The war against porn

Bell said:
That's a straw man if I ever saw one.
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Is it though? His argument is, that as long as there are worse crimes out there, we should not worry about weaker ones. My argument directly argues against that.
 
Careyp74 said:
Is it though? His argument is, that as long as there are worse crimes out there, we should not worry about weaker ones. My argument directly argues against that.
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The argument is that the federal court system is spending resources on prosecuting a certain adult porn movie creator, even though what is produced by him is not illegal. The prosecutor is only trying to set a precedent imho.

Child porn on the other hand, is illegal, and should be fought with all available resources. Those include the resources now waisted on prosecuting John Stagliano.
 
Bell said:
The argument is that the federal court system is spending resources on prosecuting a certain adult porn movie creator, even though what is produced by him is not illegal. The prosecutor is only trying to set a precedent imho.
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The convictions seem to indicate that the porn produced by him is illegal, as otherwise they wouldn't get obscenity convictions.
Child porn on the other hand, is illegal, and should be fought with all available resources. Those include the resources now waisted on prosecuting John Stagliano.
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True child porn is more illegal than just being lumped into the vague class of obscenity.

Interestingly I have heard John Waters claim that Pink Flamingos has never won an obsenity lawsuit, it always gets banned.
 
I can't define pornography, but I recognize it when I download it from the internet.
 
The funny thing is that there is no exception in the constitution for porn. It's blatantly not illegal because the constitution guarantees freedom of the press. Of course the courts have decided to interpret it differently. The constitution is pretty much toilet paper at this point anyway.
 
If one was to survey the political and legal community that is fighting pornography, what is your guess of the percentage that have viewed pornography (outside of teenage curiosity)?

50% 80% All?
 
Giggywig said:
Well considering how they are treated on camera, either he pays very well or treats them very well. Otherwise it's hard to explain how he finds actresses.
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Oh, I don't think that's true. I think that most porn stars these days make a lot less than you would imagine.

These are people who don't think long-term. They could be drug addicts and this is an easy way to get enough for a few fixes. Or people who are easily manipulated and intimidated by a guy like Max Hardcore, who is kind of scary. Some people are just submissive and accept what they are offered because they aren't confident enough to question what they are told.
 
What exactly is a puppy cow? Is it a puppy which looks like a cow? A miniature puppy sized cow? Did a dog and cow interbreed?

I think I like puppy sized cow the best
 
barrymore said:
If one was to survey the political and legal community that is fighting pornography, what is your guess of the percentage that have viewed pornography (outside of teenage curiosity)?

50% 80% All?
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NewtonTrino said:
99.99% of the men.
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Based on the assumption that 0.01% have been totally blind since at least early childhood.
 
Puppycow said:
Oh, I don't think that's true. I think that most porn stars these days make a lot less than you would imagine.
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To be taken with the usual grain of salt due any Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor):

Most male performers in straight porn are paid less than their female costars. Ron Jeremy has commented on the pay scale of women and men of the sex film industry: "The average guy gets $300 to $400 a scene, or $100 to $200 if he's new. A woman makes $100,000 to $250,000 at the end of the year.[9] "Girls can easily make 100K-250K per year, plus stuff on the side like strip shows and appearances. The average guy makes $40,000 a year."[10]
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Puppycow said:
Oh, I don't think that's true. I think that most porn stars these days make a lot less than you would imagine.
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Already countered by someone else in the thread...

These are people who don't think long-term. They could be drug addicts and this is an easy way to get enough for a few fixes. Or people who are easily manipulated and intimidated by a guy like Max Hardcore, who is kind of scary. Some people are just submissive and accept what they are offered because they aren't confident enough to question what they are told.
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Excuse me? You need to go read some of the other threads there have been on pornography here. None of the above is even remotely accurate as a general statement about the porn industry. And it's an extremely insulting characterization of those of us who have actually done porn. You might consider not painting with such a broad brush (the one above happens to be about as broad as a barn) in future.
 
Anyway, who actually opposes porn just because they feel bad for the workers? What are they, communists? Do the people who use that excuse also feel bad for fruit pickers and slaughterhouse operators? Those jobs are exploitative and horrible, too.

Personally, I characterize all "oh, think of the poor workers!" spiels trotted out against porn as being 100% smokescreen. Nobody gives a damn about the workers, it's the work and the products of that work they object to, and they're just trying not to sound like the massive squares they are.
 
If there's a war against porn, I am going to start a new "red cross" foundation to help the wounded.
 
Genesius -- about porn and your avatar...

P.S.

I first tried finding that image, which I recalled having seen on a humor blog (see link), foolishly, by googling "sheep AND porn" in google images.

Baaaaaaa-aaaaaaaad idea.
 
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Skeptic said:
If there's a war against porn, I am going to start a new "red cross" foundation to help the wounded.
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Join my organization: Friends Against Porn. We FAP every Wednesday at 9p in the basement of the community center.
 
Genesius said:
Hmmm. . . for some reason the links on that page don't work for me.
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It's an "amazon.com" ad:

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