Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Ok, this discussion has devolved into throwing online feces at one another. Can someone PM me when the english translation of the motivations comes out?
 
Mary_H said:
Amanda did not say the trial was fair. I believe this myth is discussed on injusticeinperugia and several other sites.
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It's a while since the was a hot topic. Doesn't it come down to the Italian MP saying she said the trial was fair, and then her family saying "no, no, she never said that and anyway he tricked her into speaking to him"? If I've got it wrong, I'm happy to do a bit of legwork to refresh my memory. If not, it isn't really true to say that she didn't say it, just that it is in the vast sea of contested facts.
 
Danceme said:
It was a shelf toilet and the feces were still there, not sunk or even fallen lower down.
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It looks like a standard toilet to my and not like a Shelf Toilet. (caution, images show real use)


I can't post links yet but maybe someone can confirm if this picture is real or not because if it is how could anyone think they had sunk and were no longer visible.
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I believe Raffaele stated that Amanda may have looked from the door the second time and from that angle the bowl could have looked empty. Raffaele's statement that the feces may have sunk is both speculation on his part because he had not seen it prior and could be a translation issue that he is not talking about it sinking as in becoming waterlogged and no longer floating but simply sliding down further into the bowl



Danceme said:
Can someone please tell me how to jump to a particular post number, or how to search by post #, thank you.
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Click the little triangle
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Note that these post numbers can change if moderators have to clean a thread so don't assume that you can use them as a permanent reference.
 
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Mary H: The Daily Mail. Article by Nick Pisa. quote: The trial was fair. I am not happy with the verdict, but my lawyers are appealing it. end quote. You do come across as agressive, Mary, whether you can see that or not. It is your right to believe so wholeheartedly in Amanda's innocence. But, it doesn,t help the cause, imo, to throw out suppositions, accusations, without legitimate proof. I mean Mary, it puts your crdibility to the test when you say that Amanda is not responsible for Patrick being arrested. That's one instance. And Mary, I tried REALLY, REALLY hard, to see sexual arousement in the police, and I have to tell ya, if guys were interested in me that way, I,d be very disappointed in what I see in those photos. BTW, Is that a big red bucket in one of the photos:)
 
Montmorency writes:

Police in Italy are real men,

And if you don't believe it, read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4332954.stm

"Wednesday's trial concerned the treatment of those who were arrested and taken to a detention camp at Bolzaneto, 6km (4 miles) outside Genoa.

"Here they were allegedly beaten again, sprayed with asphyxiating gas and forced to sing pro-Fascist songs."
 
Hi, I'm new to this board and not so good at using it so please excuse my inadequacies. Right now I just have a quick question for those you who have been members for some time. A friend of mine recently applied to JREF and his application was rejected, not once but twice. My friend says no answer was given as to why the rejection was given. Does anyone know why applications are rejected? When I applied it seemed fairly straight forward so I'm really curious.
 
I just reread the InjusticeInPerugia entry about the "the trial was fair" claim. It does come down to her family saying that it wasn't so, but of course they can't prove that. Bruce also says that the original (false) quote was "correct" not "fair". He provides no cite for this. Whether the original quote from Walter Verini was in Italian, or English isn't clear. I'm going to try and find it.
 
I have no idea, el buscador: but the question will likely not be seen in this thread. You could post it in the questions sub forum at Forum Management: or you could PM one of the admins, Lisa Simpson or Darat. You will find them in the members list at the top
 
el buscador said:
Hi, I'm new to this board and not so good at using it so please excuse my inadequacies. Right now I just have a quick question for those you who have been members for some time. A friend of mine recently applied to JREF and his application was rejected, not once but twice. My friend says no answer was given as to why the rejection was given. Does anyone know why applications are rejected? When I applied it seemed fairly straight forward so I'm really curious.
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Could you give us a clue as to what the application was? Normally you have to have media presence, so that might have been it. Some people want to apply without filling in the form. Some people fail to state what their claim is in terms that make it testable. There is a forum that is dedicated to the claims process:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8
 
Oh. Reading Shuttit's reply I think I may have misunderstood el buscador: If s/he was applying to take the challenge then what I have told you is wrong: go with what Shuttit says: I thought you meant s/he was applying to join the forum: if that is correct then my route is probably what you want
 
Httit: Amanda made the comment about the trial being fair from her cell in Capanne. She made the statement to MP Walter Virini.
 
shuttlt said:
It's a while since the was a hot topic. Doesn't it come down to the Italian MP saying she said the trial was fair, and then her family saying "no, no, she never said that and anyway he tricked her into speaking to him"? If I've got it wrong, I'm happy to do a bit of legwork to refresh my memory. If not, it isn't really true to say that she didn't say it, just that it is in the vast sea of contested facts.
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You are not wrong shuttit. I read a couple of days ago an account of this. I can look for the article if you like. There were two times she said the trial was fair apparently. Once was this time to the MP. and another time when another visitor came to speak with her, but the family tried to cover this up too I believe. I think Amanda recognises that she was given a good and thorough trial.

Incidently I apologise for my anger on here. I get very upset about this issue as you can see, when things untrue are said for a joke. I apologise to other posters than Mary for being a disruption. And I apologise to the moderators if I broke the rules. I will behave! And I will report racism in future, not try to challenge it myself. This is best.

And yes, there are many cases of terrible treatment of prisoners by the US authorities which the world knows about. I did not want to mention this shame of the United States here, but the prisoners in Cuba were tortured and sexually abused - not a little slap on the head and no sandwiches! Many of them were innocent and had no trial at all! This is real abuse of prisoners, so the criticism of Italy is seeming a little one sided to me from so many Americans.
 
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