Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Bruce Fischer]

Steve Moore: The forensics team were walking about in Meredith's room and then going into the next room wearing the same booties

Fulcanelli: False: each forensic op was assigned to one particular room only and didn't enter any of the other rooms.


I watched the crime scene videos and I watched the investigators wandering all around the cottage. So I know for a fact that Steve Moore is correct.

I wonder what room the guy in the photo below was assigned to? Did he fly out of that room and go outside to take his break? Maybe he was assigned to the hall. Do you think he went back in the cottage after his break? Did he change booties before we went back in the cottage? How about the gloves? Just a few questions to ponder.



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[stilicho]

And Filomena. IIRC, although she knew everything Amanda had found, she didn't tell her to call the police till she heard about the break-in. Didn't bother calling Meredith, either.

Cite?

Filomena immediately swung into action, asking about Meredith, sending the boys over to help investigate, and did not see the extent of the problems yet only knew what Amanda chose to reveal to her.

You people really have it in for Filomena. She did anything a normal person would do and without any of the advantages Amanda had by actually being inside the cottage. She's sitting on the other side of a phone while Amanda is teasing her with incomplete information about everything.

There is no evidence at all that Filomena didn't directly act upon learning what had happened at the cottage. Making it seem that she only cared about her own stuff is simply wrong.

 

[stilicho]

Steve Moore: The forensics team were walking about in Meredith's room and then going into the next room wearing the same booties

Fulcanelli: False: each forensic op was assigned to one particular room only and didn't enter any of the other rooms.

Steve is a liar and nutjob. Next.

I wonder what room the guy in the photo below was assigned to? Did he fly out of that room and go outside to take his break? Maybe he was assigned to the hall. Do you think he went back in the cottage after his break? Did he change booties before we went back in the cottage? How about the gloves? Just a few questions to ponder.

Just Asking Questions is called JAQ-ing off on the conspiracy forums. If you have evidence this investigator was doing something contrary to procedures then you must provide it. Otherwise you're simply posting a random photo (a la Building WTC7 conspiracists) and begging the question.

FAIL!

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Fulcanelli wrote: He (Steve Moore) clearly also is unaware of multiple bloody bare footprints of Amanda and Raffale

These luminol stains were never tested for blood. If they were tested, the results of those tests were withheld. There is no proof at all that these stains were from blood.

There is also no proof that these stains were left by Amanda or Raffaele.

These were undated stains that had nothing at all to do with the murder.

 

[Mary_H]

It's from her alibi email of 04 NOV 2007:

i assumed that perhaps meredith was having menstral issues and hadnt cleaned up yet. ew, but nothing to worry about. i left the bathroom and got dressed in my room.

(Source: http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39 )

She explains her whole reasoning there for not phoning the police even though she knew there was something horribly wrong. That's the email (to her spam list) where she muses about whether Meredith had anal sex. She is terribly worried about her rental agreement:

It kind of sucks that we have to pay the next months rent, but the owner has protection within the contract.

Not much about her dead roommate at all.

You're way out of line on this one, stilicho. Amanda does not "muse about whether Meredith had anal sex." The police asked her whether she knew if Meredith had anal sex:

"at the house they asked me very personal questions about meredith's
life and also about the personalities of our neighbors. how well did i
know them? pretty well, we are friends. was meredith sexually active?
yeah, she borrowed a few of my condoms. does she like anal? wtf? i
dont know. does she use vaseline? for her lips? what kind of person is
stefano? nice guy, has a really pretty girlfriend. hmmm...very
interesting..."

Nice try.

Does anyone know whether the medical examiner ever found any evidence of anal penetration? If not, why were the police asking those questions?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Steve is a liar and nutjob. Next.



Just Asking Questions is called JAQ-ing off on the conspiracy forums. If you have evidence this investigator was doing something contrary to procedures then you must provide it. Otherwise you're simply posting a random photo (a la Building WTC7 conspiracists) and begging the question.

FAIL!

How did that investigator get outside? It is a very logical question. I am not claiming any conspiracy. I watched the video. I know the investigators wandered around the cottage. I am simply posting a photo. Everyone can look at it and make up their own minds.

You are not qualified to attack Steve Moore's professional opinion so I will not debate you on your personal attack against Steve.

 

[HumanityBlues]

Stilicho, where were you yelling CT/nutjob/charlatan/liar when a certain someone was posting the ludicrous conclusion that the luminol at Raffaele's flat had to be blood? (I love where this theory goes. AK and RS are bloody all over their clothes, and then bounce around the floors and walls at Raffaele's house. Do you like this theory?)

Furthermore, "just asking questions" is not a bad thing. You may dismiss it, maybe because it sounds catchy, or you've simply accepted as fact that. Questions can be more relevant than answers. Have you ever heard of the Socratic method before? Who made up this just asking questions rule? Or do you have an alternative rule of "never ask questions, just accept"?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I will post a clip from the crime scene video showing the investigators walking around. That should clear this up. I might be accused of calling in James Cameron to make a fake video but for most clear minded people, the video clip will be all that is needed to show that Steve Moore was correct.

