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The Man said:
Doron your claim was “belongs AND does not belong”. NXOR is not the same as AND. FALSE AND FALSE is FALSE. While FALSE NXOR FLASE is TRUE. Are you now changing your “Non-locality” ascription claim?
1) “belongs AND does not belong” is true if it is related to non-local element.

2) “belongs NXOR does not belong” is a generalization of Non-locality, whether we deal with emptiness or fullness (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16542245/OMPT pages 29-30).

3) Your thoughts-only indirect reasoning can't get that.
 
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You are invited to see the practical benefits of the no-self as the common base ground for ids, as explained, for example, here:

http://www.tm.org/tm-news-archives

(Please press on the top-right blue area, named by "TM presentation")

I'm not into that particular school of meditation, and find some of its claims bogus (the Levitation thing they used to push, for example).
But I do frequently employ mantra recitation in my meditation sessions.
The mantra being just the single syllable, "Ah."
Usually after a time of doing that, I then just sit paying attention.
 
Apathia your last post is a “state of the art” reply.

No-self (The trunk) is the state that enables any particular manifestation (some id) to fully be expressed and be developed in the presence of other ids, such that the difference between the ids does not lead to any tendency to eliminate the diversity of present ids.

That has no id is the transparent base ground, that enables the optimal terms for different ids to be developed as different ids, without suppressing each others ids, exactly because the no-self is the common base ground of any id.

Every significant item of communication always needs some qualification.
Especially when we use analogies, metaphors, and figures of speech.

"Trunk and Branches" is away of picturing the idea.
When I say "No-Self" is the Trunk, I'm not saying No-Self is some kind of stuff or thought-stuff thoughts are made of.
It's just an open space of potentiality and possibility. (and "space" is also just a metaphor.)

The same with calling "No-Self" the "ground."
It's not some solid things are standing on.

"The Trunk" is the potential for perspective or relating.
To use another analogy, it's the theater.

The two "Branches" are
The Stage and The Players who appear and dissappear from the stage.

The Theater is the potential of change and transcendence, prior to the non-locality of the stage and the changing locality of the players.

The Trunk is Groundless.
Allowing for a branch that pays attention to a non-local ground
And allowing a branch that pays attention to objects making locations.

The Theater is empty, groundless, space beyond the concept of location.
It has no place or identity. It is nothing to be separated from something else.
(Even though this analogy must make a distinction).
Then there are the Stage and the Players (Including props)

The Stage is the perspective or focusing upon a field of empty space where the players are and then aren't. If the Theater is pure Non-Locality, the stage is a kind of local non-locality for the players, since it stages their changing localities.

The Players is the focus upon the changing objects on the stage and the changing localities they occupy.
Another way of looking at this is to think of their localities as their occupations or roles. Their identities are determined local to their "place" in the play.
But non-local to that, with respect to the Theater, they aren't those roles and occupations. They just play them.

This is a mess. Thanks to the need to use similes and symbols unambiguous clarity is practically impossible (and actually welcome in poetry)
But I hope you get the drift of how I'm structuring this

The Trunk is no-thought.
The branches are perspectives of thought.

There's a finer distinction to be made regarding the players on the stage.
We can see them as objects of the play with and defined by their locations in stage or script.

Or we can focus upon them as persons who in the right of their own person-hood define their spaces.
With a shift of our attention we find them not defined by their local spaces but creating their local spaces.
This is their non-locality.
It's possible because The Trunk has no identities to fix them with.
The Trunk is simply pure possibility.
 
The Man is an example of a complex system, that is aware only about the personal and fragmented mantel activity of his mind, and forces this fragmented awareness on others, by claiming that there is no common (and non-personal) base ground for any mental activity.

Where ever did I make that claim Doron? You want a “common (and non-personal) base ground for any mental activity”? Try looking up and studying Neurochemistry, Neurobiology and just Neuroscience in general.

Again Doron it is just your “that is aware only about the personal and fragmented mantel activity of his mind, and forces this fragmented awareness on others,” as exemplified time and time again by you attributing your own assertions to others, as you just did above.



Since this is the case with The Man, he has no choice but to use indirect methods that are characterized by agreements that are done at the level of thoughts, with other persons that are also get things only at the level of thoughts.

As shown above your “direct perception” fails you again.

As a result we get a community of persons, which are characterized by the lack of any non-personal base ground as the realm of their communications abilities.

No Doron again that would just be you making up your own personal meanings and uses for words and phrase that often directly contradict the common usage.


