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Put a Fork in her she's done! VfF

Note: That she is covered has been the extent of her concern. She has shown absolutely no interest or concern on what the outcome of such a 'reading' might be for her subject(s).
Fortunately Skeptics are unlikely to be adversely affected by what is nothing but a woo reading. And Skeptics are the only people I read lately. I did do readings on family and friends in the past, and only for purposes of finding accuracy/inaccuracy, and those were done in ways where none of them were harmed, so it is fine. Oh gee shucks, I almost wish I would do readings on random people off the street and take away their money so that we would all have something to whine about. But then I wouldn't be here, now would I. I would be out somewhere hiding, and not having dinner with skeptics and what not.
 
If she is into parlor tricks she might as well have asked Mark Edward for pointers when it comes to sleight of hand and related activities.
Instead I have commended him on his lying ability [Mark can do psychic readings where he pretty much makes stuff up and lies to sound convincing] and proclaimed how I could not do fraud psychic readings. Besides when I lie I start to giggle and feel so guilty I have nightmares until I confess and apologise. April 1st is terrible that way. No kidding!
 
So another story has evolved again, this time at the nursing home.
Now the nurses "disagreed, fussed and yelled at you".
What caused you to leave your employment at this nursing home?
I left my employment at the nursing home to pursue a college education in science.
 
I did do readings on family and friends in the past, and only for purposes of finding accuracy/inaccuracy, and those were done in ways where none of them were harmed, so it is fine.

So, these...
I can only recall two instances where I had detected something seriously dangerous. One was when I detected cysts of the internal reproductive system in a coworker...
The other case occurred yesterday as a matter of fact involving a potentially serious and fatal heart problem...
There was one case where I ordered a person to stop taking a medication...
I have also saved a life because of my ability...
...were 'readings' you performed for your own benefit, to track the accuracy/inaccuracy of your alleged ability, and not with the well being of the subjects in mind.

Good to know.

VisionFromFeeling said:
But then I wouldn't be here...

Wouldn't that be nice.
 
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I love how this thread is titled "she's done", and yet 140+ posts later it is still the same back and forth rhetoric. Here is a breakdown of the typical Anita thread:


Anita: I can look into peoples' bodies and see their illnesses, and kidneys!

Skeptic: Where is your proof?

Anita: My proof is that you don't have proof that I didn't

Skeptic: That isn't proof

Anita: Yes it is

Skeptic: No, it isn't

Anita: Then answer me this, who's on first?

Skeptic: What?

Anita: No, What is on second. I asked who's on first.

Skeptic: Who is on second?

Anita: No, Who is on third, What is on second.

Skeptic: You are confusing me

Anita: That is because you lack the enhanced perception that I have

Skeptic: I perceive that you are a liar

Anita: What?

Skeptic: Don't start that sh** again

Anita: I can put my big toe in my ear

Skeptic: WTF does that have to do with anything?

Anita: It matters because diabetics have blood sugar problems

Skeptic: And that makes you able to see missing kidneys?

Anita: No, I already told you, What is on second

Skeptic: You still haven't provided proof, and you failed all your tests

Anita: Ah, but I didn't fail because I wasn't specific

Skeptic: Semantics.

Anita: I can only see semantics if you are naked

Skeptic: *zip*

Anita: Hmm, very interesting

Skeptic: How many fingers am I holding up behind my back?

Anita: 12

Skeptic: BS, nobody has 12 fingers

Anita: I didn't say fingers, I only said the number 12

Skeptic: You... bah I give up.

Anita: See, that is proof of my abilities!
 
Anita is convinced she has power to see visions from touching....so why not leave it at that? Unless you skeptics are trying to rule her.
 
I love how this thread is titled "she's done", and yet 140+ posts later it is still the same back and forth rhetoric. Here is a breakdown of the typical Anita thread:


Anita: I can look into peoples' bodies and see their illnesses, and kidneys!

Skeptic: Where is your proof?

Anita: My proof is that you don't have proof that I didn't

Skeptic: That isn't proof

Anita: Yes it is

Skeptic: No, it isn't

Anita: Then answer me this, who's on first?

Skeptic: What?

Anita: No, What is on second. I asked who's on first.

Skeptic: Who is on second?

Anita: No, Who is on third, What is on second.

Skeptic: You are confusing me

Anita: That is because you lack the enhanced perception that I have

Skeptic: I perceive that you are a liar

Anita: What?

Skeptic: Don't start that sh** again

Anita: I can put my big toe in my ear

Skeptic: WTF does that have to do with anything?

Anita: It matters because diabetics have blood sugar problems

Skeptic: And that makes you able to see missing kidneys?

Anita: No, I already told you, What is on second

Skeptic: You still haven't provided proof, and you failed all your tests

Anita: Ah, but I didn't fail because I wasn't specific

Skeptic: Semantics.

