Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Supernaut]

Well, today I've dedicated almost the entire hour and half I have online to you reprobates - hope you appreciate it.

ciao for now.

 

[bucketoftea]

Not worth replying to.

Not worth Googling?

 

[odeed]

Not worth replying to.

Why not, you made the statement so you must know what you were talking about?

 

[odeed]

Didn't the Saxons chop off body parts for wrongdoing?

The punishment was superceded by the ASBO in today's courts.

I am much more interested in the Supernaut knowledge of modern judicial systems rather than a thousand year old one.

 

[Alt+F4]

I am much more interested in the Supernaut knowledge of modern judicial systems rather than a thousand year old one.

On one hand Amanda supporters say that her miscarriage of justice wouldn't happen in the United States, then they use cases tried in the United States (such as the "Norfolk Four") to show that miscarriages of justices happen....in the United States.

 

[Fiona]

Give me strength.

We have stringently applied laws concerning sub judice and contempt, which would have prevented anything remotely like the Italian prosecutions’ (mignini's) “narrative” being published by means of “leaks” from “official sources”.

And you know it, Ms. Prevaricator.

This applies to ALL judiciaries which have taken the ‘Anglo-Saxon’ (i.e. North European) system as their model.

Which, by the way, was evolved in such away as to adhere, as far as possible, to the ‘rules of logic’, of which you keep showing your ignorance (or disregard).

Hence the presumption of innocence (and as a corollary, the requirement for proof of guilt), i.e. that one is not required to prove one’s innocence, IOW, one is not required to ‘prove a negative’ (remember that one?).

So you did not read the discussion about this. Somehow I am not surprised.

 

[stilicho]

Ahh, yes. That would be Knox’s early morning shop for bleach, to clean up the crime scene, for which “official sources” claimed the police had discovered receipts (this a day or two after Knox’ arrest) - of which this shopkeeper was, no doubt, aware.

Quintavalle's testimony proved that AK was not where she said she was, at the time she said she was there, in the early morning hours of 02 NOV 2007.

If you have evidence that his testimony was used to prove that she was buying bleach, cleaning up the crimescene, or anything else apart from time and place, then please cough it up.

 

[el buscador]

From Candace Dempsey's book, the Sollecito family started getting together to strategize their support for Raffaele in the spring of 2008. They knew from the previous November that there was no blood found on Raffaele's shoe. His cousin, 21 year old Annamaria, came up with the idea of counting and measuring the circles on the sole of the bloody footprint. The footprint had 11, Raffaele's shoe only 7. Their expert, Francesco Vinci, knew the police had found an empty Nike Outbreak 2s box at rudy's apartment. Raffaele's family went out and bought a pair and, as we all now know, the Outbreak 2s matched the bloody footprints and rudy confessed on May, 15, 2008 to wearing them the night of the murder.

Umm, a 21 year old solved the mystery of the bloody shoe prints. What happened to the professionals, the investigators and/or scientific police in this instance? What this girl did wasn't rocket science. Wasn't it obvious that the soles of Raffaele's Nikes absolutely did not match the bloody prints? All they had to do was count.

 

[stilicho]

In Italy, at minimum, audio recordings of interviews (which would be better called ‘interrogations’) of suspects are required.

We all agreed on that, too, since HB provided an example from an interview with an expert. We know that AK was not legally a suspect until well after she blurted out Patrick's name. Do you have anything more to offer than what we already agree upon?

AK's defence teams have better things to be concerned about than what happened between the time she was doing homework by the elevator and the time at which she legally became a suspect. More important to her appeal will be determining what she did and where she was on the evening of 01 NOV 2007.

 

[stilicho]

On one hand Amanda supporters say that her miscarriage of justice wouldn't happen in the United States, then they use cases tried in the United States (such as the "Norfolk Four") to show that miscarriages of justices happen....in the United States.

The most frequent argument I've heard is that none of the evidence against AK or RS would even be admissible in the USA. Why don't they say the same thing about the evidence against RG?

 

[stilicho]

Umm, a 21 year old solved the mystery of the bloody shoe prints. What happened to the professionals, the investigators and/or scientific police in this instance? What this girl did wasn't rocket science. Wasn't it obvious that the soles of Raffaele's Nikes absolutely did not match the bloody prints? All they had to do was count.

And yet, in spite of this amateur sleuthing by a neutral party (oh wait, by Sollecito's relatives!!!), Raffaele was found guilty and sentenced to a long prison term.

