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End indirect subsidies to Israel as a solution for peace

Um....I have the right to return to the Czech Republic. I am actually going to this July.

I can also visit Ukraine and Belarus.

Meanwhile, Palestinians living in crappy camps in Lebanon have no right to return to Israel, even for a vacation.
 
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Thunder said:
Meanwhile, Palestinians living in crappy camps in Lebanon have no right to return to Israel, even for a vacation.
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Of course that has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of Palestinians who want to go to visit Israel to blow up children…

If the Czech Republic had similar problems I suspect they would be a lot more cautious about who they allowed across their boarder as well.
 
lomiller said:
Of course that has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of Palestinians who want to go to visit Israel to blow up children…
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I'm sorry......in what year in the 1990s did suicide bombings first begin?

and for how many years before that have Palestinian refugees NOT been allowed to return to their homes..even for a visit?

Uber-Zionists are soooooo easy to debate. Its like they don't even try.
 
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Thunder said:
Meanwhile, Palestinians living in crappy camps in Lebanon have no right to return to Israel, even for a vacation.
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Point the finger at Lebanon, and especially at Nasrallah and his predecessors for fighting against any formal acceptance of Palestinians living in Lebanon as citizens with rights to work, open businesses, buy and rent land, and exist outside of the zones that were previously agreed to between the PLO and the Lebanese government as 'no-go' zones for the Lebanese army/security forces so long as the Palestinian stay there.

Its an open festering wound which the PA, Hezbollah, <insert terrorist support Org. here> employs quite liberally as a propaganda tool. This position has been admitted by many of the 'liberal' news outlets in the Arab nations as well as a propaganda tool.

I would definitely support, for the time being, that none of these Palestinians come to Israel proper for 'vacations' or anything of the sort. These people support, overwhelmingly, a continued state of belligerence against Israel, support Hezbollah and the PLO. There's no right or law to be seen here that trumps Israel's motivation to keep its citizens safe.

And as usual, Parky thinks that without a cessation of belligerence or formal recognition of Israel or any agreements of any sort, that Israel is obliged to allow in people who wholeheartedly support the destruction of Israel.

Stand back for the fail-free logic....
 
bigjelmapro said:
And as usual, Parky thinks that without a cessation of belligerence or formal recognition of Israel or any agreements of any sort, that Israel is obliged to allow in people who wholeheartedly support the destruction of Israel.
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are you suggesting Israel would allow in refugees who wanted to live in peace with Jews and under Israeli law?


give us a **** ing break.
 
Thunder said:
are you suggesting Israel would allow in refugees who wanted to live in peace with Jews and under Israeli law?
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Polls show otherwise, of which is the overwhelming majority where this peaceful co-existance is nothing more than a brainfart from the far-left.

No treaties/agreements of non-belligerence, then no final status agreements which would include compensation and a limited influx of 'refugees' (albeit, one-sided influx as is the usual practice when dealing with Arab nations). Simple as that. So continue hitting your head against the wall trying to fathom these simple concepts and this incessant obsession of your to put the cart in front of the horse in resolving this ongoing conflict.

+1 fail.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Polls show otherwise, of which is the overwhelming majority where this peaceful co-existance is nothing more than a brainfart from the far-left.
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I ask again:

"are you suggesting Israel would allow in ANY refugees who wanted to live in peace with Jews and under Israeli law?"

do you think Israel SHOULD allow in any such refugees? lets say its only 30,000. should Israel allow in these refugees?
 
Thunder said:
I ask again:

"are you suggesting Israel would allow in ANY refugees who wanted to live in peace with Jews and under Israeli law?"

do you think Israel SHOULD allow in any such refugees? lets say its only 30,000. should Israel allow in these refugees?
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Holy boink against the wall eh?

Previous proposals have already had Israel offer 100,000 'refugees' to be absorbed by Israel, ie Camp David/Oslo. No counter-offer was given.

Now respond to the other talking points rather than this hopeless attempt at steering the thread into another wall.
 
Thunder said:
you make a claim, and then refuse to provide evidence. I expect as much from you.
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Here we go:

Essentials of the Camp David II Proposals by Israel
Israel would allow the return of around 100,000 refugees under “humanitarian” grounds in the form of family reunions and considers such a step as compliance with UN Resolution 194.
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So, I've posted this once again in yet another thread. The only thing I can ascertain from this tactic is that you enjoy seeing other people do the leg-work in providing evidence rather than making any attempt to win an actual debate.

So double face-plant for you.

See you in the next thread. :D
 
Thunder said:
I'm sorry you find proving evidence for your claims, to be such a burden.
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You were the one who brought it up and you were the one who made the original albeit implied claim. Expecting you can get away from doing research by implying things rather then making honest claims is not going to get you far. It's something that most people recognize as intellectually dishonest at the very least.

Now, I have no problem with conversational type discussions where every detail doesn't require boatloads of fact checking. I do have a problem with people who want to change the rules mid stream and start demanding everyone else do intensive research while they themselves do nothing at all. If you think someone is making an erroneous claim in such a conversation you should at least do a little homework before challenging them for proof.
 
Thunder said:
I'm sorry you find proving evidence for your claims, to be such a burden. I guess everyone at JREF should simply take your word for it.
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Is there a reason you are not responding to the evidence you requested?
 
Thunder said:
I'm sorry......in what year in the 1990s did suicide bombings first begin?

and for how many years before that have Palestinian refugees NOT been allowed to return to their homes..even for a visit?

Uber-Zionists are soooooo easy to debate. Its like they don't even try.
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We don't need to. We control the press. A minority of people aware to our cause of Middle East superiority will not stop the train. We manipulate the opinion of the majority.You don't have to fool all of the people. We have proved that over the last 100 years. We will prevail. Why fight us?
 
There a reason why this troll Zach is spamming a number of these threads? I could only hazard a guess that this might be a poser. Gotta love how they come in with a Jewish sounding name to confirm all these stereotypes and CTs in one giant swoop. To what ends, who knows...

Must be one of JREF's opposition :D
 
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