Anita: I can only see semantics if you are naked

Skeptic: *zip*

Anita: Hmm, very interesting

Skeptic: How many fingers am I holding up behind my back?

Anita: 12

Skeptic: BS, nobody has 12 fingers

Anita: I didn't say fingers, I only said the number 12

Skeptic: You... bah I give up.

Anita: See, that is proof of my abilities!
Nice :)

How about this:

Anita is to Jane Fonda, what the woos are to the Viet Cong, and what the skeptics are to Adrian Cronauer :)

And I won't say who Forest Gump is :rolleyes:
 
Dear Anita,

Officially, I speak only for myself when I write this. As I refer to skeptics (or we, us) understand that I am speaking only in general terms with the reasonable belief that there are many who have thoughts on this similar to mine. With that said...

You must be as tired of this as the rest of us. It is time for you to consider very seriously the path you are on, because at this point it doesn't look like it's having a positive impact on your life. I am weary, and I know others are tired, frustrated and even disgusted by all of this. Let's look at this in the simplest terms possible.

First, as far as your claims go, it is pointless to continue trying to convince us there is any merit to them. We have been over the same ground countless times. The IIG protocol was barely acceptable in terms of standards of evidence (we discussed the protocol at length in another thread). Any "evidence" you offer that is below that standard, which is everything else you have presented, will be by default considered unacceptable. No amount of arguing will persuade us otherwise. Likewise, no quantity of anecdotes or informal videos will convince us of anything.

So, please stop trying. There is nothing to be gained. When you have actually passed a test at least as stringent and well-documented as the IIG test, then we'll pay attention. If you can arrange such a test, don't even tell us about it beforehand. If you pass, come share your story. If you fail and it turns out to be the straw that finally breaks the woo-camel's back, come share your story. Otherwise, please don't bother.

Second, why do you need our "support" or whatever anyway? Why do you spend so much time trying to convince us that you have really good reasons for not calling your claim "falsified." It's a rhetorical question, so please don't answer. My point is that you already know our standards for accepting any such claim - they are the same for all other claims. Obviously, your standards differ.

Third, by my estimation you have written over a million words about yourself and your claims. Everything new you tell us will be compared to what you have said before. Every seeming contradiction will be pointed out. Why? Because we have no other evidence to work with. Look, if you took the MDC and demonstrated twice under controlled conditions that you could make purple monkeys fly out of your butt, then we skeptics would have no choice but to say, "Anita can make purple monkeys fly out of her butt."

All of your anecdotes about how sometimes the monkeys were blue or how they don't always fly out of your butt or how sometimes you think they are but they were just ordinary farts won't matter one damn bit. Nobody will talk about any of that stuff because the evidence will speak for itself.

What you have to stop doing is speaking for the evidence.

As for your alleged journey to skepticism, many of us don't buy it. Like with the purple monkeys metaphor, we'll believe it when we see it, so don't try to convince us with mere words. Hell, even if you perform a complete transformation to Full Blown Skeptic and go on tour with Penn & Teller, it's going to take a while for people to be convinced. By your own admission you have a lifetime of woo beliefs tightly integrated into your being, and that's not easily undone. You can't force us to be believe your transformation because the transformation will speak for itself.

What you have to do is stop speaking for the transformation.

There is nothing left for you to gain from the skeptics. We have given you countless tests for you to attempt, so go do them. We have described in painful detail just how you should approach your claims, so take that information and run with it. We have nothing new to tell you. Nothing. And most of us are too tired and frustrated to repeat it all again.

You are now a member of two skeptic groups, and you're dating one of the officers of the IIG. You don't need to do any of this publicly. You should, like countless millions have done before you, approach this privately and thoughtfully. Obviously, this public spectacle sucks up enormous amounts of your time and accomplishes nothing. If you want to document your experiences, go right ahead. Like any good documentarian (that's somebody who creates documentaries rather than lives on them instead of food and water), don't publish anything until you're done. Organize the information in a meaningful way and share your story. Let the events speak for themselves.

What you have to do is stop speaking for the events.

There's nothing left to be said here. We know the claims. You know our stance on them. You know what evidence we would find satisfactory. There's nothing you can tell us that will change any of that.

So, just go about your skeptical transformation in private, because it is a private thing. If you continue with this publicly, there will be no escaping the accusations of exhibitionism, which is what this really is. Document it if you feel compelled, but like with any good story, don't share it until it's done.

The reason is simple: Everything new you share is the last chapter. That means we skeptics will rip it to shreds because we don't want people believing this nonsense. However, if you don't publish until it's done, then what choices do you leave us? I see two:

1) You've proven your claims. We skeptics who scoffed will have to accept the evidence. There will be no need to tear apart your anecdotes because we will have to strongly consider that your ability, not chance or other mundane factors, was at work.

