You don't have to educate everyone. You don't have to explain why it works. You don't have to explain how it works. You don't have to explain its origins, its value, its nobility or anything else.

ALL WE WANT IS EVIDENCE THAT IT WORKS. Simply provide a documented example of someone saying the FMOTL words in a court of law and subsequently having the case dismissed.

I've said it several times in this thread. The fastest way to get skeptics (including JREF skeptics) to shut up is provide reliable evidence.
 
Well gee BK623 so the creation of the US is an example of your type of FOTL (whichever type that is)

So you are saying you are in rebellion against the US government (as the colonies were against the British)

Is that correct?

You do realize that the people in the new United States:

Didn't individually consent (those who liked the King moved to Canada or New Orleans, etc) but after that no concept of individual 'consent' has ever been present in our political system.

Congress started almost immediately to create statutes (gasp)

Debts were paid

What in the startup of the US do you see a reflection of your version of FOTL.

Please explain
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I'll take that as a "no".

The Dunning-Kruger effect has absolutely nothing to do with believing you "know it all". It has everything to do with being so incompetent in a particular subject that you actually believe you are above average in that subject. It also describes the tendency to dismiss competence in others.

The fact that you so thoroughly misrepresent the FOTL movement itself—something you're actually defending and, therefore, should be expected to understand—tells me that you're awfully ignorant about this subject.
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It's not me who misrepresent the FOTL movement it is everyone here at JREF who does that, as i believe it has been dubbed something like Freeloaders on the land or whatever you guys call it.

Im still waiting for you guys too prove someone can not become free or sovereign. the only "real" issue is how its applied or done.

many FOTL are trying too go about this the civil way in court (without the fighting aspect because we have already done that). however with the system (government/courts) being so far dis attached from its origins it has been shown very difficult to do.

however this does not make it false/wrong or unattainable.
 
Bluekush623 said:
Im still waiting for you guys to prove someone can not become free or sovereign. the only "real" issue is how its applied or done.
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It is not our job to prove that someone cannot become sovereign. It is your job to prove that someone actually used the correct FOTL words to avoid debts or prosecution. Please provide evidence in the form of documented court cases that were dismissed because of FOTL claims made in open court.
 
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Bluekush623 said:
Im still waiting for you guys too prove someone can not become free or sovereign.
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"[...] negative evidence is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false [...]"
 
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