Was Dick Oliver confused about what he heard on 9/11

[I Ratant]

Why expect anything more "coherent" than Plymouth wheel covers?
Optimism may be an admirable quality, but expecting coherence from an unjustifiable and arbitrary argumentative position has to pall sooner or later.

 

[DGM]

Why expect anything more "coherent" than Plymouth wheel covers?
Optimism may be an admirable quality, but expecting coherence from an unjustifiable and arbitrary argumentative position has to pall sooner or later.

Why do you think I expect a coherent theory from any "no-planer"? Asking for one and expecting one is two different things. Not being able to produce one however is powerful evidence that the idea in itself is junk.

 

[Oystein]

Even taking the space between the plane and the camera crew to be an open field, one would not find that the people walking through the scene would be throwing themselves to the ground in agony or being buffeted about by the wake of the plane. Making an assumption of an open field would provide an upper bound on the expected decibel level, which some have placed at maybe 90 to 116 dB, neither of which would be causing the effects jammonius claims.

Good thinking - I secomd that motion!

Let jammonius at least establish an upper bound on the expected decibel level using the simplest model.

Once we have obtained that, we can go from there.

 

[Oystein]

I just wanted to commend you on your excellent (and very patient) post.

I had to write that twice, actually. I lost an even better version of that reply when I sent and the forum software handled me some error message, and I hit Ctrl-C unstead of Ctrl-V upon going back to the edit screen
ETA: I even had most of the Sean-Murtagh-testimony trabscribed.

...(although I feel it will be a wordy hand-wave)

My feeling exactly. I also anticipate liberal use of words like
- gotcha
- 20 questions
- rhetoric
- "that's rich"

 

[sheeplesnshills]

The sound quality seems quite good in this one.






Compus

The sound is out of sync in that video as the explosion is seen and heard at the same time.......TV and movies often do that but since sound and light travel at hugely different speeds the impact would visible be at least a second or two before the sound reaches them. The original video does not have this out of sync error.

 

[Bell]

The sound is out of sync in that video as the explosion is seen and heard at the same time.......TV and movies often do that but since sound and light travel at hugely different speeds the impact would visible be at least a second or two before the sound reaches them. The original video does not have this out of sync error.

 

[DGM]

Clearly we can see (or hear) in that video that no one says anything about a plane. We do however know there was divine excrement involved ("holy ****") and said divine excrement possibly was involved in intercourse (holy *********** ****").

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Clearly we can see (or hear) in that video that no one says anything about a plane. We do however know there was divine excrement involved ("holy ****") and said divine excrement possibly was involved in intercourse (holy *********** ****").

 

[Bell]

Since the FDNY was investigating a reported gas leak, I think it is safe to assume the roaring sound we hear is that of the gas escaping from the manhole.

 

[DGM]

Since the FDNY was investigating a reported gas leak, I think it is safe to assume the roaring sound we hear is that of the gas escaping from the manhole.

Or from the divine intercourse engaging excrement.......




OK I'll stop now.......

 

[Mince]

Clearly we can see (or hear) in that video that no one says anything about a plane. We do however know there was divine excrement involved ("holy ****") and said divine excrement possibly was involved in intercourse (holy *********** ****").

Were the people in that video reacting to a 767 flying 500 mph at 1000 feet? What was their reaction? They looked to the sky, didn't they? I mean all of them looked to the sky. Why did they look to the sky if there was no Boeing 767 flying 500 mph at 1000 feet?

 

[Mince]

Looks like all the leaves are gone.

Where have all the leaves now gone.

He seems to be mute on the issue. If a person cannot stand on the wing of an aircraft without snapping it off (as indicated by the "no step" designation) why is this guy standing on the wing of a seemingly viable aircraft or why is jammonius not attacking the credibility of this photo?

 

[Mince]

Dick Oliver did not think he heard a jet or a jetliner.

You know, through the course of taking Contemporary American Literature, we were debating Ken Kesey's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. The debate was rather fierce and many students, after a bit of research, referenced other relevant opinions and arguments on the matter. The students, using these references and their personal interpretations, made many passionate and seemingly sound arguments about the meaning of elements of the book and its overall meaning. But, a good deal into the debate, I was thrown. I had noticed, in all of these opinions and "objective" arguments about the meaning of the book, none were Ken Kesey's. "Well, geez," I asked the professor, "has anyone thought to ask Ken what the hell the book means?" He was alive (at the time).