2) You've become a hardcore skeptic who has rejected her beliefs. Again, there will be no need to tear apart your anecdotes because we know how the story ends. It will all be part of a valuable lesson.

What you are doing now, however, is putting yourself in the center of a public spectacle that has resulted in personal attacks, threats of lawsuits, threats of police actions, accusations of harassment, threats to get people fired, accusations of mental illness, fraud, and lying. It could all have been avoided had you simply engaged a few trusted people to privately explore your claims.

It seems to me you are now in a perfect position to explore things privately. Take your websites down with an explanation that in the best interests of everyone involved you will only share your story when the claims are confirmed or falsified. That's how real scientists work. Scientists don't publish as they go along. They document, then when they are done, they spend a tremendous amount of time finding a way to present the information logically, thoroughly and concisely. Then, and only then, do they submit it for peer review.

Do that, and you will earn the grudging respect of a lot of people, myself included. If you continue down this path, I see little good that came come from it.
 
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UncaYimmy, that entire rant was completely without merit. How do you know that purple monkeys don't fly out of her butt? Did you stick your head up there and look? Maybe the monkeys are on professional leave, or they are just shy around strangers. I find it appalling that you would level such fetid cynicism at this woman, when she is simply trying to conduct a serious investigation into her buttmonkeys.

You can make semantics about blue and red monkeys all you want, but your baseless assertions are an insult to Anita, purple monkeys, and farts. I think you owe us all a public apology for your arrogance.
 
Anita is convinced she has power to see visions from touching....
Funny thing about that... I never saw what any of this has to do with touching/feeling anything or any part of anybody. In my limited experience it appears to be a rather small and insignificant fraction of her overall set of claims, so why did she make it part of her "name" here?
 
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What I am saying is this:

1) My reading with Mark did not falsify the claim as I did not provide any information that was confirmed as inaccurate.

2) To not state whether a health condition is there/not there does not open that particular health information into consideration for the accuracy or validity of the claim, as my claim never was, nor does it need to be, that I would detect all health information that is considered to exist in a person.

3) I did not deliberately conclude on "no ailments that I can see" in Mark in order to avoid falsification of this claim. As evidenced by another reading I had during this trip in which I correctly knew that a person has used cocaine; information I have never given to anyone else during a reading before, and in amidst other information that is more vague and difficult to check for accuracy of.

4) The hand under the napkin test does nothing to further my investigation. My investigation had already established that such screens that hide the outline of the part of the body I am seeing block the claim from manifesting. The condition of no such screens does not make this an untestable claim, nor makes it undeserving of further attention.

5) If there is any Skeptic who knows of someone who is either missing a kidney or is missing their uterus and would be able to gather themselves and these and other persons to volunteer, for a test of my claim, please let me know. I will travel to your location and be responsible for the costs associated with the test. Then please make arrangements with me.

6) I am sure you have some interesting thoughts there, UncaYimmy, but please clean up your language and I may reconsider reading it.
 
Anita is convinced she has power to see visions from touching....
Funny thing about that... I never saw what any of this has to do with touching/feeling anything or any part of anybody. In my limited experience it appears to be a rather small and insignificant fraction of her overall set of claims, so why did she make it part of her "name" here?
When I look at people I remotely feel a pattern of vibrational information, similar to when we feel the temperature map above candles or ice cubes, it is feeling without direct physical touch on the objects. This experience of feeling then translates into shapes and into something that I can see, which ends up depicting the inside of a person's body and health information. So I call it Vision From Feeling.
 
Funny thing about that... I never saw what any of this has to do with touching feeling anything or any part of anybody. In my limited experience to be a rather small and insignificant fraction of her overall set of claims, so why did she make it part of her "name" here?

Feeling = Emotion
Feeling <> Touch

I've covered it before, but my basic theory is that she gets "feelings" about things, especially people. We all do. She may not be consciously aware of what causes those feelings. For example, suppose you see a woman of child-bearing years go to the restroom and bring her purse instead of leaving it with her boyfriend. She's not wearing make-up, and when she returns, she's still not wearing make-up and her hair looks the same. Why did she bring her purse?

If you thought menstruation, give yourself a gold star. Hell, there's probably a 1 in 5 chance any woman that age around you is on her period. The purse thing, while not definitive, probably increases the odds. If she looks a little uncomfortable, has swollen ankles, and pops a Motrin after her meal, it's looking very likely, right?

If you're the imaginative sort, especially one who started as a child "seeing" things others couldn't see, maybe you construct an image in your mind of a bloody uterus. You just "feel" something and a "vision" comes to your head. Later, you screw up the nerve to ask her, and by golly, you're right! An amazing feat when there's no way you could have known! The next week when you catch a glimpse of a woman and sense a diaphragm (maybe because you saw one advertised in Cosmo last night), it's just another amazing vision from feeling!

