Was Dick Oliver confused about what he heard on 9/11

[CompusMentus]

Jim Friedl is, then, a bozo and is a part of the 9/11 psyop, according to many. His story does not hold up under scrutiny and he is, indeed, yet another who should be included with Sean Murtagh and Rosa Cardona Rivera. Fake and phoney witnesses, orchestrated by and for the psyop.

And here we have it folks, this is what constitutes "proof" in trutherworld.

He cites, as support, the work of people who accused a man of knowingly sending his own young son to a terrible death on 9/11.

Jam is either insane or another liar and fraud out to make a few bucks selling dvd's to the ignorant and the gullible. Or both.


Compus

 

[Macgyver1968]

He relies on his 4 witnesses that he has twisted their words to fit his delusional fantasy...but discounts the countless people who saw the second plane crash into the tower. It's not even worth a response anymore. Resorting to calling witnesses that counter his delusion as "bozos" and claim they are in on it shows just how mental ill he is.

 

[jammonius]

How is it miraculous he saw both? If had seen the first from across the the river I'm pretty sure I would have kept watching the drama unfold.....what do you think he should have done instead?

The above is nonsense.

Here we have a thread questioning whether or not Dick Oliver was confused by what he heard, thus confirming that for him, from a vantage point of 1000ft below a supposed jetliner @ 500mph, he didn't know what it was. Several other witnesses gave differing versions of what happened, centering on "bomb" or "explosion." The various verifiable witnesses within the 503 First Responders, of which, only a small percentage saw or heard something associated with the first explosion conflict with one another and are unsure.

And then there's Our Bozo who saw and heard everything perfectly for both explosions, tracking the imaginary jet paths exactly and who knew, right away, exactly why the Twin Towers self-annihilated in 10 seconds each.

That is rich.

 

[jammonius]

OK please show us how it is "verified"?




Word salad




You don't know, because you are mentally ill.....but almost everyone else in the world does know.

The above is a stupid post. Will you get with the program and stop playing stupid-question games and stupid diagnostic games, please.

 

[jammonius]

He relies on his 4 witnesses that he has twisted their words to fit his delusional fantasy...but discounts the countless people who saw the second plane crash into the tower. It's not even worth a response anymore. Resorting to calling witnesses that counter his delusion as "bozos" and claim they are in on it shows just how mental ill he is.

That's a cheap shot, Macgyver. Why?

 

[jammonius]

... having an exercise going has evaluators on hand who augment the response to a real world event like 911 and thus having aircraft up and on CAP for the first time over our cities. Who makes up the delusions about exercises? Exposes a lack of logic and knowledge.

We know exactly what happen on 911 because it was documented. We know exactly who did 911 and where they died on 911.

From the video there is absolute proof of an airliner, the frequency response is that of a an airliner (time of sound of impact and sound traveling through the ground verify an aircraft impact at the WTC). RADAR verifies the exact time and location of the airliner to augment the unique sound spectrum. Eyewitnesses and video verify the same.

Dick Oliver was not confused what he heard on 911 after he had all the evidence. If you think jet engines are wheel covers, you might be unable to figure out 911; you prefer delusions and to remain in ignorance.

Your speculation on the nature of the military exercises that caused military personnel to ask, out loud, "...is this EXERCISE or is this REAL WORLD?..." is weak, speculative and unpersuasive.

Try again.

 

[jammonius]

Oh well thats conclusive then...NOT!



They are absolute unadulterated tripe! Name one thing they got right....just one!



You have not shown that any of them are not exactly who they claimed to be or that they did not see what they saw. Please provide proof of what you assert or shut up.

Please stop engaging in stupid posting tactics.

 

[Oystein]

That's a cheap shot, Macgyver. Why?

Uhmmm that was a cheap shot:

Even PLANE SPOTTING, true believers in the common storyline should have called you to task for the insipid, weak nature of the above comment.
Do better next time.
sheesh

and that was a cheap shot:

Jim Friedl?
Is'nt he the booz...

