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Noah's Ark found?

154 said:
Are you serious? Are you blind? Look at almost every response to me.

None of the posts have been removed.
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I think you would find that if you put Complexity on ignore, the level of hostility you perceive would drop by an order of magnitude.

It's not that I'm saying there is no hostility. I've experienced it myself. I'm occasionally known around here as a local religious apologist. I'm not religious, but I think religion is not a bad thing, and certainly not responsible for all the world's evil. Expressing that opinion draws the ire of some, and some of it gets rather nasty. During that interaction, it can seem as if JREF is filled with a horde of nasty, vicious people. In reality, what is happening is that the personal attacks of a few are masking the intelligent conversation of the many.
 
Schrodinger's Cat said:
And you would need each specific food for each animal and MANY animals can only eat a specific kind of food, like koalas with eucalyptice, as someone pointed out. And then with the carnivores, You would need to keep animals to feed them, and food to feed THOSE animals.And remember you'd need to keep all the freshwater fish on the ark too, how were they stored? What about bugs? Each bug would have it's own individual compartment. Think of how
Many bugs there are. And some of THOSE bugs are carnivorous, so you'd need to keep bugs to feed other bugs.
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Not to mention passenger pigeons, who won't breed unless they're in large flocks.

And the problem that each pair would need to survive to a successful breeding after being released--despite the fact that their predators were being released nearby. What did the carnivores eat until the prey worked up to the point of having excess offspring?

I read the link that was provided in answer to this, and it still doesn't answer the other question that's always puzzled me (besides how Noah made the grand tour to pick up all the animals from kangaroos to polar bears)--what about the bacteria?

How did he transport smallpox and syphillis and cholera all the obscure germs that need specific hosts among various species?

I just don't see how anyone can put more than a minute's thought into the story and still believe it.
 
As I’ve pointed out before the Noah flood myth is a complete slap in the face to Christian belief.
If you are an adult who clings to such fairy tales you are an idiot.
If you find it appealing to worship a god that would commit such acts of prejudging and murder then you need to seek a mental health professional right away, you are probably a psychopath, and should be locked up.
 
This guy thinks it's a fraud

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-Issues/2010/0428/Doubt-cast-on-Noah-s-ark-found-in-Turkey

A group of Kurdish workers “are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. … During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film,”
 
timhau said:
In 2007 a company called Airbus built a jet airliner that was also mighty big.

Oh, the relevance to Noah's Ark, you ask? Same as Brunel's steamship. Zero.
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The relevance is-as I understand it-in choosing the same dimensional ratios as the ark. The author is referring to the seaworethiness.

BTW
Is your incomprehension genuine? Sorry for my doubt but I've never encountered this type of phenomenon before.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I think you would find that if you put Complexity on ignore, the level of hostility you perceive would drop by an order of magnitude.

It's not that I'm saying there is no hostility. I've experienced it myself. I'm occasionally known around here as a local religious apologist. I'm not religious, but I think religion is not a bad thing, and certainly not responsible for all the world's evil. Expressing that opinion draws the ire of some, and some of it gets rather nasty. During that interaction, it can seem as if JREF is filled with a horde of nasty, vicious people. In reality, what is happening is that the personal attacks of a few are masking the intelligent conversation of the many.
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Religion may not be responsible for all the worlds evils but the problems caused by religion are great. The world would be better off without it. Not perfect but better off.
 
kedo1981 said:
As I’ve pointed out before the Noah flood myth is a complete slap in the face to Christian belief.
If you are an adult who clings to such fairy tales you are an idiot.
If you find it appealing to worship a god that would commit such acts of prejudging and murder then you need to seek a mental health professional right away, you are probably a psychopath, and should be locked up.
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Psychopath?--Idiot?

You really are unaware that name-calling comes under the category of fallacious reasoning and that its use is indicative of person doesn't have leg to stand on? Are you also aware that it's against forum rules and you can be banned for it?
 
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PBTree said:
No need for carbon dating, just a DNA test on the wood..It will be easy to prove.

Using the suggested 40000 animals, let say on average they do 2 ounces of poo per day each, thats 80000 ounces or about 2 and a quarter tons of poo per day in the bottom of that "ark".
Don't know how anyone could get rid of that much poo on a daily basis for a year but it surely would have soaked into the wood. Test the wood for poo, if you can find poo from any animal other than something that is or was local (platypus, alpaca ?), I will open my eyes a bit wider.
Whole place would have smelt like a two-hole toilet in the outback.