This is typical of the anecdotes we hear except we never hear about the potential clues. It's like when she sensed neck pain in a friend. Turns out that he had been to an air show earlier that day, only VFF didn't "know" about it. Right. A friend coming to your house after the air show didn't bother to mention it. Nobody mentioned an air show that day. And he wasn't red from the sun or holding his neck at an awkward angle. No, sir, it was a bona fide example of amazing medical accuracy with no external clues.

Sigh...
 
As my most careful follower, Jim, I am surprised that you still got that wrong. I do not mean "feeling" as a "hunch". I literally feel a pattern like touching along a landscape of a temperature map or a potential difference. It is a tactile sensation that occurs in my mind.
 
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6) I am sure you have some interesting thoughts there, UncaYimmy, but please clean up your language and I may reconsider reading it.

Umm, this makes no sense. You are telling him you will only read his post if he cleans up his language. However, you could not possibly know if his language is "cleaned up" or not unless you read it. So did you actually read it, or are you simply ignoring what he posts, and just using the excuse of the theoretical uncleanliness of the language?
 
As my most careful follower, Jim, I am surprised that you still got that wrong. I do not mean "feeling" as a "hunch". I literally feel a pattern like touching along a landscape of a temperature map or a potential difference. It is a tactile sensation that occurs in my mind.

By definition you cannot have a "tactile sensation" in your mind. A tactile sensation, is, how shall I put this...I know: of, pertaining to, endowed with, or affecting the sense of touch.

What you experience is all in your mind, which is where your emotions exist. Therefore, Feeling=Emotion, just like I said. There are no sensory organs involved. It's all a figment of your overactive imagination.

ETA: I'm not a follower. I'm an observer. Learn the difference.
 
Since this was in direct response to me I guess I'll respond to it rather than all the other nonsense with an added lesson in how not to ramble.

The claim is falsified because you very clearly have no super powers. Logic is a normal power and I find you lacking in those as well. Allow me to propose a hypothetical example. A known pathological liar claims that he or she has an invisible unicorn in his or her garage. Why bother going through the motions of skepticism when it saves a lot of time and nonsense to simply call B.S. on the whole affair? Personality and psychological conditions matter.
Unfortunately I have experiences with my claim now and then in which I accurately describe health information that I should not have known. I suppose it is a good idea to start carrying a "documentation kit" with me where ever I go to try to capture all experiences with the claim and be able to share those with you. Pen, papers, health checklist, camera and video recording equipment. You have not witnessed my personal experiences with this claim simply because you were not present at those times, but that does not allow you to conclude on them as lies although it does grant you the right to question their honesty. They are also not the case of delusions as their occurrence and accuracy were confirmed by others present. Just not documented. That is why you and I are in disagreement as to the importance and continuation of this claim.

No, that is not why we are in disagreement. We are in disagreement because you constantly and completely fail to demonstrate any super powers. It's that simple. Deal with it.

VisionFromFeeling said:
"Taking responsibility for your own actions" includes your failures. As far as your paranormal claimS are concerned you are a TOTAL failure.
Some of you internet Skeptics confuse my lengthy study with real tests. The study involved several scenarios testing test design, and deliberately set up to study the claim under conditions in which it may be likely to fail, so to map out the outer boundaries of what test conditions the claim can perform under. This is a normal procedure done in any scientific research. If I deliberately set up to test my claim with a full-body screen, knowing that my claim is likely to not form perceptions then, then such a failure under those conditions does not lead to falsification of the claim. There is a difference in exploring test parameters during the formation of a clearer understanding of the claim and in formation of test design, and to then agree to test conditions and to fail then during a formal test. Perhaps you are not a research scientist, but I am educating myself to become one.

The only traits you have in common with a scientific researchers are with those who choose to fudge the data and ignore the truth. It's that simple. Deal with it.

VisionFromFeeling said:
One more thing, was Carlson naked when you really really did see that he was missing a kidney? No napkins? Nothing?
I need to look at the person I am reading and to see the outline of the part of the body that I am looking into. Clothing, for some reason, is ok, but screens are not. I do not pretend to insist that anything paranormal is going on. I have studied the claim under various conditions and outlined the requirements it has to perform, and I do agree that the conditions required do perhaps provide clues as to what normal, as opposed to paranormal, event is occurring.

The conditions under which the claim does manifest and all of its requirements as to screens or no screens and other conditions, still boils down to a claim of the unusual that we may for these purposes call a "paranormal claim".

A completely debunked paranormal claim. The claim however is very normal considering it simply does not work. It's that simple. Deal with it.

Allow me to reinsert what you omitted from my post:
But that is not the point of this particular thread. You've proven yet again that you are full of it. That's what really matters. You can clown around all you want, pal around with whomever you care to, call yourself a skeptic all day long, but it changes nothing.

Thank you and good night.
 

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