Indirect communication that is done only at the level of thoughts, actually misses the infinitely many finer levels of the thought activity, by forcing on it categorical deductive context dependent frameworks that have no real common base ground (“branches” without “trunk”).

Then I suggest you start communicating directly by using a “real common base ground” like common usage of words and phrases.

There cannot be real communication between a person that is locked under his thoughts’ activity and uses indirect communication methods, and a person that is not locked under his thoughts’ activity as uses direct communication methods, that can’t be valued by a person that is locked under his thoughts’ activity.

Communities that are based on indirect communication are going to be developed into communities that are based on direct communication.

Some of the nonsense of today is the reasoning of tomorrow, and specially the current “nonsense” that is derived from direct perception.

Doron that ““nonsense” that is derived from direct perception” is your professed “reasoning” of today and for what some 20 years. Still it has gotten you nowhere, stop being “locked under” you own “thoughts’” of this “““nonsense” that is derived from direct perception””, simply fantasizing and start actually learning.

Do you realize that what is considered as a problem is changed if your mantel skills are changed?

Are you simply or deliberately confusing "problem" with "difficult"?

Do you realize that the most important problem of our spices is the imbalanced skills between Ethics and Logic\Technology?

That imbalance is again entirely yours.






To repeat the question


Please sight such research papers and we can discuss them.

Not links to websites, news articles or anything else. Just actual research papers supporting your claims about…

scientific evidences (that are based on controlled and carful scientific methods) clearly show that balanced mental training techniques are resulted by better brain functioning

The critical elements would be “controlled and carful scientific methods”. I was actually curious if you were referring to any specific research particularly those showing TM as more effective than other metal training techniques, but apparently not.


Doron the benefits of mental training still do not show your meditations are providing you some “unbounded awareness” or that it “enables” you “to get things from more profound levels of your mental activity”. In fact your very assertions on this thread have show that is simply not that case (at least for you), although you have trained yourself to think it is.




1) “belongs AND does not belong” is true if it is related to non-local element.

2) “belongs NXOR does not belong” is a generalization of Non-locality, whether we deal with emptiness or fullness (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16542245/OMPT pages 29-30).

3) Your thoughts-only indirect reasoning can't get that.

Again

Doron your claim was “belongs AND does not belong”. NXOR is not the same as AND. FALSE AND FALSE is FALSE. While FALSE NXOR FLASE is TRUE. Are you now changing your “Non-locality” ascription claim?

Your #“2)” “generalization of Non-locality” conflicts directly with your #”1)” “related to non-local element” specifically in the truth value configuration I mentioned before.
 
I'm not into that particular school of meditation, and find some of its claims bogus (the Levitation thing they used to push, for example).
But I do frequently employ mantra recitation in my meditation sessions.
The mantra being just the single syllable, "Ah."
Usually after a time of doing that, I then just sit paying attention.
I learned the TM-Sidhi program, and no one is flaying by practicing this mantel technique. However from my own experience during the practice of the flying sutra it is as if you are plagued to an internal source of energy, which cause your body to jump spontaneously by using less afford then usual (where "usual" means jumping not during the practice).

During the practice of the flying sutra I was very calm, aware of myself, and did not do anything in order to push myself to jump.
 
The Man said:
The critical elements would be “controlled and carful scientific methods”. I was actually curious if you were referring to any specific research particularly those showing TM as more effective than other metal training techniques, but apparently not.


Doron the benefits of mental training still do not show your meditations are providing you some “unbounded awareness” or that it “enables” you “to get things from more profound levels of your mental activity”. In fact your very assertions on this thread have show that is simply not that case (at least for you), although you have trained yourself to think it is.

You simply a ignore any evidence that does not fit to your little box.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5867437&postcount=9660 researches are all made by charlatans, all the researchers there are idiots, and why? because the results of their researchers do not fit to The Man's box.

Furthermore, you did not practice any of those mental techniques, so all you have is an indirect approach that does not contribute very much to your understanding abilities of this subject.

There is nothing to add in your case.
 
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The Man said:
Your #“2)” “generalization of Non-locality” conflicts directly with your #”1)” “related to non-local element” specifically in the truth value configuration I mentioned before.
Nonsense.

You decided to exchange Membership with False and then you used AND or NXOR in order to support your exchange.

There is nothing to add about your nonesense forcing methods.
 
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You simply a ignore any evidence that does not fit to your little box.

What box would that be Doron, the one you try to stuff everyone else into?