Suggest the only poo they will find, will be from the well known Bull.

Plus, the statement that the wood is in great condition, would mean that lots and lots and lots and lots of hair will still be there. Possibly another DNA test subject. :rolleyes:
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You know what I'm really looking for? I'm looking for detailed relevant responses to the explanations provided for the livability of the ark. You know, like the ventilation solution. Anyone want to refute the solution that was provided? Now that would be interesting to read and not this constant monotonous prmieval mindleess and endless chanting.



Noah's Ark Feasabilty Study
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=402
 
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Radrook said:
You know what I'm really looking for? I'm looking for detailed relevant responses to the explanations provided for the livability of the ark. You know, like the ventilation solution. Anyone want to refute the solution that was provided? Now that would be interesting to read and not this constant monotonous prmieval mindleess and endless chanting.



Noah's Ark Feasabilty Study
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=402
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The earlier texts describing the Ark, have it a much more believable size
have you read them ?
 
TimCallahan said:
Here's a thorough, if indirect, pass / fail test for the story of Noah's ark:

Since all land life, or at least all land fauna, would have dispersed from Mr. Ararat, or at least the mountains of Ararat (i. e. Urartu, the Hurrian kingdom that eventually became what is now Armenia), then patterns of genetic drift for a variety of animal types, such as, say, the great cats or the cat family in general, whose genomes could be recorded, should show the same pattern of genetic drift, all leading back to the region of Ararat. Show that consistent pattern across the globe and you will have gone a long way toward proving the truth of the dispersal of land life from the ark's resting place in the mountains of Ararat.

However, the question I would put to Radrock and 154 is this: Will you accept the story of the dispersal of all land fauna from the ark in Ararat disproven if such patterns of genetic drift fail to materialize? If not, why not?

Of course you would still have to explain how it was that. starting in Armenia, the marsupials, with the exception of the opossum, all ended up in Australia, with none left on places like Madagascar or anywhere in the Eurasian continent. That pattern of genetic drift alone will be a problem.
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My belief in an ID doesn't depend on biblical veracity.
 
Radrook said:
You know what I'm really looking for? I'm looking for detailed relevant responses to the explanations provided for the livability of the ark. You know, like the ventilation solution. Anyone want to refute the solution that was provided? Now that would be interesting to read and not this constant monotonous prmieval mindleess and endless chanting.



Noah's Ark Feasabilty Study
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=402
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Solution provided where? Your link provides no solutions, only broad conclusions.
 
Radrook said:
My belief in an ID doesn't depend on biblical veracity.
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So why in the world do you keep pushing this flooder nonsense?

And to confirm your above statement, here, repeat after me:

The biblical flood is a myth. It didn't happen.
 
Radrook said:
You know what I'm really looking for? I'm looking for detailed relevant responses to the explanations provided for the livability of the ark. You know, like the ventilation solution. Anyone want to refute the solution that was provided? Now that would be interesting to read and not this constant monotonous prmieval mindleess and endless chanting.

Noah's Ark Feasabilty Study
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=402
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What about my post #342?

Many of the objections are ones that sites don't choose to address at all.

How do you get passenger pigeons to breed when there are only two (or even a dozen)?

How do you keep it cold enough for the polar bears and warm enough for the tropical animals?

How do you pick up the polar bears and the tropical animals in time?

Do you bring additional sick animals to host the different species of bacteria and parasites and if so, how do you keep those animals from infecting the others?
 
Pup said:
What about my post #342?

Many of the objections are ones that sites don't choose to address at all.

How do you get passenger pigeons to breed when there are only two (or even a dozen)?

How do you keep it cold enough for the polar bears and warm enough for the tropical animals?

How do you pick up the polar bears and the tropical animals in time?

Do you bring additional sick animals to host the different species of bacteria and parasites and if so, how do you keep those animals from infecting the others?
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I'm referring to going to a website. Reading one of the counterarguments and then attempting a rebuttal. THat's far more interesting than having to read the "HA! H! HA! they are wrong!" comments which require no deep thought whatsoever.
 
Radrook said:
I'm referring to going to a website. Reading one of the counterarguments and then attempting a rebuttal. THat's far more interesting than having to read the "HA! H! HA! they are wrong!" comments which require no deep thought whatsoever.
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So show me a website where the questions I asked are addressed. I can't rebut an argument that I haven't seen presented.
 
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