And that was a cheap shot:

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Give up posters. It's not conclusive, you can still "believe" in the common storyline as it is "postulated" if you want to.
But, sooner or later, reality is likely to begin to invade your illusion.
Behold, the bus!

That was a particularly cheap shot:

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9/11 was verifiably conducted on the basis of uber secrecy. ...

Here's a singularly cheap shot:

The above is nonsense.
...
And then there's Our Bozo who saw and heard everything perfectly for both explosions, tracking the imaginary jet paths exactly and who knew, right away, exactly why the Twin Towers self-annihilated in 10 seconds each.

That is rich.

And another very cheap shot:

The above is a stupid post. Will you get with the program and stop playing stupid-question games and stupid diagnostic games, please.

 

[twinstead]

Please stop engaging in stupid posting tactics.

pssssssst. Jam. That's what YOU do.

 

[twinstead]

That's a cheap shot, Macgyver. Why?

And by the way, why is it a cheap shot to remind everybody how much evidence and eye witness accounts you are totally ignoring because they don't support your position?

 

[jammonius]

Uhmmm that was a cheap shot:



and that was a cheap shot:



And that was a cheap shot:



That was a particularly cheap shot:



Here's a singularly cheap shot:



And another very cheap shot:

Well done, Oystein. Doesn't it feel much better to say something about posts, rather than engage in improper, emotionally driven and self-revelatory comments about posters?

You can call my posts cheap-shots all day long if you like.

By the way, in one at the earlier part of this thread, (post # 204) I posted up proof that the same sound heard in the 1:16 video is also heard in the second video at the 7:15 mark +/-, where a bus is also seen in the background. It is interesting to note that NO POSTER has sought to comment upon, let alone try to refute that important comment, confirming the sound in the Dick Oliver videos that posters tried so desparately to link to the sound of a jetliner has been thoroughly and convincingly refuted.

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5882308&postcount=204

Here's what I said that posters have failed to respond to:

However, before we lost Dick Oliver for good, we did get one additional clinching piece of information.

The bus seen in the back of Our Lady PT is clearly and loudly heard. Not as loud, mind you, as when the camera was on the curb next to two buses, but loud enough to know that the buses remain the leading candidate for the sound heard in the 1:16 video.

Plus, the noise of the traffic was mentioned in various places in the second Dick Oliver video by both Oliver and Ryan. Finally, Dick Oliver's description of what he heard that he tried, at one time or another, to match to a plane, but which he ended up saying, in substance, was inconclusive to him, clearly did not match the sound heard. Oliver described in one instance a wishhh, in another a screech and in a third a wail.

Finally, at the 7:15 mark of the second video, as seen right behind Our Lady, we hear the same sound again as heard in the 1:16 video.


Once again, this is the witness referred to above, note the bus:

 

[Oystein]

And by the way, why is it a cheap shot to remind everybody how much evidence and eye witness accounts you are totally ignoring because they don't support your position?

Because an expensive shot isn't needed.

I once needed to replace the drive shaft on my 1970 Cadillac deVille (pink, convertible). After some adventures in rural California and through Arizona, I finally found one at a junk yard in Albuquerque.
Exchanging the drive shaft on an old big block GM car is so stunningly easy, that the junk yard owner had his 11 year old son do it for me. It cost me 10 dollars (parts and time).

I think we should hire a 11-year old and give him 10 bucks to deal cheap shots to jammo, and get on with our lives.

 

[Oystein]

Well done, Oystein. [...ws...]
You can call my posts cheap-shots all day long if you like.

It's actually fun. Well, not much, but a bit

By the way, in one at the earlier part of this thread, (post # 204) I posted up proof

no, you never did anything resembling that

[...ws...]
Here's what I said that posters have failed to respond to:

However, [...bla bla bla purple bold...]
[...bla bla bla in size 4...]