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5867437&postcount=9660 researches are all made by charlatans, all the researchers there are idiots, and why? because the results of their researchers do not fit to The Man's box.

There is nothing to add in your case.

Again if you are referring to any specific research, again the critical elements would be “controlled and carful scientific methods”, then cite a specific paper. Not some website, news articles, speculative dissertation or whatever.
 
Nonsense.

You decided to exchange Membership with False and then you used AND or NXOR in order to support your exchange.

There is nothing to add about your nonesense forcing methods.

"exchange Membership with False", whatever are you talking about? The difference between a truth table for AND from that for NXOR is exactly as I explained. Again study some logic.

Not that it matters much anyway Doron because your “belongs AND does not belong” is always FALSE just as “belong NXOR does not belong” is always FALSE simply because “not belong” is dependent on “belongs” by negation.
 
I learned the TM-Sidhi program, and no one is flaying by practicing this mantel technique. However from my own experience during the practice of the flying sutra it is as if you are plagued to an internal source of energy, which cause your body to jump spontaneously by using less afford then usual (where "usual" means jumping not during the practice).

During the practice of the flying sutra I was very calm, aware of myself, and did not do anything in order to push myself to jump.

I've seen pictures of TM mediators doing that and ---
no thanks!

I have on occasion felt very light in meditation, as if floating.
But I was still solidly sitting on my zafu (Zen meditation cushion).
I realized it was a sensation and that I wasn't just bout to best gravity.

TM doesn't have a monopoly on mediation practices that have been used for thousands of years in many different religious traditions. So it's not really about TMtm.
 
I've seen pictures of TM mediators doing that and ---
no thanks!
These pictures are not important of their own, simply because no one is flying during this practice.
flying.jpg

The important thing at this stage is the EEG picture that has been found during the practice:
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TM doesn't have a monopoly on mediation practices that have been used for thousands of years in many different religious traditions. So it's not really about TMtm.
I agree with you. It simply the most researchable one.

Has you have noticed http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5867437&postcount=9660 is not exclusively dedicated to TM.

Furthermore, there are studies ( http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070628160734.htm ) that claims that there are no acceptable and rigours scientific methods that are used in oreder to value the quality of the researches that have been done during the years, about different mental trainings, nevertheless the quoted research does not totally cancel the positive results of those researches.

In that case we can also ask, what research method is considered by Maria Ospina and Kenneth Bond form the University of Alberta/Capital Health Evidence-based Practice Center in Edmonton, Canada as a rigours scientific method ("a common theoretical perspective", as they call it) that has to be used to value the quality of the examined researches?
 
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"exchange Membership with False", whatever are you talking about? The difference between a truth table for AND from that for NXOR is exactly as I explained. Again study some logic.
Learn to use logic, by not changing the researched in order to fit it to your preferred results.

Not that it matters much anyway Doron because your “belongs AND does not belong” is always FALSE just as “belong NXOR does not belong” is always FALSE simply because “not belong” is dependent on “belongs” by negation.
Belongs NXOR not-belongs, is exactly the ability of a non-local element to be simultaneously in more than one membership state.

Since you are using a mutually exclusive view of Non-locality, you get a contradiction, which is a direct result of using improper reasoning in order to research and understand Non-locality (you are forcing XOR to be NXOR).
 
The Man said:
Again if you are referring to any specific research, again the critical elements would be “controlled and carful scientific methods”, then cite a specific paper. Not some website, news articles, speculative dissertation or whatever.
Some few examples (out of hundreds):


Effects of a Randomized Controlled Trial
of Transcendental Meditation on Components
of the Metabolic Syndrome in Subjects
With Coronary Heart Disease:
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/166/11/1218.pdf


Neuroimaging of meditation’s effect on brain reactivity to pain
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2170475/pdf/nihms29700.pdf


Effects of Stress Reduction on Carotid Atherosclerosis in Hypertensive African Americans:
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/31/3/568.pdf


Stress Reduction Programs in Patients with Elevated Blood
Pressure: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2268875/pdf/nihms-34949.pdf


A Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in African
Americans Treated for Hypertension for Over One Year:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2224896/pdf/nihms29696.pdf


Long-Term Effects of Stress Reduction on Mortality in Persons
≥55 Years of Age With Systemic Hypertension:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1482831/pdf/nihms2905.pdf


Effectiveness of Transcendental Meditation on Functional
Capacity and Quality of Life of African Americans with Congestive
Heart Failure: A Randomized Control Study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2048830/pdf/nihms29698.pdf
 
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For a more balanced view of the TM movement, also these voices must be heard:

Here is a Critical Resource about the TM movement:

http://trancenet.net/mostly.shtml

A (Mostly) Good Word about Meditation

Over the years we at trancenet.net have received many communications that are variations on a basic theme, "What do you have against meditation?" (Feel free to substitute "alternative health," "multi-level marketing," you name it, for "meditation.")

