Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Fulcanelli]

Ah...jam tomorrow.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Fulcanelli. I asked a couple of simple questions. I was polite about it. Why the defensive angry tone?

 

[Fulcanelli]

As far as I'm aware, one can still email the Admins. There is a contact address. It's the same on all sites where one can't log in.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Am I wrong to say that you are a site administrator there?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Fulcanelli. I asked a couple of simple questions. I was polite about it. Why the defensive angry tone?

Because your first two posts were to spam to your own site and then almost your very next post was to bring a personal conflict you are having with another site over here. It's not the best way to introduce oneself.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I certainly didn't join JREF to talk about PMF. I would much rather talk about the case. I just wondered about those couple of things. I saw you and Kermit on here so I thought i would ask.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I would hardly call it a personal conflict. That would be putting way to much emphasis on it. I was just curious, that's all. The questions weren't really complicated. I'm sorry If I upset you in any way.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Then do you have a point to make about the actual case?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

So we are going to skip the questions then?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Certainly not, if they are about the case.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

The prosecution stated that Amanda and Raffaele staged the break in to frame Rudy Guede. The court was told that Amanda and Raffaele broke the window in Filomena's room and ransacked the room to make the homicide look like a botched robbery attempt. Filomena went into her room several times on November 2nd, before the discovery of Meredith's body. She told the police that she saw glass on top of her clothing from the broken window.

The prosecution used her statement to make the case that the room was ransacked before the window was broken. They stated that the clothes were thrown around and then the window was broken. The prosecution stated that the window was broken from the inside in an attempt to make it look like someone broke in.

There are many problems with this basic assumption. Many more factors come into play. It's easy to say, glass was on top of the clothes, case closed. But it simply doesn't work that way. Has anyone thought that it is very possible that the room was not tidy? I believe the clothes were on the floor to begin with. It is also safe to say that glass would have been on the furniture and on the bed spread in the room. Keep in mind, the room is very small.

I disagree with the assumption that the room was ransacked. I think the room was a mess from the start. The pile of clothes on the floor were not thrown there to stage a break in. The clothes on the floor appear to be a pile of dirty clothes. I believe these clothes were already on the floor when Rudy broke the window.

Rudy Guede broke the window so he could release the latch and open the window. After he murdered Meredith, he most likely searched the room looking for money. It would be speculation to say what he was searching for. During his search, it would be reasonable to say that he was moving things around in the small room. The glass would have been free to land anywhere.

Filomena was in her room several times in the morning following Meredith's murder looking for her belongings. When she was searching her room, she likely would have knocked some of the glass off of the table or the bed onto the floor or anywhere else for that matter.

Investigators simply did not properly investigate this room. They never checked to see if there was glass under the clothes. They never photographed any glass on top of the clothes. There are two places on the floor where it appears that the clothes have been stepped on. There were no tests done at all on these areas. I believe that there is dust on the clothes from the outside brick wall. I believe Rudy climbed up the wall and stepped into the room onto the clothes. Due to the lack of investigation, we will never know exactly what happened.

There is photographic evidence showing that the rock was thrown from outside the cottage.
The outside shutters were open. Filomena stated that she did not remember if she closed the shutters. The inside shutters were pushed closed but not latched.

The rock broke the glass and hit the inside shutter causing damage to the wood. The rock then fell downward toward the floor catching the edge of a glossy black paper shopping bag. The rock knocked the bag over and came to rest on the tile floor on the edge of the bag. The photographs clearly show dust from the rock and small pieces of the rock that had broken free caused by the impact of the rock hitting the tile floor.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Fulcanelli, We can continue the discussion tomorrow. It is late here. Give it some thought about answering my simple questions. You and I both know that you have the answers. I don't see any reason for any anger. I am not a bad guy. I am more than willing to discuss every aspect of this case. So maybe you can slow down a little bit on the attack and we can have a nice conversation.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Well, let me examine your 'forensic expert's' claims from the page you linked earlier:

The prosecution alleged that the break in was staged and that no one actually climbed through the window to gain entry to the cottage. They stated that the room was ransacked to make it look like a burglary and that the rock was thrown from inside the cottage to break the window. When I analyze the crime scene photographs I see a completely different scenario. The photographs below show that the rock was thrown from outside the cottage. There is absolutely no evidence that the break in was staged. There was no investigation done on the room to conclude that the break in was staged. The room shown below belonged to Filomena. She is one of the four women that lived in the cottage. Filomena went into her room several times on November 2nd, before the discovery of Meredith's body. She told the police that she saw glass on top of her clothing from the broken window.

