Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

[cantonear1968]

I'm still confused. When this thread started, the original source, tfk, stated that Mr. Johnson graduated from engineering school only 3 years ago. Yet in the video he posted, he states to the audience that he has "worked on hundreds of structure". Let's suppose he means a 100 buildings and let's suppose he's been 'working on buildings' since he started university 7 or 8 years ago. Does that mean he works on a different building every week?

Once again, I'm not an engineer, but I do have very close friends who are. They're in their 50s and have been working for decades. I doubt they could reasonably claim the same level of experience. In the comments attached to his video, there is a claim that Mr. Johnson is a welding inspector and not an engineer. While I have no idea if this is true, he does claim in his introduction to be a "special inspector". Certainly this would explain what he means by "worked on".

Am I confused about this?

A "professional" truther who has overstated his qualifications and/or work experience? Hmm. Who does that sound like? Not anybody in the organization Derek represents, does it?

 

[Derek Johnson]

You seem to suggest the following:
1. It was an intentional destruction
2. Explosives were not used
3. Lots of molten steel a long time after the collapse were a direct result of the demolition method used
Is that a fair description of your proto-hypothesis?

Then I would like to learn what you hypothesis is:
4. What method was used?
5. How does that method explain the apparent synchronicity of the collapse?
6. How does that method explain the alleged pools of molten steel?
7. Can this method be reconciled with all the other observattione we have about the incident, such as fire chiefs predicting collapse, no sounds, uncontrolled fires on many floors, ...?

1. Don't know for sure, but the box cutter wielders did REALLY well if they pulled all that off without on the ground help. Allah was surely smiling on them that day.
2. Explosions were heard, but I didn't hear I firecracker chain as one hears on most, if not all CDs.
3. Yes
4. Don't know, but something very drastic was done to many columns
5. The synchronicity is my main source of heartburn, along with molten steel/iron
6. With the volume of statements positive for molten metal/steel/iron, the two must relate, but I only defer to FEA as an exploratory method for discovering the abuse that WTC 7 could withstand, and where are those contract docs? Where are NIST/ARA's FEA inputs and IGES files and why is that a matter of "national security"?
7. Maybe, but that's well beyond my scope of the presentation I gave last month

 

[Derek Johnson]

I'm still confused. When this thread started, the original source, tfk, stated that Mr. Johnson graduated from engineering school only 3 years ago. Yet in the video he posted, he states to the audience that he has "worked on hundreds of structure". Let's suppose he means a 100 buildings and let's suppose he's been 'working on buildings' since he started university 7 or 8 years ago. Does that mean he works on a different building every week?

Once again, I'm not an engineer, but I do have very close friends who are. They're in their 50s and have been working for decades. I doubt they could reasonably claim the same level of experience. In the comments attached to his video, there is a claim that Mr. Johnson is a welding inspector and not an engineer. While I have no idea if this is true, he does claim in his introduction to be a "special inspector". Certainly this would explain what he means by "worked on".

Am I confused about this?

I welded in the Navy, Houston shipyards, PV fab, commercial and industrial structures prior to any engineering undergrad work. Most of my structural experience stems from that era. My largest post BSME grad project was the centrifuge assembly building structural steel QC in Eunice, NM in 2008 to 2009, this was/is the 4th or 5th largest project in the US.

Also, TSPE does not require a PE to be an officer, I was nominated my first year (not long after I passed my FE) and have served as a TSPE officer ever since. Also, there is no dearth of twoofies in TSPE or among graduate engineers I've ran into hither and yon.

 

[Derek Johnson]

It happened the one and only time such conditions have existed.

NIST states the "walking girder" between columns 79 and 44 from an office fire of common office combustibles.

Is that a joke?

 

[Derek Johnson]

Name one person that says they saw any molten metal on the pile first-hand and we can then discuss how they knew what kind of metal it was.

