Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[Thunder]

Only an anti-Semite would not trust an internal IDF investigation into the matter.

 

[DreadNiK]

oh come on, didn't you find it a little funny?

you know you did. its ok to admit it. seeing those schmucks lowering themselves down into the crowd. what is wrong with them?

i too would have beat those fools with a stick...if they came on my boat.

Is it in poor taste to suggest you put your money where your mouth is and join the next flotilla?

 

[bigjelmapro]

and the videos not show everything, i think an independent investigation would be helpfull.

I agree. I do wonder how 'independent' this would be. I hope it wouldn't involve a Goldstone-like team.

with the moral point I meant the blockade itself.

I'm not relishing the concept of a blockade on Gaza. I do, however, think its a necessary avenue (and quite frankly, don't know of many others to pursue) judging by who is in power, what their stated intentions are, the acts they've committed, and their plans for the future.

 

[WildCat]

i too would have beat those fools with a stick...if they came on my boat.

There's another boat leaving soon, will you be on it?

 

[Thunder]

It doesn't matter if they're Muslim, Jewish, Christian, agnostic, Republican, Maoist, pacifist, or whatever; everyone just wants to kill all the Jews.

um.....are you saying they don't?

are you suggesting supporting Palestinian and Israeli-Arab civil rights does NOT equal wanting to genocide the Jews?

 

[Thunder]

There's another boat leaving soon, will you be on it?

if the IDF comes on my boat, I'll beat them senseless with my baton.

 

[WildCat]

if the IDF comes on my boat, I'll beat them senseless with my baton.

Will you be on the next boat Thunder?

 

[DreadNiK]

if the IDF comes on my boat, I'll beat them senseless with my baton.

signature material right here folks

 

[Cleon]

Will you be on the next boat Thunder?

What a silly question. Are you about to join the IDF?

 

[bigjelmapro]

There's another boat leaving soon, will you be on it?

Well, if that happens, I'll be sure to call in early for my reservist duty this year

 

[carlitos]

What a silly question. Are you about to join the IDF?

It would be a silly question, if parky wasn't posting his juvenile violence fantasies on this board. Again.

 

[Kotatsu]

Don't know too much about the rest, but AI, although they declaration states that they are politically neutral, they are far from it.

Hence my qualification in the original list that there were five organisations that were at least officially politically neutral. I apologise for omitting this qualification in the second list.

I've also been informed that the aim was never for the fleet to enter Israeli territorial waters, so that would have to be amended in my previous posts to "Palestinian territorial waters". Further, my friends informs me that there was yet another group present at the protest, but I can't remember them at all, and he can't remember their name. Initially, there were supposed to be 15, but now it seems like there were (at least) 18.

Incidentally, here is the Swedish Ship to Gaza homepage. It is partially in English, but feel free to ask me to translate parts that are not. Their front page states:

Ship to Gaza has three objectives:

1) The humanitarian objective is to provide the people of Gaza with means to rebuild.

2) The political objective is to re-establish international law. The current human catastrophe in Gaza does not come as a result of a tsunami or an earthquake; the catastrophe has been created through politics. We are not taking a stand in the internal conflicts in Palestine, but for international law and human rights.

3) The solidarity objective emphasizes that this is not about charity. We are convinced that Palestinians are capable of supporting themselves, provided they are not prevented from doing so.

 

[Skeptic]

Yeah...No. For so many, many reasons, no. Outdated, a different organization, different people...

Yes, my mistake. You mean probably this place on myspace.

Look at the "Friends" list of the organization. The "top 17" friends includes one "Cleon" (perhaps you know him?) and... Mr. "Muslim forever", whose avatar is Hamas' coat of arms. (Along with other assorted useful idiots).

I'm sure that you, knowing Mr. "Muslim forever" so much personally better than me, can tell me what a wonderful, wonderful man he is.