How can you presume (via the above quoted statement) to divine what Oliver was thinking from a video and call it objective? If you're so interested in the issue, and you really want to discover the truth, why not attempt to ask Oliver himself what he thought he heard? His "What was that?" statement could have been about the explosion and not the passing of the aircraft, which, as has been laid out previously in this thread, likely was not as menacing as you seem to unobjectively believe.

Frankly, I have difficulty discerning your position on this issue. So, the video doesn't definitively prove that an aircraft hit WTC 1; a blue Subaru in Tokyo doesn't prove I'm alive, but I'm alive none-the-less.

 

[sylvan8798]

Apparently the problem with asking any of these witnesses anything NOW is that they are tainted by the massive pressure to conform to the "official storyline". So we could not accept that anything they might say is unbiased. Only those original excited utterances and first impressions count as evidence, since anything afterwards is thus tainted.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Clearly we can see (or hear) in that video that no one says anything about a plane. We do however know there was divine excrement involved ("holy ****") and said divine excrement possibly was involved in intercourse (holy *********** ****").

I would bet that that was the #1 uttered phrase on 9/11.

 

[Mince]

Hmmmm, it seems jammonius has skipped the evening session. His absence seems a bit conspicuous, but not unexpected. Hopefully, he's studying his freshman Speech Communications text and will soon lecture us on rhetoric, oral argument, objectivity and Platonic theory.

 

[TJM]

Was Dick Oliver confused about what he heard on 9/11?

Apparently.

At first I thought it was a plane

Said at about the 5:35 mark.

This is from a series of videos of WNYW's coverage on 9/11. In part 2 we hear from a couple of people who did in fact see a plane crash into WTC1.

In part 2 and 3 Dick Oliver re-establishes contact with WNYW. Interestingly enough, here Mr. Oliver may be inadvertently responsible for some of the early woo. He is heard to suggest that it may have been a missile attack, It may have been a drone plane, smoke color indicates that fire is being fought, etc.

What do I make of it?

Dick Oliver was confused and just trying to make sense of it all. As were we all.

 

[jammonius]

Apparently.





Said at about the 5:35 mark.

This is from a series of videos of WNYW's coverage on 9/11. In part 2 we hear from a couple of people who did in fact see a plane crash into WTC1.

In part 2 and 3 Dick Oliver re-establishes contact with WNYW. Interestingly enough, here Mr. Oliver may be inadvertently responsible for some of the early woo. He is heard to suggest that it may have been a missile attack, It may have been a drone plane, smoke color indicates that fire is being fought, etc.

What do I make of it?

Dick Oliver was confused and just trying to make sense of it all. As were we all.

I have listened once to the first 2:30 of the video and have put it on pause in order to say that what is presented up to that point is clearly and convincingly consistent with:


NO PLANE

This is just an initial report. We would all do well to both look at and listen to this entire piece. It is fascinating as it occurs post North Tower hit and pre-South Tower. Thus, it is not prejudiced in favor of the psyop that was then and there unfolding, as those of us who view the matter as a psyop would put it.

It is acknowledged there are going to be differences of opinion here, but I was moved by this video to post as here presented.

 

[TJM]

At first I thought it was a plane

That jammonius. The line above this one. This was his first impression. I've read somewhere that these are important.

 

[jammonius]

Let me help you with that:

[qimg]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/macgyver1968a/tradecenter.jpg[/qimg]

The red arrow is the approx. flight path of the first aircraft. The green line shows the distance between them. (around 1700 ft.) and the green X indicates the approx. position of Dick Oliver.

Jam just claimed the sound would be around 140dB...which is the decibel level of a jet engine at 100 ft. When in fact the plane was around 1700 ft away from his location.

It's also the reason that the "lady in blue" looks up and to the right in the video, as that would be the direction the sound was coming from.

Thanks for the above. As well, I will here rely on your prior posting of a 116dB sound level that you provided in the verboten thread.

116db is ear splitting and attention getting in no uncertain terms.