I know of no fireman that says anything like "I saw ..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p6UuGE0plk&feature=player_embedded

also, please watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuSAR3dR_Gk

Thanks Al, as well as all others for the replies.

 

[A W Smith]

NIST states the "walking girder" between columns 79 and 44 from an office fire of common office combustibles.

Is that a joke?

is this a joke?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=166788.0

Thanks Chris, pass this one along, please. JREF will have a time overcoming this information as well as the challenges I present w/respect to the NIST "report".

When you're done using your penis pump on your ego. care to make a point?

 

[Derek Johnson]

This fails to acknowledge the very reason why WTC7 is seen as the smoking gun in the first place: That CTers can't imagine that a single-pont failure could trigger a collapse, let alone the CD-like global and near-simultaneous collapse that we all know from videos.

Would 81 W14 x 740 columns with another 700 lb/ft or so of welded double flange to flange A36 built up offering no collapse resistance for 100 feet or 2.25 seconds maybe have something to do with it?

 

[Derek Johnson]

is this a joke?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=166788.0
When you're done using your penis pump on your ego. care to make a point?

Then simply answer:

1. How did WTC 7 fall at the acceleration of gravity for 100 ft?
2. Was there molten metal/iron/steel witnessed in the aftermath?
3. Was the ARA/NIST FEA done with due diligence?

Help me out on these 3, would ya?

Thanks...

 

[sylvan8798]

http://www.tspe.org/About/Chapters/LocalChapters/CentralTexasChapter/tabid/93/Default.aspx

 

[A W Smith]

Would 81 W14 x 740 columns with another 700 lb/ft or so of welded double flange to flange A36 built up offering no collapse resistance for 100 feet or 2.25 seconds maybe have something to do with it?

Cmon Derek. Tell us, How many feet was column 79 left unbraced after floors surrounding it collapsed? And do those core columns support the perimeter shell which went into its 2.25 seconds of free fall long after the complete inside of the building collapsed? care to mention the initiation of the east penthouse movement Derek?

 

[Baylor]

http://www.tspe.org/About/Chapters/LocalChapters/CentralTexasChapter/tabid/93/Default.aspx

Texas engineering schools teach that all buildings were made by Jesus using dinosaurs as ladders.

 

[A W Smith]

Then simply answer:

1. How did WTC 7 fall at the acceleration of gravity for 100 ft?

See my post above for a clue you are missing

2. Was there molten metal/iron/steel witnessed in the aftermath?

Metal, and perhaps glass

3. Was the ARA/NIST FEA done with due diligence?

yes

Help me out on these 3, would ya?

Thanks...

For an "engineer" you sure need a lot of help.

 

[apathoid]

I could care less about the rest of your tripe, but this stood out to me:

...(snip)

Also, there is no dearth of twoofies in TSPE or among graduate engineers I've ran into hither and yon.

Personally, I'd like to think you are bending the truth here(something we've seen repeatedly here over the years), but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What are you and your truther engineer buddies doing besides making youtube videos and posting on message boards? Wouldn't publishing in a respected engineering journal, say the Journal Of Engineering Mechanics be a better way to challenge the "Official Story"? Makes it seem like you are preaching to the choir.

I did a much simplified finite element analysis of the 9-11 structures (twins and Solomon) using ANSYS w/the autodyn plug in. The speed of the falls and the downward force impulses that would have been created by the plane damage made many at UTA suspicious of the 9-11 investigation report. It is my opinion that a more complete and thorough FEA survey than the one I performed will help erode the credibility of the 9-11 report of record, and provide political pressure to bring those responsible for the 9-11 murders to trial. I am willing to volunteer time in working toward this goal, if anyone is interested and has access to FEA software, please contact me at cattleprods [at] hotmail.com and I will donate time to further this cause.

A good a place as any to start with your paper. Good luck, I can't wait to read it...but I won't hold my breath.

Also, any thoughts on why AE911 and their "thousands of architects and engineers" can't get published either? Bushco in charge of the ASCE/ASME now?

