Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[joobz]

So it would be your policy to let the servant off scott free for beating several men and woman because he didn't know it was wrong rather than giving him a lesser punishment.

No. I would
1.) Fire the employee and
2.) Turn him/her into the authorities for due process.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

And giving a lesser punishment for a crime you didn't know was wrong happens all the time in our modern society. If I carry a gun in my car to Mexico, I could get a year in jail whether I knew it was wrong or not.

Operative word it "could get". You must first receive due process of the law and then the appropriate sentencing.

However, some crimes (e.g., traffic violations) are excusable when one is ignorant of the rules. (e.g., obstructed signs)

Jesus' parable makes the Master (slave) or Boss (servant) judge, jury and "executioner".

If I go through a school zone 35 miles an hour and run over a child, and the speed limit is 15 mph, I'm going to be punished severely even if I tell the judge I didn't know it was a school zone. But I will probably be punished less then someone who says, "yea, I knew the speed limit was 15".

due process,
due process,
due process.
and note that beating someone is not on the table as a punishment.


Jesus advocates the master's full will. If the master decides that a new rule would be not to wear shoes in the house, then he is fully right to beat the slave for wearing shoes.

 

[Akhenaten]

So then you disagree with the website you brought in awhile back that had servant as the second definition.

What did they teach you about 'false dichotomies' when you did that logic course, DOC?

Joobz you want to fudge for your arguments sake.

All you want to do is lie for yours. And yet you feel all superior about it.

Scientists shouldn't fudge. but be coldly rational.

How would you know?

Where's that list of people you've convinced with the evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth, DOC? ​

 

[joobz]

So then you disagree with the website you brought in awhile back that had servant as the second definition. Joobz you want to fudge for your arguments sake. Scientists shouldn't fudge. but be coldly rational.

You do understand that alternative definitions doesn't give the person a right to randomly select which definition holds...right? One must keep context, and the context of the time was that of a slave/bond-servant.


Perhaps you disagree with this pastour who says we are not "servants of god" but "Slaves of god" or "Bondservants of god" becuase of the original text using Dolous.
http://rl-n.blogspot.com/2010/04/doulos-of-christ-jesus-slave-of-god.html

 

[DOC]

You are completely losing it here. Caesar existed. He was the emperor of this place called "Rome." There is a lot of evidence for this. Your guy Yeshua bin Josef mentioned him in the bible, even.

If Julius Caesar existed why do we have no signature from him. People complain about the Gospels not being signed but Julius Caesar (allegedly the most powerful man in the world at the time) gets a free pass when it comes to signing things.

 

[carlitos]

DOC,
I am willing to put US $100 into escrow with any member of this forum, that says you cannot produce a report card or transcript that shows you took, let alone passed, a class in logic.

Render unto carlito, that which is carlito's.

 

[joobz]

If Julius Caesar existed why do we have no signature from him. People complain about the Gospels not being signed but Julius Caesar (allegedly the most powerful man in the world at the time) gets a free pass when it comes to signing things.

Signatures are not what we ask for with The Bible gospels, but confirmed authorship. Such confirmation can come in a multitude of ways, not just signatures.

And, again, even verifying authorship (which you do not have proof of) wouldn't confirm the validity of the statements in the text.

 

[Akhenaten]

If Julius Caesar existed why do we have no signature from him. People complain about the Gospels not being signed but Julius Caesar (allegedly the most powerful man in the world at the time) gets a free pass when it comes to signing things.

Nobody is complaining about the gospels being unsigned, DOC. That's just a straw man argument, and well you know it.

What's being claimed, counter to your vapid OP, is that there is no evidence that whoever wrote the New Testament (and don't get so hung up on the gospels - we have the rest of the NT to deal with yet) was telling the truth.

If there was any evidence, you'd have been able to convince someone of your case, but you haven't, have you, DOC?

Not one person has been taken in by your drivel. How do you interpret this, DOC? ​

 

[DOC]

DOC,
I am willing to put US $100 into escrow with any member of this forum, that says you cannot produce a report card or transcript that shows you took, let alone passed, a class in logic.

Render unto carlito, that which is carlito's.

