Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[theprestige]

during the Berlin blockade the people of Berlin received about double of that per person.

Too bad Hamas can't get the same sympathy as the people of West Berlin. I wonder why. Could it be that Berlin government never swore destruction of the NATO members, and never sponsored rocket attacks and suicide bombers targeting NATO forces in West Germany?

 

[lionking]

Yeah, but you're talking about Germans. Those are stout people.

Duly nominated.

 

[DC]

Too bad Hamas can't get the same sympathy as the people of West Berlin. I wonder why. Could it be that Berlin government never swore destruction of the NATO members, and never sponsored rocket attacks and suicide bombers targeting NATO forces in West Germany?

I don't know how much sympathy the Germans had in 1948

 

[quixotecoyote]

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/airlift.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Luftbrücke
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the...li_humanitarian_lifeline_Gaza_25-May-2010.htm

did some calculations with the numbers from those sources.
for total and food only. both ends up in Berlin getting double.
population differences considered.

Interesting. I'm not doublechecking your numbers. but accepting them as true: If were were going to call all things being equal, we should expect to see the Gazans about half as well off as the Berliners during the airlift. Do you think that's what we're seeing?

There are several factors different, of course, but we can discuss those later.

 

[DC]

Interesting. I'm not doublechecking your numbers. but accepting them as true: If were were going to call all things being equal, we should expect to see the Gazans about half as well off as the Berliners during the airlift. Do you think that's what we're seeing?

There are several factors different, of course, but we can discuss those later.

no don't

just spotted an error i think, the food supply seems to be the same.

total is correct if i'm not mistaken

 

[DC]

http://www.spiritoffreedom.org/airlift.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Luftbrücke
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the...li_humanitarian_lifeline_Gaza_25-May-2010.htm

did some calculations with the numbers from those sources.
for total and food only. both ends up in Berlin getting double.
population differences considered.

correction:
Food aid / pers. / month : Berlin 20.3 kg / Gaza 19.6kg
Total aid / pers. / month: Berlin 83 kg / Gaza 37 kg

 

[DC]

can anyone download this?

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/...64C4F19A3B10/0/GazaHumanitarianAssist2009.pps

COGAT - Summary of humanitarian aid to Gaza 2009

 

[yairhol]

Pictures of beaten up soldiers by 'peace activists' on the flotilla ship:
http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

Use of firearms was called for by the Israeli soldiers when threatened by a lynch.

 

[yairhol]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899490,00.html

In an editorial article, the Washington Post highlighted Erdogan's ties with the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH), which has connections with terrorist organizations.

The article noted that the IHH "is a member of the 'Union of Good,' a coalition that was formed to provide material support to Hamas and that was named as a terrorist entity by the United States in 2008. In discussions before the flotilla departed, Turkish officials turned down offers from both Israel and Egypt to deliver the "humanitarian" supplies on the boats to Gaza and insisted Ankara could not control what it described as a nongovernmental organization

 

[PhantomWolf]

I managed to track down a list of prohibited non-food items. What do you think, should any western nation be blockading these items?