 

[cyclonic]

LOL! I suspect metaphiles and general metalphilia in and around WTC 7.

How do such strong built up columns become so vulnerable?

By the same thing that happened in WTC5:

 

[A W Smith]

Derek:

The columns you describe as so robust were spliced at every second story

see page 31 of NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A

After the floors collapsed column 79 was unsupported for nine story's

Those splices were bolted/welded

Here's an interesting video especially at 1 minute 10 seconds, when making up a long unsuported length of 900#per lf extra heavy column

and the engineers wouldn't allow us to make that a bolted splice, it had to be a welded splice.

 

[Scott Sommers]

...there is no dearth of twoofies in TSPE or among graduate engineers I've ran into hither and yon.

Derek, thank you for the reply. You seem to be saying there is a large body of engineers and others qualified to comment on this matter who do not accept the WTC buildings collapsed from some combination of planes and fire. Are you referring to the membership of AE911? Or is there some other large group of qualified individuals you are referring to?

The point has already been made, but there is no reason to believe any large opposition exists to what gets called 'the official story' - much less among appropriately trained engineers and construction professionals. AE911 itself does nothing except post videos and chat with each other. There are numerous 911 Truth organizations throughout the USA, but most of their members are high school students. Virtually no one attends any of their public demonstations - much less individuals representing professional groups and the construction professions. There are no professional organizations that have approached governments or their representatives to represent this opinion. In fact, the activities of every single one of these so-called 911 Truth groups is limited to posting internet petitions and videos.

I don't mean to be insulting, but a 20-something graduate without appropriate professional qualification claiming to be the grassroots spokesmen for a vast number of highly qualified scientists, researchers and engineers is not believable. I do believe in appeal to authority and I see no dissent. There is no disagreement. There is no public protest. And the protest that does exist is no pitiful that it can be ignored. Afterall, who cares about the JREF? If there was really something to be said, it wouldn't be being said here.

 

[cyclonic]

Part 1/8 - Texas Engineer Demolitions the 9-11 WTC 7 Fairy Tale
derek johnson as the story teller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48XHVYeyb2s

Lol,my favourite parts was in part 7 at
6.40 "woo...woo"
7.40 "what our lying eyes are telling us"

yeah twoofers don't believe what they see.

 

[Mince]

Can anyone give me a list of buildings Derek Johnson was a factor in constructing so I don't accidently walk in to them?

TIA

 

[Dave Rogers]

And what percentage of those ffs said that they were told the bldg would collapse? I know you won't answer this with sincerity since it would destroy your premise.

I'll answer it with perfect sincerity: I really don't care. Please feel free to make up a percentage and pretend it proves something. Nothing you have ever said about WTC7 gives anyone the slightest concern that there may have been anything suspicious about the circumstances of its collapse unless they were already convinced, including your bizarrely stupid assertion that firemen, whose lives depend on this skill, are completely unable to make a judgement on whether a burning building may collapse without being instructed in detail on what opinion they should hold. It's understandable that a 9/11 truther, who obtains his own opinions entirely from the uncritical and wholesale assimilation of ideas from others, should believe that everyone else is as intellectually stunted as he is; but in the real world, real people are capable of independent thought.

Dave

 

[Mince]

Then simply answer:

1. How did WTC 7 fall at the acceleration of gravity for 100 ft?
2. Was there molten metal/iron/steel witnessed in the aftermath?
3. Was the ARA/NIST FEA done with due diligence?

Help me out on these 3, would ya?

Thanks...

You seem to be ignorant of the most important factor, to wit: how did those clever bastards get the debris from WTC 2 to hit, and start fires in, WTC 7 so they would have a plausible excuse to destroy WTC 7? And why did they wait over 7 hours to collapse WTC 7 when they could have destroyed it in the shroud of the dust clouds of either of the other two buildings' collapses and saved them some scrutiny by clever engineers such as yourself?