Israeli extremists to burn Obama in effigy

[Thunder]

Wildcat?

 

[carlitos]

I'm just wondering how consistent you are, in terms of your supposed commitment to free speech.

Just my 2 cents - I am opposed to laws banning flag burning, effigy burning, swastikas / Holocaust denial in Germany / Austria, "hate speech" and most other restrictions on free speech. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. I'm not sure why you assume that others would / should share your desire to suppress speech you find offensive.

 

[Thunder]

I'm not sure why you assume that others would / should share your desire to suppress speech you find offensive.

in the USA, it is illegal to verbally threaten to kill the President, most politicians, and most people for that matter.

it is illegal to threaten non-lethal violence against anyone in the USA.

soo much for "free-speech"...right?

if I say to your face "I am gonna kick your butt if I see you on my street again", you can be arrested and charged with a felony.

 

[bigjelmapro]

in the USA, it is illegal to verbally threaten to kill the President, most politicians, and most people for that matter.
/drivel

How is this applicable to burning an effigy? Where's the incitement? Threats of bodily harm? Don't see it. Perhaps you would like to point it out.

 

[Thunder]

hmmm...how is burning or hanging someone in effigy...a threat.

"hey guys, lets make a doll look like Obama, and burn it!!!!"

yeah, no threat there.

 

[mortimer]

if I say to your face "I am gonna kick your butt if I see you on my street again", you can be arrested and charged with a felony.

/insert laughing dog here

 

[carlitos]

in the USA, it is illegal to verbally threaten to kill the President, most politicians, and most people for that matter.

it is illegal to threaten non-lethal violenceagainst anyone in the USA.

Are you going to explain what the threat is? I don't see it. Burning an effigy of a teddy bear at a Green Bay packer game does not mean "we are going to go kill Chicago bear fans." It's just speech. Symbolism.

ETA - Being flippant, I suppose if Obama believed in voodoo...

 

[WildCat]

well, since the the Supreme Court has the final say on such issues, you kinda do.

No, I don't.

as to freedom of speech, do you think its wrong for it to be illegal to display the Swastika in Germany and Austria, and for Holocaust denial to be a felony?

Yep, but not a huge concern of mine since I don't live in those countries.

I'm just wondering how consistent you are, in terms of your supposed commitment to free speech.

Because I've never discussed this topic here before...

 

[McHrozni]

i honestly was not familiar with Bush being burned in effigy in the USA, or in some friendly country. but if it did happen, and the police did not stop it right away, I retro-actively condemn those actions.

Really. I do doubt your sincerity. However, a few things still stand out. Why the distinction between friendly and unfriendly countries? Why the distinction between actually burning the effigy, and planning to do it?

I'd also like to see an explanation as to how you missed so many effigies of Bush being burned, yet leaped on the first consideration of Obamas' effigy being burned... that is what the question was, after all.

McHrozni

 

[KingMerv00]

/insert laughing dog here

Why are you laughing? It is mostly true:

http://www.colorado-criminal-lawyer.com/felony_cases/menacing.html

The only thing he got wrong was that it is usually a misdemeanor, not a felony.

 

[Thunder]

Yep, but not a huge concern of mine since I don't live in those countries.

wait, you proclaim yourself to be a hero of freedom of speech, yet you believe that it should be a felony in Germany, Austria, and other countries, to deny the Holocaust???

boy..the hypocrisy is rancid today!!!

not surprised though. I always knew that you would think its okee dokee to burn an effigy of Obama...but not okay to publicly doubt the historical legitimacy of the Holocaust.

hypocrisy...indeed.

 

[Thunder]

Why the distinction between friendly and unfriendly countries?

because I expect unfriendly nations to hate the USA and our leaders. I am not surprised when they burn our leaders in effigy.

however, when so-called friends, who receive great benefits from their relationship with the USA, allow their people to burn our leaders in effigy and burn our flag with no consequences, that bothers me greatly.

it would bother you too..if you are an American.

 

[carlitos]

parky, I think that you are going to wear yourself out boxing these strawmen. Try reading this again for comprehension.

as to freedom of speech, do you think its wrong for it to be illegal to display the Swastika in Germany and Austria, and for Holocaust denial to be a felony?

Yep, but not a huge concern of mine since I don't live in those countries.

McHrozni thinks it's wrong to have laws against nazi speech, and you post this nonsense?

wait, you proclaim yourself to be a hero of freedom of speech, yet you believe that it should be a felony in Germany, Austria, and other countries, to deny the Holocaust???

boy..the hypocrisy is rancid today!!!

not surprised though. I always knew that you would think its okee dokee to burn an effigy of Obama...but not okay to publicly doubt the historical legitimacy of the Holocaust.

hypocrisy...indeed.

The authoritarianism of some liberals just blows me away.

 

[Thunder]

Denying the Holocaust, while despicable, ignorant, and hateful, is still non-violent speech.

How one can proclaim to be a hero and champion of free speech, yet think its ok to criminalize public Holocaust denial, is beyond me.

Offensive speech is protected in the USA. Violent speech is not.

only a hypocrite claims to love freedom of speech to the extreme, but thinks public Holocaust denial should be a felony.

 

[carlitos]

OK, the highlighting didn't work, so I'm going all jammonius with big red text

Your (poorly-phrased, to be fair) question asked McHrozni if he thought it was WRONG for laws to criminalize swastikas and Holocaust denial. You asked if he thought those laws were WRONG. He answered "Yep." In American slang, Yep means "yes." He thinks those laws are WRONG.

And now you are calling him a hypocrite and claiming that he's not a real American and that he says Holocaust denial should be a felony. What is wrong with you?

 

[rwguinn]

^^
Obviously name changes do not confer reading comprehension.
Guys--this is not the land of Queen Alisande and her husband, Sir Mathew.
The Symbol is NOT the thing.

 

[mortimer]

because I expect unfriendly nations to hate the USA and our leaders. I am not surprised when they burn our leaders in effigy.

however, when so-called friends, who receive great benefits from their relationship with the USA, allow their people to burn our leaders in effigy and burn our flag with no consequences, that bothers me greatly.

it would bother you too..if you are an American.

So you think that other nations should abridge their citizens' free speech rights because you don't like what they are saying?

It does not bother me that others burn an effigy of a world leader. And I am an American. Who are you to say that I am not an American if I disagree?

To what degree are you willing to go to force your free-speech limitations on other countries?

 

[Thunder]

To what degree are you willing to go to force your free-speech limitations on other countries?

its illegal to set fires in public. burning anyone in effigy, is such a fire.

should it be illegal to hang someone in effigy? IMHO..yes. i see it as a call for violence.

 

[carlitos]

It is a municipal or local matter as to where and when setting a fire may be illegal. Burning things has been held by your suggested standard, the SCOTUS, as a Constitutional right.

No comment on the series of posts above?

 

[Tailgater]

Why are you laughing? It is mostly true:

http://www.colorado-criminal-lawyer.com/felony_cases/menacing.html

The only thing he got wrong was that it is usually a misdemeanor, not a felony.

I'm not sure what he was laughing at, but I'm laughing at the comparison.