I love Dr. Nancy Snyderman of NBC

[Safe-Keeper]

What the hell are you talking about?

Its not a conspiracy to sell you toxic chemicals that make you sick so you return for drugs, then because of those drugs' side-effects, you go back and ask for more..

I know a conspiracy theory when I see one.

that's just good way of keeping profits in your business.

You have a very, very odd view of customer interaction. If I was a doctor, I would do my utmost to treat and cure patients to the best of my ability, not only because it would be the right thing to do, but also because satisfied customers come back. If I didn't treat them properly, they would go to another doctor and I wouldn't get my pay check. No matter how much you project your views on "good way of keeping profits" to everyone around you, it does not change the fact that most doctors do not think this way. Of course you are free to believe this to be the best way to run a business, but believe me, most rational people out there do not.

by the looks of it..

Who funded this study? The pharmaceutical company? lol

A little tip for you -- if you want to be seen as actually interested in learning something, do your own research instead of asking smug rhetorical questions. lol.

Question: why do people have to be convinced NOT to inject chemicals totally unknown to them into their blood (the most precious filtration system in the only body they have), but need nothing more than a doctor to say "vaccine's are safe" for them to get the jabs!?!? Why don't they need convincing that they ARE safe...? How come I'm the crazy one for not being convinced??

If this is how you act when you're unconvinced of something, I would hate to be in the same room as you when you're certain you're right.

 

[Paul2]

there is so small a dose that... what? continue on..

to note.. if they pass through any part of the body, they will pass through the bloodstream, and with that.. the brain.

I could walk up to you, and drop one drop of pure sodium flouride, or hexa-fluorositic-acid on the ground, and you just being near it, you'd need a bio-suit in order not to be harmed by the vapors, granted you wont die, but you'll be very sick. If I get just one drop of it on your skin, you're toast, I'm not threatening it, I'm just making a point. One drop of a very toxic substance, in the right spot, can damage someone's tissue, and I'm not a rocket scientist,

News flash: different chemicals have different levels of toxicity. A certain amount of one chemical may be toxic, the same amount of another may not be. Pretty basic. You're not proving anything about chemical A by saying that a chemical B is very toxic.

all bodies are different,

with absolutely *no* commonalities?!

idk how it works exactly,

I agree.

there's a good possibility that the chemicals just get entered into your body then BLAM! it hits your blood then your brain.

I hope this statement is the result of not having any science education, as opposed to being the result of having science education.

Who said their toying with our bodies is any good?

Endless punchlines, just endless.

 

[Capsid]

there is so small a dose that... what? continue on..

to note.. if they pass through any part of the body, they will pass through the bloodstream, and with that.. the brain.

I could walk up to you, and drop one drop of pure sodium flouride, or hexa-fluorositic-acid on the ground, and you just being near it, you'd need a bio-suit in order not to be harmed by the vapors, granted you wont die, but you'll be very sick. If I get just one drop of it on your skin, you're toast, I'm not threatening it, I'm just making a point. One drop of a very toxic substance, in the right spot, can damage someone's tissue, and I'm not a rocket scientist, but you can't just shove chemicals and biologicals in areas of the body, and expect them to "work" just like you say they "work", all bodies are different, and what may cause me massive brain damage, may cause you to feel good about taking vaccines.. idk how it works exactly, and I'm sure there's not a device that can see exactly where those chemicals are going, right after the vaccine, so I'm sure that even if that's how the vaccine "was designed to do ..." there's a good possibility that the chemicals just get entered into your body then BLAM! it hits your blood then your brain.

Why else would there be so many different symptoms and some children that don't develop any symptoms are the ones you really have to worry about cause their bodies should be rejecting ALL foreign matter.

and how dare you screw with the natural order of things, big pharma.. changing DNA.. genetics, immunity functions?!

Who said their toying with our bodies is any good? Even THEY admit they're using soft-kill weapons on us in the form of food and medicine..

I can't just forget what David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger says about us.. the "useless eaters" they call us...I can't forget they helped create AIDS, for world depopulation.. I can't forget they put SV40 in the polio vaccine causing a whole generation of feeble mindedness.