• Accumulators
• Adhesive paper
• Aluminium foil
• AM-FM receivers
• Ambulances
• Amplifiers
• Answering machines
• Armored cable
• Ashtrays
• Auto polish
• Axes
• Bags
• Baking soda
• Balls (for children, for sport)
• Baskets
• Bath brushes
• Batteries
• Battery chargers
• Beads
• Bearings
• Bed lamps
• Belts
• Benches
• Bicycles
• Books (all categories included)
• Bottles
• Bowls
• Boxes
• Brass
• Broilers
• Busses
• Calculators
• Cameras
• Candles
• Candlesticks
• Canvas
• Carpets
• Cars
• Carts
• Carving knives
• Cellophane
• Chairs
• Chalk
• Chess boards
• Chiffon
• Children's wear
• Chisels Clocks
• Cloth
• Chlorine
• Clutches
• Coats
• Coaxial cable
• Cogs
• Coils
• Colors for painting
• Combs
• Compressors (for cooling equipment)
• Computers and computer supplies
• Copper
• Cupboards
• Cups Desk lamps
• Desks
• Detergents
• Dictaphones
• Dishware
• Dishwashers
• Dolls
• Doorknobs
• Doormats
• Drawing knives
• Dresses
• Drills
• Dryers
• Dustcloths
• Dyes
• Dynamos
• Easels
• Electric cookers
• Electric cords
• Envelopes
• Eyeglasses
• Fabrics
• Fans
• Fax machines
• Fibers
• Files
• Filing cabinets
• Filing cards
• Films
• Filters
• Flashlights
• Flowerpots
• Forks
• Fountain pens
• Furniture polish
• Fuses
• Gas burners
• Gauges
• Generators
• Girdles
• Glass
• Glue
• Gowns
• Grills
• Grindstone
• Hairpins
• Hammers
• Handkerchiefs
• Hats
• Headlights
• Headphones
• Hearing aids
• Hedge trimmers
• Helmets
• Hoes
• Hooks
• Hookup wires
• Hoses
• Hydraulic jacks
• Ink
• Ink cartridges
• Insulator strips
• Interruptors
• Jackets
• Jacks
• Joints
• Jumpers
• Kettles
• Knives
• Lamp shades
• Lathes
• Lawn mowers
• Leather
• Levers
• Light bulbs
• Light meters
• Lime
• Magazines (including scientific and medical journals)
• Magnesium
• Magnets
• Masonite
• Mastic
• Matches
• Measurings equipment
• Mica
• Microfiche
• Microphones
• Microscopes
• Mirrors
• Mops
• Motorbikes
• Motors
• Mufflers
• Mugs
• Music cassettes
• Music CDs
• Musical instruments
• Nail brushes
• Nail files
• Napkins
• Notebooks
• Oil cans
• Oil gauges
• Oil lamps
• Oscillators
• Packaging materials
• Pails
• Painters' brushes
• Paints
• Pans
• Paper clips
• Paper for printing
• Paper for wrapping
• Paper for writing
• Pens
• Percolators
• Pesticides
• Photocopiers
• Photometers
• Pincers
• Pincettes
• Pins
• Plastics
• Plates
• Plexiglas
• Pliers
• Plugs
• Plywood
• Porcelain
• Pots
• Potties
• Press drills
• Pressure cookers
• Printing equipment
• Pulleys
• Putty
• Radiators for cars
• Razor blades
• Razors
• Reels
• Relays
• Riveters
• Roasters
• Rubber
• Rugs
• Rulers
• Sandals
• Sandpaper
• Saucers
• Saws
• Scales
• Scoreboards
• Screws
• Seals
• Seats
• Shampoo
• Sheers
• Shelves
• Shirts
• Shock absorbers
• Shoe polish
• Shoes
• Shoppint carts
• Shovels
• Silicon
• Silver polish
• Skirts
• Soap
• Soap pads
• Sockets
• Socks
• Solder
• Soldering irons
• Spark plugs
• Spatulas
• Sponges
• Spoons
• Stamps
• Staplers
• Starters
• Stoves
• Straps
• Suits
• Sun hats
• Swimming suits
• Switches
• Tables
• Tacks
• Tags
• Telephone cables
• Telephones
• Tents
• Thermomethers
• Threads
• Timber
• Timers
• Tin
• Tire pumps
• Tissue paper
• Toasters
• Toilet paper (not considered medicines)
• Tongs
• Toothbrushes
• Toothpicks
• Towels
• Toys
• Tractors
• Transformers
• Trash cans
• Tripods
• Troughs
• Trousers
• Trowels
• Trucks
• Trunks
• TV sets
• Typewriters
• Vacuum cleaners
• Valves
• Vans
• Vaseline
• Vases
• Venetian blinds
• Ventilators
• Videotapes
• Voltage regulators
• Waffle irons
• Wagons
• Wallets
• Wallpaper
• Washing machines
• Wastepaper baskets
• Watches
• Water pumps
• Wax
• Welders
• Wheelbarrows
• Wheels
• Window shades
• Wood
• Wool
• Wrenches
• Zoom lenses

 

[yairhol]

I managed to track down a list of prohibited non-food items. What do you think, should any western nation be blockading these items?

