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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Charlie Wilkes said:
Amazer writes:

I'm sure you understand that I'm not going to just take your word for it. Please provide a link to this video.

I can do this. But should I do it? I want more input from this group.
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Why not Charlie? If you are 100% certain that Amanda and Rafaelle are innocent there is not one single thing that this video can do to harm their appeal.
 
Alt+F4 said:
It's my understanding that Meredith's wallet was stolen out of her purse or handbag (which ever word you choose to use). That would mean there would be blood or DNA found INSIDE the purse/handbag, yes?
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Not if the handbag was dumped out.
 
Fiona said:
We have no idea whether her purse was in her handbag or not, so far as I know
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True, but based on personal experience I'd say her purse (wallet for us Americans) was in her handbag and her phones were not.
 
Could be. I don't know. I also do not know if her money was in her purse: it was rent money that was discussed as missing. Amanda said she kept hers in a drawer and I think a lot of people keep money earmarked for particular purposes separate from their day to day money.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Amazer writes:

I'm sure you understand that I'm not going to just take your word for it. Please provide a link to this video.

I can do this. But should I do it? I want more input from this group.
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Is this the video that shows that the Italian police double as cleaners?
 
Alt+F4 writes:

Why not Charlie? If you are 100% certain that Amanda and Rafaelle are innocent there is not one single thing that this video can do to harm their appeal.

There is nothing in the video that incriminates Amanda and Raffaele. The "why not" is that the content is very disturbing, and it is sensitive because it records the scene where an innocent young woman was brutally murdered. Against that stands the fact that criminal trials are the public's business, and the public should have the information to evaluate whether the court has done its job correctly.

Fiona writes:

Is this the video that shows that the Italian police double as cleaners?

Yes.
 
The propensity of the witchhunting cult sites for littering message boards with bogus arguments has been well documented at this point. So I'm hardly surprised when another comes to light.

The latest I'm personally aware of seems to be the claim by the usual suspects that, up until the moment of her false confession, the police were not in any way fixated on Knox and considered her nothing more than a innocent witness.

Not a credible argument, it would appear, if what I recently heard is true: that Amanda Knox was put under police surveillance rather quickly after the murder was discovered.

So, is it true that Knox's telecommunications were wiretapped prior to her arrest? If so, I'm assuming no blatantly incriminating statements were uncovered?
 
Fulcanelli said:
American. And translations from Italian. There were two purses in Meredith's room examined. I would suggest that one was her handbag (which was on her bed...and we know from the pictures that was actually a handbag and not a purse) and there was a purse in her wardrobe.
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Do you know if the purse (wallet) in the wardrobe was in use or an extra one which was empty? Do you know if the police ever determined where Meredith's money and credit cards were taken from?
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
There is nothing in the video that incriminates Amanda and Raffaele. The "why not" is that the content is very disturbing, and it is sensitive because it records the scene where an innocent young woman was brutally murdered. Against that stands the fact that criminal trials are the public's business, and the public should have the information to evaluate whether the court has done its job correctly.
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Just my opinion, but I think the determining factor if the video in question should be available for public veiwing is if it shows a dead body, or not.
 
Fiona said:
Fulcanelli is british, I believe.



In uk english a man carries a wallet and a woman carries a purse. They are both what you call a wallet



In uk english that is a handbag



That is a big handbag in uk english. Capiche?
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Hello Fiona,
Our disagreemnet on wallet, purse, and handbag can indeed be a simple cultural mis-understanding, maybe something similiar as was the recently revised Italian translation of Raffaele Sollecito's "a lot of blood" vs "drop(s) of blood" that was recently brought up first on PMF, I believe.

At the store I work at, we sell, among other things, girls/gals/womens coin purses, wallets, purses, small and large hand bags, tote bags, and carry on bags. I apologize if both of you, in England and Scotland, did not know that a gals wallet was different then her purse or handbag...
RWVBWL
 
A purse is not different from a wallet in the UK, that is the point. Fulcanelli said that her handbag and purse were in the room. That you did not understand that there is no separate "wallet" is not anyone's fault. It is just a different usage
 
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RWVBWL said:
Hello Fiona,
Our disagreemnet on wallet, purse, and handbag can indeed be a simple cultural mis-understanding, maybe something similiar as was the recently revised Italian translation of Raffaele Sollecito's "a lot of blood" vs "drop(s) of blood" that was recently brought up first on PMF, I believe.

At the store I work at, we sell, among other things, girls/gals/womens coin purses, wallets, purses, small and large hand bags, tote bags, and carry on bags. I apologize if both of you, in England and Scotland, did not know that a gals wallet was different then her purse or handbag...
RWVBWL
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With all of that said though, I too wonder if Miss Kercher's credit cards were just laying inside that big ol' handbag or if she had them in a wallet inside the handbag.
If they were in a wallet, did Rudy Guede or someone else take her credit cards out of the wallet that was in her handbag, or did he/they just steal the wallet also, which would hav been a lot easier?
Hmmm...
RWVBWL
 
Alt+F4 writes:

Just my opinion, but I think the determining factor if the video in question should be available for public veiwing is if it shows a dead body, or not.

I have a version in which the frames showing the body have been removed.
 
Well I do not wish to see edited videos of that kind. I do not actually think such footage should be available at all. It is all very well saying that the trial should be public and so it should: but some things are rightly seen or heard in private by those who need to know.
 
Christianahannah writes:

Do you know if the purse (wallet) in the wardrobe was in use or an extra one which was empty? Do you know if the police ever determined where Meredith's money and credit cards were taken from?

It's the same purse. It was on the bed when the crime scene was discovered. But during the investigation, police removed the mattress from the bed and took the mattress out to the living room. Then they pulled the clothes out of the wardrobe and laid them on the bedframe. The purse, along with the pillow from the floor, ended up in the empty wardrobe. On December 18, they stuffed the clothing on the bed into a suitcase, pulled the purse out of the wardrobe and put it back on the bedframe, laid an evidence tag next to it, and took pictures of it.
 
lane99 said:
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The latest I'm personally aware of seems to be the claim by the usual suspects that, up until the moment of her false confession, the police were not in any way fixated on Knox and considered her nothing more than a innocent witness.

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Other than Mary H, who seems to have been beating the straw out of that particular herring with remarkable fervor, I am unsure whom these usual suspects you speak of may be. Perhaps you would like to point them out.

What I've seen here, and said myself, is that even in the total absence of any inconsistencies it would be perfectly normal for LE to devote extra attention to Knox, because of her proximity to the victim, Sollecito for his role as her alibi, and both together simply because they were at the scene and contributing their input immediately after the crime occurred.

The police would have been remiss in their duties if they had taken any other tack at the onset of the investigation.

The pair's subsequent inability to keep their stories straight, and the failure of all the things which could be crosschecked to support those stories merely raised an ante that was already there.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Christianahannah writes:

Do you know if the purse (wallet) in the wardrobe was in use or an extra one which was empty? Do you know if the police ever determined where Meredith's money and credit cards were taken from?

It's the same purse. It was on the bed when the crime scene was discovered. But during the investigation, police removed the mattress from the bed and took the mattress out to the living room. Then they pulled the clothes out of the wardrobe and laid them on the bedframe. The purse, along with the pillow from the floor, ended up in the empty wardrobe. On December 18, they stuffed the clothing on the bed into a suitcase, pulled the purse out of the wardrobe and put it back on the bedframe, laid an evidence tag next to it, and took pictures of it.
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When did they do the Spheron-VR survey?
 
Surely that is how this information came to light? It was all filmed by the police and is part of the public record of the investigation, right?
 
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