Was Dick Oliver confused about what he heard on 9/11

jammonius said:
This poster keeps on claiming radar this and radar that.

Can posters or lurkers please remind this poster that key radar data was unavaible on 9/11 for a number of reasons including:

1--Military exercises and games simulating hijacking of planes;

2--Key radar installations that just so happened to be taken off line that day for maintenance.

3--The fact that radar can prove some things, but not others, like what actually hit the WTC, if anything did at all that could be picked up reliably by radar.

Beyond that, radar claims are possibly a derail. This doesn't mean we can't discuss radar, so I'm willing to go there if Beachnut is willing to be honest and specific about it. However, it might be better to do radar in another thread.

At most, we can do radar here for what happened at the North Tower, I would think.
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Not very often it seems.
 
AJM8125 said:
Hello lurker and welcome to the thread. Have you enjoyed your stay so far?
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I'm not sure one really enjoys a train wreck. It's more like being mesmerized.I simply refuse to believe a human being can be as thick as the Jam-man appears to be.
 
Resume said:
I'm not sure one really enjoys a train wreck. It's more like being mesmerized.I simply refuse to believe a human being can be as thick as the Jam-man appears to be.
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The more time spent here, the more you come to enjoy a good train wreck. Especially so if you're the one pushing the loon off his rails.
 
jammonius said:
However, seen below is the "big" image:

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Its advangage is:

1--Size and angle showing the overall shape as well as size of the hole in the structure as well as extent of fire at that particular time. The size of the hole enables us us to say that hole is too small to have absorbed a Boeing 767
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How big would you estimate that hole is?
 
1--Size and angle showing the overall shape as well as size of the hole in the structure as well as extent of fire at that particular time. The size of the hole enables us us to say that hole is too small to have absorbed a Boeing 767
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Jammo, really simple questions.....how wide were the WTC towers and what is the wingspan of a 767.?
Lets see if you can manage even that simple research. Link to your sources please.
 
jammonius said:
The above is simply not worthy of your potential level of analysis. You are not interpreting the data properly.

By 0923, teevee had already included the apparent "live" image and apparent teevee narration of the famous ""...there's another one..." declaration. Plus, by 0923, the whole thing had been solved and Osama binLaden had already been fingered as the culprit, I do believe.

Further, just think about DeVona's statement. It is impossible for confirmation to have consisted in anything other than what people were getting from teevee.

The problem is, teevee doesn't trump what people actually experienced and said.

I suppose the issue is, has been, and might for a long time continue to be, whether and to what extent people are willing to examine the role of teevee in the 9/11 PSYOP.

We saw this a little bit in the blacking out of the Dick Oliver video and in the selective us of witnesses. The one window on reality we had was taken from us. Right after OLPT, we were given filtered and selective witnesses, Sean, Rosa and Jim. Yet, all actual witnesses, including all in the Dick Oliver video were saying "explosion" and not plane.

The fact that Dick Oliver was blanked out and substituted with both the fuzzy image and witnesses who were saying things completely at odds with what those who were, more or less, right in front of the building were saying speaks volumes that what we were being exposed to was a PSYOP.

I have already said a survery of the 4 volumes of the PAPD statements, and you can look yourself, confirm that an overwhelming number of statements use the word "EXPLOSION" just like the actual responses from witnesses in the Dick Oliver video, and almost none claiming a plane and those that do claim a plane are either tentative or at a distance, for the most part.

Once again, here's a reminder of exactly when the window on reality was taken away:

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/AlbumOliver/blankoliver1.jpg?t=1273186704



I have already mentioned that there are witnesses like that. Reality is almost always a hodge-podge and is almost never completely one way or another. I was the one who called attention to this grouping of "smell" witnesses. Furthermore, the claim is that the K-9s smelled jet fuel. Now, goodness knows I respect K-9s and I am sure the K-9s smelled something, but really, ask yourself this:

How does a police officer know a dog is smelling jet fuel?

Does the dog bark a certain number of times if it's jet fuel and a different number if it's some other substance?

All we can know from our K-9 partners is that something they have been trained to respond to is present. As to what it is, people have to find it. There was no evidence that people could point to for purposes of claiming jet fuel.