Hey jammo, this all word salad, worthless, but you sure coloured and sized it impressively.
I can do that too!

 

[TJM]

It is interesting to note that NO POSTER has sought to comment upon, let alone try to refute that important comment, confirming the sound in the Dick Oliver videos that posters tried so desparately to link to the sound of a jetliner has been thoroughly and convincingly refuted.

Dick Oliver refutes you.

At first I though it was a plane

I suggest you light a candle and pray to Our Lady of the Subway. Perhaps by her divine wisdom she'll grant you another LOGJAM thread by immaculate deception.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Deluded jam ... a new flavour

jammonius, I am one of the fabled "lurkers" you are always so keen to address ... and I must say I have NEVER seen anyone engaged in such convoluted and labyrinthine mental gymnastics as you.

You are desprerately ... and I do mean desperately ... trying to find ANY tiny little chink of doubt from those here to pounce upon, which you will doubtlessly loudly trumpet as some sort of (albeit hollow) victory.

Your wee Dick Oliver video is not the ONLY piece of evidence ...

You are engaged in this (ultimately futile) parody of a quest to find anything (however feeble) to bolster your "claims" and will jump on it claiming victory ...

But THOUSANDS ... jam, THOUSANDS ... of people witnessed LIVE with their own eyes and ears those events ...

Endless and pointless debates about decibel levels and speeds mean nothing ... they do not detract from the simple physical reality of aircraft hitting those Towers ... an event WITNESSED in real time by real people ... thousands of them ...

They can't all be wrong, and you right because your not entirely convinced by ONE video ... your abstract and circuitous reasonings don't count.

Seriously !!!

You are simply never going to be able to convince anyone with even half a brain of your logic, for it isn't logic ... it's desperation and even us fabled lurkers see and recognise it ... your just wrong jam ... period !!!

Everybody and their mothers KNOW that without a doubt it was an aircraft ... your tortuous, mental tumblings will not change that.

Although new here ... and have no wish to tread on twoofie toes (yet) jam seems to be tying himself up into some endless Gordian knot here with his inane ramblings ... anyone up for administering the required bold stroke ???

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Hi, to everybody else ... much respect for what you do ... sending you all a virtual dram to ease the pain of suffering fools ...

 

[Oystein]

...
... sending you all a virtual dram to ease the pain of suffering fools ...

Can you make that two? Or six?
I like it peaty. Thanks!

 

[TJM]

Well there you are, jammonius. Yet anthor satisfied customer.

Greetings lurker and welcome. Thanks for your input.

 

[Macgyver1968]

That's a cheap shot, Macgyver. Why?

Not a cheap shot Jam...just my opinion. I've played along with your delusions for long enough. They are waste of my time. Clearly, to me, and to pretty much everyone else who reads your post have come to the same conclusion that you are not mental well. Your latest bit about insulting witnesses who contradict your delusions was just the final straw for me. Whatever chemical imbalance that's going on in your brain won't allow you to see clearly. No amount of logic or evidence will ever sway you....your condition won't allow it.

I mean this in the nicest way....seek help from a mental health professional. Many conditions are treatable with therapy and medication.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Can you make that two? Or six?
I like it peaty. Thanks!

Laphroaig do, that's my favourite.

Your very welcome ...

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Well there you are, jammonius. Yet anthor satisfied customer.

Greetings lurker and welcome. Thanks for your input.

Yes, even for us "lurkers" ... he is just another deluded, overly self-superior twoof engaging in endless semantics.

Thanks for welcome, been following you all for quite some time, but I have been doing my own wee bit of de-bunking before, firstly on Bebo, which was easy as they mostly ill-informed teenagers ... whom wholly sucked up all the LC and Zeitgeist guff.

I have even (shameless claim to fame here) engaged with the infamous Heiwa, over at TruTV,... where he was very quickly banned and is now reduced to ATS, and the cesspit that is AWE ... shame that ...