 

[HumanityBlues]

Wait Bruce. Before you post the video, it would be nice for certain people to reaffirm their unequivocal belief that it is a lie that the police walked from room to room without changing their shoes.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Wait Bruce. Before you post the video, it would be nice for certain people to reaffirm their unequivocal belief that it is a lie that the police walked from room to room without changing their shoes.

It will take me some time to convert the video and make the clip. I will have it done tonight. It will give everyone plenty of time to reaffirm their beliefs.

I am watching the video as it converts. They walk all over the place. One guy is walking around taking pictures on his personal little camera.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I will post 2 clips. One is from 11-2 and the other one is from 12-18, the day the luminol testing was done.

 

[christianahannah]

Stilicho, where were you yelling CT/nutjob/charlatan/liar when a certain someone was posting the ludicrous conclusion that the luminol at Raffaele's flat had to be blood? (I love where this theory goes. AK and RS are bloody all over their clothes, and then bounce around the floors and walls at Raffaele's house. Do you like this theory?)

Furthermore, "just asking questions" is not a bad thing. You may dismiss it, maybe because it sounds catchy, or you've simply accepted as fact that. Questions can be more relevant than answers. Have you ever heard of the Socratic method before? Who made up this just asking questions rule? Or do you have an alternative rule of "never ask questions, just accept"?

CT = Connecticut?

Good to know that not everybody thinks asking questions is a bad thing.

 

[HumanityBlues]

CT=conspiracy theorist.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Thanks, Bruce. That shoe print surely proves beyond doubt that Amanda's DNA was tracked there from another source, rather than left there by her directly (or alternatively, that it was left there at some earlier point and then stepped on by the shoe-wearer, who then transferred it into Filomena's room).

I would be cautious about drawing any conclusions. It was on the floor, in the corridor between Amanda's room and Meredith's room, a high traffic area. The place had been turned upside-down by December 18, when they did the luminol work, and a lot of cops had been tromping around. It may be substrate that is unrelated to whatever caused the luminol reaction. It may have been contamination from dirty gloves.

Here are the print, a map showing the location, and the e-gram.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Wow, that's quite a claim. Why do you think the prosecution never tried to argue it was blood, then? In fact, the report says the following:

They didn't because what's the point unless they could show it was Meredith's with her DNA?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Really incredibly weak reasoning from Massei there. As Massei acknowledges, there would have been a few minutes at most before Filomena and friends arrived after the postal police. In those few minutes Amanda and Raffaele had to tell the postal police about the break-in and the blood in the bathroom and show them around, before the police told them they were there about the cell phones and asked Amanda to write down Meredith's numbers. A housemate's locked door would rather fade into the background given these more pressing concerns.

Were I you, I'd wait for it to be published so you can read his reasoning on the matter...it's far from weak, it's damning!

If Filomena were the one under suspicion, Massei would've concluded that the fact she was terribly worried about Meredith yet didn't bother either to call her (she left that to Amanda) nor to hurry back (took her nearly an hour to get home after that first phone call) would be clear evidence of her guilt. Oh, plus her misremembering the 12:09 call as happening at 12:35, o' course. Deeply suspicious.

Straw man.

 

[Amazer]

How did that investigator get outside? It is a very logical question. I am not claiming any conspiracy. I watched the video. I know the investigators wandered around the cottage. I am simply posting a photo. Everyone can look at it and make up their own minds.

You are not qualified to attack Steve Moore's professional opinion so I will not debate you on your personal attack against Steve.

Bruce,

Are you qualified to attack Massei's opinion?
Are you qualified to attack Mgini's opinion?
Are you qualified to attack Steffanoni's opinion?

I would venture to guess you aren't qualified to attack their opinions, yet you do this all the time. Should we stop discussing these things with you too?

Let's face it, Steve made a mess of that interview with 40 uncontested errors. That either makes him less of an expert then you believe him to be, or he really hasn't applied himself. Which ever it is, it does nothing to bolster your case for Amanda's innocence.

Obviously we could take your route and just not discuss Steve and his opinions, but perhaps you would be well served with not bringing him into the discussion whenever you feel like it.

Amazer

 

[Fulcanelli]

Another very interesting claim. Any source, Fulcanelli?

Dr Stefanoni testified that the machine had been used to test no other items from the case.

 

[Fulcanelli]

He and Amanda cooked lunch at the cottage that day, so there's probably a pretty good chance he used the bathroom. Worth noting too that Amanda and Raffaele's mixed DNA was found on the towels from Raffaele's flat.

We have only Raffaele's and Amanda's word for this.

And we've already been over this argument of yours inside out. What...do you think if you repeat exactly the same thing again it will have more success then last time and that the arguments that ruled you theory out will suddenly be forgotten?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Huh? What does that have to do with anything? I was simply agreeing with your earlier statement, "What you do is you get your evidence first, then you construct logical theories from it."

There was no evidence against Amanda and Raffaele before the police took them in for interrogations.

Raffaele and Amanda gave them the evidence. Or have you forgotten already?