You could dilute the sodium fluoride to a concentration that is not toxic to you, this is what is happening with adjuvants. The dose is tiny.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I can't just forget what David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger says about us.. the "useless eaters" they call us...I can't forget they helped create AIDS, for world depopulation.. I can't forget they put SV40 in the polio vaccine causing a whole generation of feeble mindedness.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

I know a conspiracy theory when I see one.

Which is what?

You have a very, very odd view of customer interaction

I live on planet earth, I don't know what planet you're on, but that is how Walmart does business, Bayer, Monsanto, Merck, Standard Oil Company, etc.. etc..

I've seen how THEY do business, I would not run my business like them, so I don't know why you think its my "odd way of doing business".

A little tip for you -- if you want to be seen as actually interested in learning something, do your own research instead of asking smug rhetorical questions. lol.

So you're not denying that the study was done by the pharmaceutical company?

If this is how you act when you're unconvinced of something, I would hate to be in the same room as you when you're certain you're right

Huh? this is nonsense, I do not make assumptions of your behavior, via prejudice.

So did you find out who funded the study??

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I live on planet earth, I don't know what planet you're on, but that is how Walmart does business, Bayer, Monsanto, Merck, Standard Oil Company, etc.. etc..

I've seen how THEY do business, I would not run my business like them, so I don't know why you think its my "odd way of doing business".

I don't see how any of those companies have anything to do with what I said. You're saying that giving customers a broken product to force them to come back is a good way of making money. I replied that this sounded incredibly silly to me -- come to think of it, you said yourself that if you went to a car mechanic who didn't fix your car, you would not go to him again.

Huh? this is nonsense, I do not make assumptions of your behavior, via prejudice.

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Er, yes, you do:

I guess you could call it a conspiracy if you want to be technical, but who am I to stop sheep from following wolves? I'm just a bear that cares. Here to warn you, that's all.

You probably watch a lot of TV?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

News flash: different chemicals have different levels of toxicity. A certain amount of one chemical may be toxic, the same amount of another may not be. Pretty basic. You're not proving anything about chemical A by saying that a chemical B is very toxic.

Sure I am, all these chemicals are harmful at any amount, at what amount of dose is Mercury safe for a human baby? at what weight? what age? what metabolism?

with absolutely *no* commonalities?!

There's too many variables to just deny natural immunity as far superior to "supposed" immunity that doctors/nurses think they are giving to their patients. You think that each vaccine is going to hit the right spot in the muscle or something? you have no idea how random each needle prick is, less than a nanometer in the wrong direction is a whole new area being infected with foreign material.

I agree.

you also don't know exactly how vaccines work, IN the body of the individual, you aren't physically there to track the condition of any patient 24/7, at the microscopic level. we don't have the technology to trace chemicals and the damages they cause to the immediate tissue instantaneously as its happening, we don't live in a Star Trek world with hand-held scanners yet.

I hope this statement is the result of not having any science education, as opposed to being the result of having science education.
Endless punchlines, just endless.

I hope you can learn something valuable from LIFE experiences, and not just some text book.

Oh and how convenient to shew-away my quests for truth as if they were punchlines. You have NO idea, what vaccines really do. I do however know what damage IS possible. At least I'm not afraid to admit that I know its all possible.


SURE, if what the pharmaceutical company is telling us is the truth, then by all means, show us more examples of double-blind studies that don't hand pick the healthiest people in the group to test them on... you can provide that can you?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

I don't see how any of those companies have anything to do with what I said. You're saying that giving customers a broken product to force them to come back is a good way of making money. I replied that this sounded incredibly silly to me -- come to think of it, you said yourself that if you went to a car mechanic who didn't fix your car, you would not go to him again.

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Er, yes, you do:

No.. I don't. You can't ACT out, watching television... watching TV is not a behavior, its something you do, a lifestyle choice of how you spend your time, and where you get your news, not a behavior.

I didn't say that was good business practices, that's how they think of a good business cause they are not good people.

I'll quote myself, in my words, thank you.. since you like to word things differently to fit your view here's my ACTUAL words;

"You going to the doctor cause you're sick or have a fever from a vaccine, is just like me returning my car, to a bad mechanic to ask him to "fix it". "

And that is exactly what I mean... you going to your doctor, cause you have some headache from some pill he just prescribed you, and you going back to him, is not going to fix the cause of the problem, and that was that he gave you something that caused your problem.

