In terms of the fuel: NIST modeled 66,100 pounds for Flight 11 and 62,000 lbs for UA175. In terms of totals, the combined fuel plus aircraft weights ended up being modeled as 283,600 and 277,580 lbs respectively. In terms of speed: The models actually were run with several different parameters, but the simple figures that NIST gives centers around 443MPH for Flight 11 and 542MPH for UA175.
All of this can be found in NCSTAR 1-2B. I'll also point out that Ryan's math based on those figures shows that only 185 MPH was necessary to penetrate the Towers. When you consider those masses at those speeds, that's what it would've taken. Yet the jets were travelling far faster than that.
The simple fact remains that attempts to refute the conclusions have so far been limited to video comparisons of far different masses travelling at far lower speeds impacting far different "structures". That's not even apples to oranges.
Bottom line: To address this issue, a person must look at the impulse figures and compare them to the P-I curves given for columns in NCSTAR 1-2B. If they exceed the points on the curve, then failure results. It's a simple and substantive concept, really, but conspiracy addicts tend to not indulge in substance.
No, the above is false. It is, epistemologically understood, an attempt to use obfuscation in order to explain away what can be verified by sight:
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Posters and lurkers alike, the above is conclusive. You are seeing what can only result from animation in one form or another; not the crash of an actual Boeing 767.
Review Elmondo's post carefully and ask yourself: What do I understand from that post that explains what is seen in the photo?
At most, the Elmondo post is an attempt to explain, using abstractions, why what you see
IS NOT an animation; or, put another way; why what you see is a depiction of reality even though it looks false.
Elmondo's attempt fails.
The photo is, indeed, an accurate depiction of what happened on 9/11; namely:
A PSYOP that used false imagery in order to create the illusion that the explosions that virtually everyone who was verifiably present and who gave either a spontaneous statement or who had a duty to give an accurate statement said, more or less, consistently, one after another, as follows:
I saw an explosion.
An entire 60 pages of posts raged on and on in Dick Oliver and not ever could posters, try as they might, overcome the fact that the Dick Oliver witnesses neither saw nor heard a plane. At most, they guessed that maybe, possibly there might have been a plane; and that was "at most."
So it is with the ALL 43 videos. They show the illusion of a plane; in almost all instances a "shadowy" or "blurry" or obscure object that in some videos moves too fast, in some too slow and in some is not seen at all.
The only consistency in all the videos is that the explosion is at the wrong place and does not occur at the point of impact.
On the above sentence, one can stand without fear of contradiction, even if the attempt to frame contradiction is expressed in either the most obscure and abstract construct in mathematics or in angelic script.
It does not matter.
The videos show an illusion of a jetliner and the explosion shows a pyrotechnical display.