Many of us are not critical of meditation itself for most people. Meditation is one of nature's miracles. For most people it is an extraordinary experience that adds much to life. Dr. Herbert Benson, Associate Professor of Medicine, Harvard University, and other researchers have shown that many forms of meditation offer specific benefits, such as lowered blood pressure and increased relaxation when practiced regularly. And TM seems to be as good or better than any of the forms of meditation that we know of. (Coauthor, with Maharishi University of Management's Keith Wallace, of seminal research on Transcendental Meditation, Dr. Benson later denied that the results from TM were substantively different from other forms of meditation.)

We believe that the majority of people who practice TM will find that they enjoy it. We believe it is as good as similar techniques taught by Hindus, Christians, Muslims, hypnotherapists, and others. We do, however, think there is evidence that it is either not effective, not enjoyable, or downright dangerous for a certain percentage of the population, on the order of 10% to 20%.

But the bottom line is if you enjoy Transcendental Meditation -- and the religious aspects or repressive policies of the TM movement do not conflict with your beliefs -- why not do it?

We do feel, however, that the Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation movement and the Natural Law Party are in need of serious reform to bring it in line with the ethical -- even legal -- standards our culture expects.

It's not our purpose to debate satisfied members of these groups. We have no reason to doubt that many, many have experiences and beliefs that are very fulfilling. Who can ask for more? It is our hope, however, that by raising concerns that many of us on all sides have in common, we can move the discussion of TM -- and similar groups -- past futile name-calling and on to meaningful discussion of where we might go from here. The jury is still out on whether TM and similar groups will become yet more radical -- or whether they will enter the mainstream.

Honest attempts at measured reform may hold the balance. Current and former members together, the future of our groups is in our hands.

In http://trancenet.net you can find researches (http://trancenet.net/research/abs.shtml) that contradict some of the results that are published by the TM movement (by these researches form one hand the TM program has no effect, but on the other hand TM makes damage to those how practice it. This is an imbalanced conclusion because it is focused only on those results that do not agree with other researches that done by other independent research centers, which find positive results about TM ), including personal stories of bad effects on persons that practiced TM.

In a non-trivial realm anything (bad effects, no effects, good effects) is possible.

In general I am against any organization that forces its preferred results (by ignoring bad effects or no effects) on the persons that are considered as its members.
 
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Learn to use logic, by not changing the researched in order to fit it to your preferred results.

Once again Doron you are the only one simply insisting on your “preferred results”.



Belongs NXOR not-belongs, is exactly the ability of a non-local element to be simultaneously in more than one membership state.

No Doron that would be how you define what constitute that “element” and what constitutes your “membership state”. NXOR only gives a particular output value based on two input values and again FALSE NXOR FALSE is TRUE while FALSE AND FALSE is FALSE.

Since you are using a mutually exclusive view of Non-locality, you get a contradiction, which is a direct result of using improper reasoning in order to research and understand Non-locality (you are forcing XOR to be NXOR).

Again “mutually exclusive” would be (logically) XOR which is specifically the negation of NOXR so FALSE XOR FALSE is FALSE while FALSE NXOR FALSE is TRUE. So I’m certainly not “forcing XOR to be NXOR”. Your “direct perception” fails you again.










Some few examples (out of hundreds):


Effects of a Randomized Controlled Trial
of Transcendental Meditation on Components
of the Metabolic Syndrome in Subjects
With Coronary Heart Disease:
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/166/11/1218.pdf




Background: The metabolic syndrome is thought to be
a contributor to coronary heart disease (CHD), and components
of the syndrome have been identified as possible
therapeutic targets. Previous data implicate neurohumoral
activation related to psychosocial stress as a
contributor to the metabolic syndrome. The aim of this
study was to evaluate the efficacy of transcendental meditation
(TM) on components of the metabolic syndrome
and CHD.

conclusions

The present trial results demonstrate that 16 weeks of
TMsignificantly reduces the adjusted blood pressure and
insulin resistance components of the metabolic syndrome
and has a positive impact on cardiac autonomic
tone in subjects with stable, optimally managed CHD.
These results suggest that neurohumoral pathways may
be mechanistically involved in the metabolic syndrome.
Our findings also suggest that interventions that target
neurohumoral pathways, especially via meditation
or related techniques, may be beneficial for CHD reduction
and should be tested in larger, more adequately
powered clinical trials.