Either the Italian authorities are conspiring in the face of such overwhelming evidence of innocence or your story is missing a couple of important facts. By the way, how would rocket science be applicable to crime scene forensics?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Fulcanelli wrote "The FOA publicly announce that Rudy murdered Meredith and did so alone at every opportunity and their supporters do the same in various comments sections."

This statement was written by FOA because it is the truth. Rudy Guede murdered Meredith Kercher and he acted alone.

 

[el buscador]

stilicho, why didn't the police immediately know that Raffaele's shoes could not have made the bloody foot prints? Not enough fingers?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

And yet, in spite of this amateur sleuthing by a neutral party (oh wait, by Sollecito's relatives!!!), Raffaele was found guilty and sentenced to a long prison term.

Either the Italian authorities are conspiring in the face of such overwhelming evidence of innocence or your story is missing a couple of important facts. By the way, how would rocket science be applicable to crime scene forensics?

The simple point is, the authorities were using the shoe print to place Raffaele at the the scene of the crime. The shoe prints were not properly investigated. Of course when it was proven that all the prints belonged to Rudy Guede, The authorities went out and found the clasp. They did not investigate that piece of evidence properly either. Are you seeing the trend?

 

[quadraginta]

The most frequent argument I've heard is that none of the evidence against AK or RS would even be admissible in the USA.

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An assertion supported by the same utter lack of evidence that usually accompanies these sorts of claims.

In fact we have demonstrated quite clearly that all of her witness statements could and would be cheerfully employed by a U.S. prosecutor to her detriment, unlike the primitive justice in Italy.

That's just one example.

 

[el buscador]

How about you quadraginta, want to take a crack at why the police didn't know immediately that the bloody shoe prints weren't Raffaele's?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

The most frequent argument I've heard is that none of the evidence against AK or RS would even be admissible in the USA. Why don't they say the same thing about the evidence against RG?

The knife would most likely be thrown out of any court in the US or the UK. The Italian supreme court will throw it out if this case reaches that point.

The clasp would most likely be thrown out in the US because is was not handled properly.

The evidence collected against Rudy Guede is much more clear. He also admitted being at the scene of the crime.

It really has no relevance what other Countries would do. The crime occurred in Italy. I believe that on appeal we will see that Italy will agree with the unreliability of the knife and clasp. We will have to wait and see.

 

[bucketoftea]

Fulcanelli wrote "The FOA publicly announce that Rudy murdered Meredith and did so alone at every opportunity and their supporters do the same in various comments sections."

This statement was written by FOA because it is the truth. Rudy Guede murdered Meredith Kercher and he acted alone.

...I thought I must have accidentally gone to a much earlier page by accident. Had to check the date. While you've been asleep the defense has had to concede over the lone wolf interpretation.

 

[stilicho]

The knife would most likely be thrown out of any court in the US or the UK. The Italian supreme court will throw it out if this case reaches that point.

The clasp would most likely be thrown out in the US because is was not handled properly.

The evidence collected against Rudy Guede is much more clear. He also admitted being at the scene of the crime.

Are you just making this stuff up as you go? Regardless what country the crime occurred, one of the salient arguments of the FOA crowd is that the evidence against AK and RS would be thrown out in the USA. If you want to add that it will be thrown out in Italy, too, that's your choice.

How does it follow that the evidence against RG is any clearer or more likely to be admissible? There is absolutely no evidence against him for the staged burglary. That's just one example.

On what are you basing your claims? Is there something in the sentencing report?

 

[Alt+F4]

The most frequent argument I've heard is that none of the evidence against AK or RS would even be admissible in the USA.

In New York City the use of LCN DNA has been allowed.

A Queens Supreme Court Judge approved last week the use of a new type of DNA scan in a case involving a Guyanese man accused of killing a Jamaica woman who was set to testify against him in court.

Justice Robert Hanophy ruled Feb. 8 that the use of “Low Copy Number” DNA analysis was permissible in the government’s case against Hemant Megnath, who has been charged with first-degree murder.
Megnath, a Guyanese immigrant who lived in Brooklyn, was on trial in Brooklyn Supreme Court in 2007 for the alleged rape of Natasha Ramen, but he is accused of slashing the 20-year-old’s throat at her Jamaica home before she was going to take the stand against him, the Queens district attorney said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/queens_judge_case_use_jamaica_new_dxCMIjWlJqXITqrEmE1bPP#ixzz0nGyZvq00

Why don't they say the same thing about the evidence against RG?

Because according to them only Amanda an Raffaele are allowed to be confused or have their statements mean nothing important to the case.