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Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

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Nogbad said:
Presumably there must be a verified available list otherwise how do agencies send anything to Gaza at all? Has anybody had any luck tracking it down?
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the only source they would accept says they will not release one, everyone else is suspected to be a liar. funny enough the numbers of delivered goods is not doubted which is based only on Israeli data.
 
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lionking said:
If this list was true we could probably have a debate about it.
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I doubt very much if a definitive list exists. My understanding is that the restrictions are quite arbitrary and most goods are sometimes stopped and sometimes let through. I would imagine that every item on all the boats would at times have been allowed in. In fact the israelis offered to allow all the contents of the ships to be allowed in as long as it was moved into their control and passed under their control.

This is about who controls the flow and not so much about the goods on the ships... their entire contents would be unlikely to be a significant amount.

I apologise for my previous snipey responses to your posts and in the light of the Mods understandable frustration surrounding this topic I'm sure we can all aim up a bit..
 
The Israeli attack on the Gaza freedom flotilla was an act of lethal stupidity. Lethal for its victims, stupid for Israel. It might be well, therefore, to remind the Jewish people of their own history.
Two years after World War II, a rustbucket American steamship renamed Exodus 1947 sailed from France with 4515 Jews on board. Most were Holocaust survivors, bound for a new life in the Promised Land, then the British Mandate of Palestine.
The British refused to accept them as immigrants and stopped the ship off the Palestine coast. Three people were killed when the Royal Navy boarded it by force and sailed it to the port of Haifa. The Exodus 1947 Jews were eventually sent back to occupied Germany, of all places.
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http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...o-learn-lessons-of-history-20100604-xkj2.html


The policy platform of Netanyahu's Likud party makes no bones about it.
''The government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan River,'' it reads. ''The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs.''
The blockade of Gaza is a human catastrophe. It has created a ghetto of despair for 1.5 million people. Just this week the International Committee of the Red Cross reported again that: "Gazans continue to suffer the effects of siege-induced poverty and warfare.
"The closure imposed on Gaza three years ago and the effects of Israel's military operation in the Strip in January 2009 are crippling the entire economy. Humanitarian aid alone cannot address the massive needs in Gaza, where civilians are paying the price of the blockade and ongoing hostilities."
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It is worth noting, the siege of gaza was imposed before hamas was elected.
 
i think the ban on certain goods should be lifted and the Israeli Government should release a list of banned goods, so those that want to send aid, know what is allowed in and what not.
 
lionking said:
Do you think the blockade should be lifted? Why? How would you prevent weapons coming in?
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I think their should be peace, with a two countries being the most just outcome. It is OK to impose a blockade on the Gazans, for the crimes of their extremists, but Israel has no blockade despite the neverending expansion of it's settlements. Likud is intent on creating an apartheid solution, with no self governing state being the result for the Palestinians.
 
Erdogan himself wants to break the blockade and at the same time Hurriyet publishes photos that allegedly shows Israeli soldiers taken as hostages during boarding action. Sounds like an interesting day in Turkey. *cough*
 
DC said:
correction:
Food aid / pers. / month : Berlin 20.3 kg / Gaza 19.6kg
Total aid / pers. / month: Berlin 83 kg / Gaza 37 kg
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I think the fuel requirements for Berlin would be much higher than for Gaza, simply due to differences in climate.
 
WildCat said:
I think the fuel requirements for Berlin would be much higher than for Gaza, simply due to differences in climate.
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yes indeed, also i think fuel and oil is more efficient than cole like in Berlin.
 
Two years after World War II, a rustbucket American steamship renamed Exodus 1947 sailed from France with 4515 Jews on board. Most were Holocaust survivors, bound for a new life in the Promised Land, then the British Mandate of Palestine.
The British refused to accept them as immigrants and stopped the ship off the Palestine coast. Three people were killed when the Royal Navy boarded it by force and sailed it to the port of Haifa. The Exodus 1947 Jews were eventually sent back to occupied Germany, of all places.
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What on earth does this have to do with the blockade running today:confusion:?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
What on earth does this have to do with the blockade running today:confusion:?
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Because turning away a shipload of refugees is exactly like breaking a blockade so Hamas can import better weapons from Iran and Syria to kill Jews.
 
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