• Accumulators
• Adhesive paper
• Aluminium foil
• AM-FM receivers
• Ambulances
• Amplifiers
• Answering machines
• Armored cable
• Ashtrays
• Auto polish
• Axes
• Bags
• Baking soda
• Balls (for children, for sport)
• Baskets
• Bath brushes
• Batteries
• Battery chargers
• Beads
• Bearings
• Bed lamps
• Belts
• Benches
• Bicycles
• Books (all categories included)
• Bottles
• Bowls
• Boxes
• Brass
• Broilers
• Busses
• Calculators
• Cameras
• Candles
• Candlesticks
• Canvas
• Carpets
• Cars
• Carts
• Carving knives
• Cellophane
• Chairs
• Chalk
• Chess boards
• Chiffon
• Children's wear
• Chisels Clocks
• Cloth
• Chlorine
• Clutches
• Coats
• Coaxial cable
• Cogs
• Coils
• Colors for painting
• Combs
• Compressors (for cooling equipment)
• Computers and computer supplies
• Copper
• Cupboards
• Cups Desk lamps
• Desks
• Detergents
• Dictaphones
• Dishware
• Dishwashers
• Dolls
• Doorknobs
• Doormats
• Drawing knives
• Dresses
• Drills
• Dryers
• Dustcloths
• Dyes
• Dynamos
• Easels
• Electric cookers
• Electric cords
• Envelopes
• Eyeglasses
• Fabrics
• Fans
• Fax machines
• Fibers
• Files
• Filing cabinets
• Filing cards
• Films
• Filters
• Flashlights
• Flowerpots
• Forks
• Fountain pens
• Furniture polish
• Fuses
• Gas burners
• Gauges
• Generators
• Girdles
• Glass
• Glue
• Gowns
• Grills
• Grindstone
• Hairpins
• Hammers
• Handkerchiefs
• Hats
• Headlights
• Headphones
• Hearing aids
• Hedge trimmers
• Helmets
• Hoes
• Hooks
• Hookup wires
• Hoses
• Hydraulic jacks
• Ink
• Ink cartridges
• Insulator strips
• Interruptors
• Jackets
• Jacks
• Joints
• Jumpers
• Kettles
• Knives
• Lamp shades
• Lathes
• Lawn mowers
• Leather
• Levers
• Light bulbs
• Light meters
• Lime
• Magazines (including scientific and medical journals)
• Magnesium
• Magnets
• Masonite
• Mastic
• Matches
• Measurings equipment
• Mica
• Microfiche
• Microphones
• Microscopes
• Mirrors
• Mops
• Motorbikes
• Motors
• Mufflers
• Mugs
• Music cassettes
• Music CDs
• Musical instruments
• Nail brushes
• Nail files
• Napkins
• Notebooks
• Oil cans
• Oil gauges
• Oil lamps
• Oscillators
• Packaging materials
• Pails
• Painters' brushes
• Paints
• Pans
• Paper clips
• Paper for printing
• Paper for wrapping
• Paper for writing
• Pens
• Percolators
• Pesticides
• Photocopiers
• Photometers
• Pincers
• Pincettes
• Pins
• Plastics
• Plates
• Plexiglas
• Pliers
• Plugs
• Plywood
• Porcelain
• Pots
• Potties
• Press drills
• Pressure cookers
• Printing equipment
• Pulleys
• Putty
• Radiators for cars
• Razor blades
• Razors
• Reels
• Relays
• Riveters
• Roasters
• Rubber
• Rugs
• Rulers
• Sandals
• Sandpaper
• Saucers
• Saws
• Scales
• Scoreboards
• Screws
• Seals
• Seats
• Shampoo
• Sheers
• Shelves
• Shirts
• Shock absorbers
• Shoe polish
• Shoes
• Shoppint carts
• Shovels
• Silicon
• Silver polish
• Skirts
• Soap
• Soap pads
• Sockets
• Socks
• Solder
• Soldering irons
• Spark plugs
• Spatulas
• Sponges
• Spoons
• Stamps
• Staplers
• Starters
• Stoves
• Straps
• Suits
• Sun hats
• Swimming suits
• Switches
• Tables
• Tacks
• Tags
• Telephone cables
• Telephones
• Tents
• Thermomethers
• Threads
• Timber
• Timers
• Tin
• Tire pumps
• Tissue paper
• Toasters
• Toilet paper (not considered medicines)
• Tongs
• Toothbrushes
• Toothpicks
• Towels
• Toys
• Tractors
• Transformers
• Trash cans
• Tripods
• Troughs
• Trousers
• Trowels
• Trucks
• Trunks
• TV sets
• Typewriters
• Vacuum cleaners
• Valves
• Vans
• Vaseline
• Vases
• Venetian blinds
• Ventilators
• Videotapes
• Voltage regulators
• Waffle irons
• Wagons
• Wallets
• Wallpaper
• Washing machines
• Wastepaper baskets
• Watches
• Water pumps
• Wax
• Welders
• Wheelbarrows
• Wheels
• Window shades
• Wood
• Wool
• Wrenches
• Zoom lenses

source?

 

[lionking]

Clown costumes were somehow left out.

Seriously, even if this list is true, it still leaves a crapload of goods allowed to be brought in.

 

[a_unique_person]

Pictures of beaten up soldiers by 'peace activists' on the flotilla ship:
http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

Use of firearms was called for by the Israeli soldiers when threatened by a lynch.

People shot in the back of the head at close range?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/flotilla-dead-shot-at-close-range-autopsies-20100605-xlvs.html

 

[PhantomWolf]

source?

UN Documentation

 

[PhantomWolf]

People shot in the back of the head at close range?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/flotilla-dead-shot-at-close-range-autopsies-20100605-xlvs.html

If someone has a gun to your commanding officer's head, do you wait for him to turn around before shooting him in the head?

 

[a_unique_person]

If someone has a gun to your commanding officer's head, do you wait for him to turn around before shooting him in the head?

You are making that up.

 

[PhantomWolf]

You are making that up.

No, if you were actually reading the thread and the links, you'd find that one of the IDF soldiers testified that he only pulled his pistol and fired because he saw that his CO had been knocked to the ground, his sidearm taken from him, and that the activist was standing over him with the weapon pointed at the CO's head. So question. Would you wait for the guy to fire or turn around before you fired?

 

[Nogbad]

Clown costumes were somehow left out.

Seriously, even if this list is true, it still leaves a crapload of goods allowed to be brought in.

If the list is true what would be your favoured replacement for light bulbs? Cheese?

I'm majorly surprised clown outfits aren't on the list - one of the things I would ban everywhere *shiver*

 

[lionking]

If this list was true we could probably have a debate about it.

 

[Nogbad]

If this list was true we could probably have a debate about it.

Presumably there must be a verified available list otherwise how do agencies send anything to Gaza at all? Has anybody had any luck tracking it down?