Also 10 to 16 participants is not a significant sample group (5-8 for each treatment group).

The authors note themselves “should be tested in larger, more adequately powered clinical trials”.


Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.



Neuroimaging of meditation’s effect on brain reactivity to pain
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2170475/pdf/nihms29700.pdf

Abstract
Some meditation techniques reduce pain, but there have been no studies on how meditation affects
the brain’s response to pain. Functional magnetic resonance imaging of the response to thermally
induced pain applied outside the meditation period found that long-term practitioners of the
Transcendental Meditation technique showed 40–50% fewer voxels responding to pain in the
thalamus and total brain than in healthy matched controls interested in learning the technique. After
the controls learned the technique and practiced it for 5 months, their response decreased by 40–50%
in the thalamus, prefrontal cortex, total brain, and marginally in the anterior cingulate cortex. The
results suggest that the Transcendental Meditation technique longitudinally reduces the affective/
motivational dimension of the brain’s response to pain.


The Transcendental Meditation program appears to longitudinally reduce the brain’s response
to acute pain along major sectors of the affective dimension of the pain matrix, apparently
related to reduced distress, but with no reduction in the sensory experience of pain intensity
[18]. This may help explain the reduction in stress reactivity and improvements in
cardiovascular disease found to result from practice of this program. Future research could
Orme-Johnson et al. Page 5
Neuroreport. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2008 January 2.
NIH-PA Author Manuscript NIH-PA Author Manuscript NIH-PA Author Manuscript
focus on its concomitant effects on endogenous endorphins, on other areas of the pain matrix,
as well as cardiovascular and autonomic responses.

“appears to longitudinally reduce the brain’s response to acute pain” “apparently
related to reduced distress, but with no reduction in the sensory experience of pain intensity”.

So again indication of stress relief and the authors cite such reduced brain responses as a possible reason for the reduction in stress reactivity.



Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.

In fact this research demonstrates a measurable reduction in brain activity. Hence the reduced stress from the acute pain.


Effects of Stress Reduction on Carotid Atherosclerosis in Hypertensive African Americans:
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/31/3/568.pdf

Background and Purpose—African Americans suffer disproportionately higher cardiovascular disease mortality rates than
do whites. Psychosocial stress influences the development and progression of atherosclerosis. Carotid intima-media
thickness (IMT) is a valid surrogate measure for coronary atherosclerosis, is a predictor of coronary outcomes and
stroke, and is associated with psychosocial stress factors. Stress reduction with the Transcendental Meditation (TM)
program decreases coronary heart disease risk factors and cardiovascular mortality in African Americans. B-mode
ultrasound is useful for the noninvasive evaluation of carotid atherosclerosis.

Discussion
This preliminary randomized controlled trial suggests that
stress reduction with the TM program is associated with
reduced carotid atherosclerosis in African Americans with
hypertension compared with a health education comparison
group. Fiscal constraints on posttesting, high residential
mobility, and scheduling conflicts were the main reasons for
a high attrition rate. Although the generalizability of our
findings may appear to be compromised by the attrition rate,
attriters and completers were not found to be different in
baseline characteristics that would systematically bias treatment
outcomes.

Again just stress reduction and this one the authors assert was compromised by the attrition rate.


Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.




Stress Reduction Programs in Patients with Elevated Blood
Pressure: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2268875/pdf/nihms-34949.pdf

Abstract
Substantial evidence indicates that psychosocial stress contributes to hypertension and cardiovascular
disease (CVD). Previous meta-analyses of stress reduction and high blood pressure (BP) were
outdated and/or methodologically limited..

Conclusions
Results of meta-analyses showed that simple biofeedback, relaxation-assisted biofeedback,
progressive muscle relaxation, and stress management training did not show statistically
significant reductions in elevated BP. Analysis of trials of the Transcendental Meditation
program showed clinically and statistically significant changes in BP (−5.0/−2.8 mm Hg).

Stress reduction again.

Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.



A Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in African
Americans Treated for Hypertension for Over One Year:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2224896/pdf/nihms29696.pdf

Abstract
Background— Psychosocial stress has been implicated in the disproportionately higher rates of
hypertension among African Americans. This randomized controlled trial compared the effects of
two stress reduction techniques and a health education control program on hypertension during a
period of 1 year in African-American men and women (N = 150, mean age 49 ± 10 years, mean blood
pressure (BP) = 142/95 mm Hg) at an urban community health center.