So if that doctor = cause of problem

don't go to that doctor!

DUH!

Just like you wouldn't take your car, back to a bad mechanic, you would take your car to a trusted mechanic, then have that shop bill the bad mechanic that screwed your car up. DUH!

anymore irrelevant things you can come up with about my posts that have something to do with grammar, and nothing to do with the actual Dr. Snyderman or vaccines, go ahead?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

problem with what I said?

You don't believe David Rockefeller or Henry Kissinger, they don't exist right?

You're just going to believe everything that's not on TV is a lie?

 

[Cavemonster]

Hmm, I wonder what form of saline they could think up, that would help them pass a bogus FDA safety standard? Maybe a placebo/saline that resembles the same devices as the vaccine perhaps?

by the looks of it..

What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to say that a saline solution could somehow "resemble" the "devices" in the vaccine?

What the hell does that even mean? Do you know what saline solution is? It's been explained to you in this thread, but if you don't accept simple salt water as an acceptable placebo, then your belief that vaccines are not placebo tested is absolutely unfalsifiable. There is no presentation of information that could possibly change your mind.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Reasons to just say no to vaccines

REASONS TO JUST SAY NO TO VACCINES

http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri19.htm

 

[Kwalish Kid]

It's amazing how that woman can cite all kinds of fluff in her footnotes, but never anything to do with the medical or scientific claims that she makes about vaccines.

 

[Kwalish Kid]

They are HAND picking the healthier nursing home residents, where as the patients that generally receive these shots, are not hand picked this same way.

If they are under the care of doctors, nurses, or other trained medical personnel, then patients who receive vaccines are hand picked this way.

 

[Capsid]

There's too many variables to just deny natural immunity as far superior to "supposed" immunity that doctors/nurses think they are giving to their patients. You think that each vaccine is going to hit the right spot in the muscle or something? you have no idea how random each needle prick is, less than a nanometer in the wrong direction is a whole new area being infected with foreign material.

This isn't how vaccines work. If we relied on natural immunity, we'd still have smallpox.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

So that people like you, don't take my words out of context, here's my original posting;

"Funny even your link from wikipedia states this;

"Saline solutions are available in various formulations for different purposes. Salines are also used in cell biology, molecular biology, and biochemistry experiments."
Hmm, I wonder what form of saline they could think up, that would help them pass a bogus FDA safety standard? Maybe a placebo/saline that resembles the same devices as the vaccine perhaps?

by the looks of it..

Who funded this study? The pharmaceutical company?"

What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to say that a saline solution could somehow "resemble" the "devices" in the vaccine?

I'm talking about the different types of saline they stated above, on the link someone here gave me for wikipedia on "saline medicine".

I'm talking about they(the vaccine maker/tester) can be USING.. or develop a saline solution which also has the same adjuvants as the vaccine, just for that study or for other studies.

What I am referring to is, in the vaccine are the devices, the adjuvants and the squalene, the needle/syringe is the delivery system.

What the hell does that even mean?

I just got through explaining to you what I meant, in three different ways of wording it around, so maybe one of the ways will *click* in your head.

Do you know what saline solution is?

DUH! I'm a science wiz, I know what saline solution is.. did you not see how I posted WIKI's statement here;


"Saline solutions are available in various formulations for different purposes. Salines are also used in cell biology, molecular biology, and biochemistry experiments."
FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES... VARIOUS FORMULATIONS!!!

What part do you not understand?

It's been explained to you in this thread, but if you don't accept simple salt water as an acceptable placebo

That's if it is saline solution. Who is doing the study here? Where would it show me the vaccine ingredients for this study? and the saline solution (all of the ingredients, if there's more ingredients than just your normal saline solution, in the study, than is being stated)

I do accept a placebo as a control group, giving nothing(not one thing different but the vaccine), where the uncontrolled group gets something (the vaccine)

then your belief that vaccines are not placebo tested is absolutely unfalsifiable. There is no presentation of information that could possibly change your mind.