As I have stated my education in the study of logic was part of my philosophy 101 course in which I received an A. If you want to bet I got an A in philosophy 101 you have a deal.

Of course my name, school, and other courses in other semesters will be blotted out for privacy sake.

 

[DOC]

Nobody is complaining about the gospels being unsigned, DOC.

Either you must be kidding or you haven't read all of this thread.

 

[Fitter]

As I have stated my education in the study of logic was part of my philosophy 101 course in which I received an A. If you want to bet I got an A in philosophy 101 you have a deal.

Of course my name, school, and other courses in other semesters will be blotted out for privacy sake.

But if you blot out the school how would anyone know if it's a real school or a pretend one like Liberty or Bob Jones?

 

[joobz]

Either you must be kidding or you haven't read all of this thread.

ahem....

Signatures are not what we ask for with The Bible gospels, but confirmed authorship. Such confirmation can come in a multitude of ways, not just signatures.

And, again, even verifying authorship (which you do not have proof of) wouldn't confirm the validity of the statements in the text.

 

[DOC]

No. I would
1.) Fire the employee and
2.) Turn him/her into the authorities for due process.

Jesus advocated a lesser punishment - let's say 3 lashes to your back.

Personally I would much rather receive Jesus' punishment and be sore for a few days, then get your punishment of being fired from my job and then being turned over to authorities. Especially during that time when the Roman soldiers weren't too compassionate with prisoners.

 

[Akhenaten]

Either you must be kidding or you haven't read all of this thread.

You know bloody well that I'm one of the brave band who has been able to stomach your drivel well enough to have read every post.

Do you think other readers are unaware of my history with this thread, and that you can effectively cast aspersions about my participation?

Must you lie, even to yourself, about everything?

Now, about that list of people you've convinced with the evidence . . .​

 

[joobz]

Jesus advocated a lesser punishment - let's say 3 lashes to your back.

Personally I would much rather receive Jesus' punishment and be sore for a few days, then get your punishment of being fired from my job and then being turned over to authorities. Especially during that time when the Roman soldiers weren't too compassionate with prisoners.

Lesser is relative. Your "3 lashes" is merely speculative.
Due process is due process and nowhere did jesus advocate such a thing.
He gave the Master/boss complete authority (judge/jury and executioner) over the slave/servant.


You advocate (as did Jesus) a barbaric and sinister system of Justice.

 

[carlitos]

As I have stated my education in the study of logic was part of my philosophy 101 course in which I received an A. If you want to bet I got an A in philosophy 101 you have a deal.

Of course my name, school, and other courses in other semesters will be blotted out for privacy sake.

Theirs or yours?

Sorry - too easy. You know, I might take a pass on this bet. You make a logical fallacy in nearly every post, and yet you preen about your acing "Philosophy 101" which apparently included a chapter on logic. Your words speak for themselves.

 

[DOC]

But if you blot out the school how would anyone know if it's a real school or a pretend one like Liberty or Bob Jones?

If I received an A from Harvard in philosophy 101 would it affect your belief about the bible.

 

[Cleon]

If I received an A from Harvard in philosophy 101 would it affect your belief about the bible.

And if fire-breathing monkeys came flying out of my ass, would you learn to use a question mark?

 

[Akhenaten]

If I received an A from Harvard in philosophy 101 would it affect your belief about the bible.

Your pathetic attempt to derail is noted, DOC.

At issue is your inability to apply even the most basic principles of logic in what we may laughingly describe as your argument.

 

[DOC]

Lesser is relative. Your "3 lashes" is merely speculative.
Due process is due process and nowhere did jesus advocate such a thing.

I'd rather take my chances with some lashes then get due process from the Roman authorities of that time. Jesus got due process by Pontius Pilate (at least according to the Roman Sentator/Historian Tacitus).

 

[six7s]

It has been said there might not even be a Western Civilization if not for Christianity.

Really? Fascinating!

Reporter:

Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization?​

Gandhi:

I think it would be a good idea​

Seriously DOC... if all you have to offer is inane waffle, please post nothing

However, if you do actually have some credible "evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth" then please do post it