 

[Stout]

Yes, as the political left is firmly set against all forms of modern technology, it is certainly hypocritical of them to use cell phones, Twitter and so on to keep in touch and organise protests when they fell outraged. It would be much easier if they followed the typical leftist dogma and eschewed all these modern wonders in favour of meeting in alleys after dusk so that they can easily be rounded up or beaten down with sabers, like in the good old days. It's over the top to both claim to be members of a progressive movement, and at the same time have the nerve to actually progress!

As I stated above, in the protest I went to yesterday there were such stalwart anti-technology and anti-corporation institutions as the Conservative party, the Swedish Church, and the "Liberals" involved.

You figure I'm asking to much for idealists to actually live their ideology, that banging out anti-corporate posts or waving anti-corporate placards is enough and actually enabling those corporations by purchasing their product(s) isn't hypocritical ? In my world someone whose opposed to the oil and gas industry, ranting about AGW, and going on about alternative energy sources, doesn't own a car or get on a plane.

You've got to hand it to them, though: the left is very clever in the way that they are both anti-semites and thereby consider the Israeli some sort of subhuman scum, well separated from themselves, and consider the Israeli the same as themselves because they are both white people oppressing the browns! This sort of mental juggling is way beyond me -- I simply can't work it out!

The reason you can't work it out is because you're unfamiliar with the machinations of the left. It's all about privilege. The Israelis are privileged, they have stuff, like education, material goods, freedom of movement as does all of "western" society. As a lefty, you should be familiar with acknowledging that privilege, unless you're a soft lefty in which case the hard left hates you because you're a "wannabe"

Sure, they'll use you, they need boots on the ground but they're expecting you to sell out and act in your own self interest when push comes to shove.

Anti-semitism is never an issue in these IvP discussions, it's the actions of a state we're talking about, you should know this.

You'd think this is something a conservative has just pulled out of his commodious behind because an analysis of the situation not based on the maxim "those lefty plebs are just plain stupid" is beyond their capabilities, but it is so obviously correct

Seriously, read some anti-racist/anti oppression literature. This is real and gets every bit as nutbar ( whoops, non-PC term there, mocking mental illness) as the far right.

It's a good thing the conservatives are still holding the banner of separating radical Muslims from ordinary Muslims high, so that they, at least, won't be accused of painting with the broadest of the "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" brushes commercially available

Do you agree/disagree that all Muslims should be judged by the actions of a few ? When i say that HAMAS is dedicated to the destruction of Israel, do you read it as all Muslims are dedicated to the destruction of Israel ?

I actually (no attempt at irony this time) <snip>

IMO, from here on until the end, the rest of your post rocked.

 

[Skeptic]

if the IDF comes on my boat, I'll beat them senseless with my baton.

And if you see an air Marshall on a plane, you'll kill him.

 

[DC]

Well, if that happens, I'll be sure to call in early for my reservist duty this year

would not have taught someone could post a stupider post.
i was wrong.

 

[carlitos]

We are convinced that Palestinians are capable of supporting themselves, provided they are not prevented from doing so.

Evidence?

 

[Cleon]

Yes, my mistake. You mean probably this place on myspace.

Another royally outdated site, by several years.

Would you please just give this up? It's clear you don't know the people and organizations involved (despite your claims to the contrary), and as I said it doesn't matter who's involved, you're going to say the same damn thing regardless.

 

[WildCat]

What a silly question. Are you about to join the IDF?

I wouldn't even be allowed to join the IDF, but there's nothing stopping Thunder from hopping on the next "freedom flotilla" boat so he can attack an IDF soldier when they board the ship, as he claims to long for.

So Cleon, how does your Palestine Solidarity group feel about Hamas? Hezbollah? Is Sami Kuntar a hero to them?

 

[Thunder]

And if you see an air Marshall on a plane, you'll kill him.

you are comparing a Federal Air Marshall on a commercial airliner originating in the USA, to an IDF soldier illegally boarding a ship full of food and supplies for 1.5 million people suffering under an illegal blockade?

priceless. brainless...but priceless.