Come on, put your thinking cap on please ;)

Keep in mind, too, that of all the human senses, our sense of smell is our weakest and least reliable.



As jet fuel is functionally equivalent to and interchangable with kerosene and heating oil, all oil heated buildings do, in fact, contain the functional equivalent of jet fuel.

So, indeed, I can field that one.
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jammonius, no matter how much you twist, turn, shimmy, shake, backpeddle, twirl, shuffle and jive the reality of what those pictures shows will not change.

Obviously the large pic gives the best detail, regardless of hue, of the impact site which clearly shows that something entered the building. This is obvious because the material at the impact site is clearly bent inward. Trying to claim a blurry screenshot from a youtube video shows the best detail is disingenuous at best.

I've been lurking here for a while and have reached one conclusion, if word salad had nutritional content your posts in this thread alone would solve world hunger.

DEW'd, leave the damned horse alone!
 
Resume said:
I'm not sure one really enjoys a train wreck. It's more like being mesmerized.I simply refuse to believe a human being can be as thick as the Jam-man appears to be.
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It is hard to believe,but it appears to be true.
 
dafydd said:
It is hard to believe,but it appears to be true.
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Well nothing from him today yet.....maybe he has had an epiphany and finally see the world as all the rest of us do, or maybe he took our advice and went saw the Doc. We can only hope
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sheeplesnshills said:
Well nothing from him today yet.....maybe he has had an epiphany and finally see the world as all the rest of us do, or maybe he took our advice and went saw the Doc. We can only hope
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Not likely.

Next I fully expect jammonius to introduce a "witness" who, though in his mother's womb while she was evacutated from the WTC, has distinct pre-natal memories of explosions but not of anything that sounded like an airplane, proving that there was no plane.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Well nothing from him today yet.....maybe he has had an epiphany and finally see the world as all the rest of us do, or maybe he took our advice and went saw the Doc. We can only hope
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Jammonious will be back with another dose of delusion.
 
jammonius said:
This poster keeps on claiming radar this and radar that.
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RADAR confirms flights 11 and 175 impacted the WTC towers, making and delusions you make up about Dick Oliver lies.

jammonius said:
Can posters or lurkers please remind this poster that key radar data was unavaible on 9/11 for a number of reasons including:
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This is a delusional lie like jet engine parts being Plymouth Wheel Covers; a lie made up by jammonius; why?

jammonius said:
1--Military exercises and games simulating hijacking of planes;
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Sorry, RADAR still has 11 and 175 tracked, no exercises by the Military interfered with RADAR.

jammonius said:
2--Key radar installations that just so happened to be taken off line that day for maintenance.
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The FAA RADAR was working, jammonius has not idea what was going on 911 and makes up lies due to lack of knowledge. RADARs.

jammonius said:
3--The fact that radar can prove some things, but not others, like what actually hit the WTC, if anything did at all that could be picked up reliably by radar.
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Flight 11 and 175 were tracked to the WTC towers at the exact times of impact. Oops.

jammonius said:
Beyond that, radar claims are possibly a derail. This doesn't mean we can't discuss radar, so I'm willing to go there if Beachnut is willing to be honest and specific about it. However, it might be better to do radar in another thread.
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RADAR proves your conclusions on what Dick Oliver heard on 911 are false and based on your own delusions about 911 like fuselage parts being a horse trailer.

jammonius said:
At most, we can do radar here for what happened at the North Tower, I would think.
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False. With RADAR data you can figure out what Dick Oliver heard. It is called evidence.
 
Could it be that the horse is finally being allowed to rest in peace?.....

http://www.topchinatours.com/Fotos/...g/White-Horse-Pagoda/White-Horse-Pagoda-1.jpg

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Edited. Please do not hotlink images. See Rule 5.

Legend has it that a prominent monk about 1350 years ago rode a horse to Fusan, which is now Japan, to help spread Buddhism. On his way, his cherished white horse died in Dunhuang. He was so disconsolate that he buried the horse and built a pagoda in memory of it.
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I imagine somebody in jammonius' condition has to have some sort of downtime, probably spent standing with a bucket over his head until somebody sings Jerusalem. Lets see if we can coax him out:

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountain green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
 
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