Discussion
This randomized controlled trial conducted with 1 year of follow-up extended the results of a
previous independently conducted short-term follow-up study that compared the effects of
different approaches to stress reduction on hypertension in African Americans during 3 months.
25,26 The present trial evaluated a vital clinical question, that is, whether any of these lifestyle
modification programs would remain effective in reducing BP during the relative long-term.
The results of the present study support the feasibility and long-term efficacy of the use of a
selected stress reduction approach in reducing BP in urban adult African Americans with stage
1 or 2 hypertension. During the 1-year duration of the study, the Transcendental Meditation
program significantly decreased diastolic BP more than PMR or HE, and there was a trend for
a greater reduction in systolic BP. Progressive muscle relaxation or HE did not differ from
each other on any BP change comparison. Differences in compliance with treatment could not
explain the results because when the BP results were adjusted for treatment compliance, the
same pattern of results was found. In addition there was a significant reduction in
antihypertensive medication use in the TM group compared to relaxation and education
controls.


Stress reduction again.

Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.



Long-Term Effects of Stress Reduction on Mortality in Persons
≥55 Years of Age With Systemic Hypertension:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1482831/pdf/nihms2905.pdf

Abstract
Psychosocial stress contributes to high blood pressure and subsequent cardiovascular morbidity and
mortality. Previous controlled studies have associated decreasing stress with the Transcendental
Meditation (TM) program with lower blood pressure

DISCUSSION
The results of this retrospective long-term follow-up of 2 randomized controlled trials of
decreasing stress and high blood pressure in older subjects suggest that a selected behavioral
approach, the TM program, is associated with significantly lower mortality rates compared
with other behavioral interventions and usual care.

Stress reduction again.

Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.


Effectiveness of Transcendental Meditation on Functional
Capacity and Quality of Life of African Americans with Congestive
Heart Failure: A Randomized Control Study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2048830/pdf/nihms29698.pdf

Abstract
Objective— To evaluate the effectiveness of a Transcendental Meditation (TM) stress reduction
program for African Americans with congestive heart failure (CHF).


Discussion…

Our results are consistent with those reported by other studies of TM as a secondary prevention
tool for cardiovascular diseases.5–9,12,13,22–25


Stress reduction again.

Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.


Did you actually read any of these papers, let alone understand what they were about?

Doron you could have just said the there is evidence to support stress reduction from TM and I doubt anyone would have questioned you, yet you choose to try and assert such simple research on stress reduction as some kind of support for your claims of “unbounded awareness” and that you “get things from more profound levels of your mental activity” because of your TM activates. None of the stress research you cited supports your claims.
 
Stress reduction again.
Still no mention of any “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity”.
Stress reduction is a comprehensive physical measured phenomenon, which is derived from the mental practicing of TM technique, in this case.

In other words, restful alertness that was measured in brain’s activity during the TM practice [1] , plays a main role that enables Stress reduction all over the body.

The current physical measurement tools can’t measure directly the expansion of awareness during the practice, so you can’t find anything about “unbounded awareness” or that the subjects “get things from more profound levels of” their “mental activity” in these research papers.

There is no indirect way here The Man, you simply have to actually practicing TM, in order to get by yourself “unbounded awareness” or that you “get things from more profound levels of” your “mental activity”.

In other words The Man, indirect perception of a considered subject is a partial method of understanding it.

[1] For more details, please see:

Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and
contingent negative variation characterize the
integration of transcendental and waking states:
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf

Psychological and physiological characteristics
of a proposed object-referral/self-referral continuum
of self-awareness:
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/EEG of Transcending.pdf

http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMMetaphysical/APersonalView/index.cfm
 
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The Man said:
I was actually curious if you were referring to any specific research particularly those showing TM as more effective than other metal training techniques, but apparently not.

A meta-analysis of 597 studies of meditation practices was published in The American Journal of Health Promotion (May/June 1998). This study found TM to be significantly superior to other forms of meditation and relaxation in a wide range of criteria related to mental and physical health.

See also:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112457231/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://www.psrast.org/tmunique.htm

http://healthpromotionjournal.com/m...de=AJHP&Product_Code=JV14I5284&Category_Code=


Psychophysiological Effects of Yoga:

http://www.iayt.org/site_Vx2/publications/psychophysiology.pdf
 
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