Really? Cause I've seen a study from Canada, that claimed they were using a "placebo" when in reality they didn't openly explain they were using another vaccine as a placebo.... Hep A shot.

Don't think that study exists? here it is..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100309161828.htm

"Children were randomly assigned according to community to receive standard dosing of either inactivated trivalent influenza vaccine or hepatitis A vaccine, which was used as a control."

This is the same case other studies.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

If they are under the care of doctors, nurses, or other trained medical personnel, then patients who receive vaccines are hand picked this way.

so you're saying the same practices that the vaccine study used are the very same that ALL doctors use?

give me a break!

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

This isn't how vaccines work. If we relied on natural immunity, we'd still have smallpox.

How do you figure?

I'd really like to know... how YOU would know..

that this virus has been erradicated?

Let's test this theory of yours... lets put a vaccinated kid, in the same room as someone WITH smallpox...

let's see how well this vaccine-based-immunity holds up..


so again.. How do you figure that we'd still have small pox?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

You could dilute the sodium fluoride to a concentration that is not toxic to you, this is what is happening with adjuvants. The dose is tiny.

Let's say I dilute the sodium fluoride... playing devils advocate here...

parts of the dilution, is just plain water, correct? right, so there's water running through your body, then bam.. that one molecule of sodium fluoride hits your bone, and destroys .05% of your bone density.. instead of a whole 1% of your bone density..

It's still toxic to the bones, still toxic to the thyroid, still toxic, no matter what dilution, you'll still have toxicity.

You can't just dilute it and say its no longer toxic.. you can however say that its "less toxic".


same effect, it still is toxic to your cells, still toxic to your body, regardless of if it is diluted or not.

 

[CurtC]

Apon further reading after finding the correct link to the full text, just below that quote about the placebo is this;

Congratulations on figuring out how to click the link on a paper's abstract page to get the full text of the study. That's pretty basic internetin', but you apparently don't learn well.

"Nursing home residents were enrolled in the study once eligibility had been ascertained. We excluded people who were immunocompromised, because of a presumed poor response to the vaccine (for example, patients with myeloma, active malignant disease, a neutrophil count <1.0×109/l, hypogammmaglobulinaemia, HIV infection, solid organ or bone marrow transplantation, or those undergoing dialysis); people of potentially low compliance, such as those unable to follow study instructions; people who had ever received a pneumococcal vaccine; and people with hypersensitivity to the vaccine components."

They are HAND picking the healthier nursing home residents, where as the patients that generally receive these shots, are not hand picked this same way.

People who are immunocompromised, or have hypersensitivity to vaccine components, would likely not get vaccinated anyway. Those folks depend on the rest of us getting vaccinated and providing some herd immunity. It's no surprise that they were excluded from the study.

The other people who were excluded were the ones who wouldn't comply with the study requirements (following instructions), and people who had already received this kind of vaccination before. I hope that I don't need to explain why these folks were excluded.

So what you've pointed out here is that this particular study, which was brought up simply because it's one of the first results that Google returns, was done properly. And the only thing you can find against it is that, for no reason, you suppose the saline placebo was impure.

What is wrong with you people injecting chemicals in your babies?! I would never inject that stuff into my kids.

You need to realize something: everything is a chemical. The food you eat is made up of nothing but chemicals. Some of those are toxic in higher doses, and toxic chemicals get absorbed into your bloodstream. There has never been a time when this wasn't the case. So by feeding a baby, you are putting toxic chemicals into its bloodstream.

By the way, when it was asked of you, what evidence would change your mind, you answered that nothing ever could. Your tone sounded like you somehow thought this was a position of strength, but to the rest of us you had just admitted that your beliefs are like a religion, where you tenaciously hold onto them without regard for any facts. You just admitted this; we knew it already, but you should realize your limitation.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

You could dilute the sodium fluoride to a concentration that is not toxic to you, this is what is happening with adjuvants. The dose is tiny.

besides, toxic substances generally linger in the body, without a hardcore detoxing process... especially fluoride

it can take decades to fully detox fluoride, and even then, you're going to continue to be exposed by fluoride, every day, slowing down the detoxing process.

these accumulate in the body, and can cause toxic over load to our organs

ever heard of Liver failure?