These are rather bold claims. He can tell all this merely from photos? He doesn't consider witness testimony to be important at all then...that, for example, the shutters to Filomena's room were actually CLOSED. This he is not able to tell from photographs, because here the shutters have been opened. Neither do they show the outside of the cottage, 'where the rock would have to be thrown 'from' and why that makes it all a little silly.

He then makes a breathtaking claim..."There was no investigation done on the room to tell that the break in was staged" What? He can tell that from the photographs can he? Clearly then he has not read the case file or the Judges Report which goes into extensive detail of the investigations done in the room, the window frame, the wall leading up to the window or the ground down below the window, along with the floor in Filomena's room. The judge is quite painstaking in detail outlining why the break-in was staged. and I think he needs to read that before going on and making far fetched claims.

He then goes on to say:

The clothing was already on the floor when Rudy broke the window and climbed into the room.

Interesting that he concedes here that the clothing was already on the floor when the window was broken (so it 'was' staged then?), but then he spoils it with "when Rudy broke the window and climbed into the room". So, at this point, right at the very start of his analyses, he has already concluded that the window was broken by somebody 'else' other then Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito and that that somebody 'else' was Rudy Guede. He can tell all that from a few photos and convict and name a lone wolf intruder. Wow, how could the FBI ever let him retire and let that one get away?

That's just all from the first two paragraphs. I could go on, but I really don't know if I can be bothered or not.

 

[Fulcanelli]

The prosecution stated that Amanda and Raffaele staged the break in to frame Rudy Guede. The court was told that Amanda and Raffaele broke the window in Filomena's room and ransacked the room to make the homicide look like a botched robbery attempt. Filomena went into her room several times on November 2nd, before the discovery of Meredith's body. She told the police that she saw glass on top of her clothing from the broken window.

The prosecution used her statement to make the case that the room was ransacked before the window was broken. They stated that the clothes were thrown around and then the window was broken. The prosecution stated that the window was broken from the inside in an attempt to make it look like someone broke in.

Actually, it was not only Filomena who witnessed the glass on top of her clothing and computer, but also the the two Postal Police and Raffaele and Amanda, because the police pointed it out to them at the time.

 

[Fulcanelli]

There are many problems with this basic assumption. Many more factors come into play. It's easy to say, glass was on top of the clothes, case closed. But it simply doesn't work that way. Has anyone thought that it is very possible that the room was not tidy? I believe the clothes were on the floor to begin with. It is also safe to say that glass would have been on the furniture and on the bed spread in the room. Keep in mind, the room is very small.

Well, Filomena would disagree with you Bruce, unless she is a liar? Did she throw her compter on the floor too...the one she had to pick up and shake all the glass off?

So is this to be the new line....'Well yes, room was ransacked before the window was broken but Filomena was the culprit'?

 

[Amazer]

This is my first post. I would like to introduce myself. My name is Bruce Fisher. I created the site Injustice in Perugia.

The link below shows a detailed photographic analysis of the break in. You will have to add the w's



injusticeinperugia.org/window.html

I've had a look at the pictures that you have provided on your website. And I do have a few observations.

The area where the rock landed if it were thrown from outside is a little weird. I cannot think of any scenario where a rock that size flies through a glass window, damages the shutter to the extend it has. Only to have it bounce at a rather odd angle with all forward momentum gone to the ground but yet have enough force to knock over both the shoulder bag and paper bag.

Also, there appears to some rock slivers below the torn paper bag. If that's the case, it would also tell us that something strange is going on since the bulk of the stone is on top of the paper bag. How did those slivers end up there.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Filomena was in her room several times in the morning following Meredith's murder looking for her belongings. When she was searching her room, she likely would have knocked some of the glass off of the table or the bed onto the floor or anywhere else for that matter.

This is untrue. The police her allowed her as they watched, to enter and retrieve her computer. She picked up her computer and left the room, that's all.

 

[Oliebol]

if the window was broken from inside, why is there glass on the window ledge? how did they do that?

 

[pipelineaudio]

Because your first two posts were to spam to your own site and then almost your very next post was to bring a personal conflict you are having with another site over here. It's not the best way to introduce oneself.

Time to apply for the MDC...apparently you read much more and different into the poster's mind than what he typed

 

[stilicho]

if the window was broken from inside, why is there glass on the window ledge? how did they do that?

There would be glass on the window ledge regardless of the direction of impact.

@Bruce Fisher:

Your theory that RG ransacked Filomena's room is unsupported by any evidence. It is a well-known FOA meme that Rudy left evidence of his presence "everywhere" at the cottage.

But he didn't.

He left no evidence of his presence whatsoever in Filomena's room.

Your hypothesis is the first time I've heard someone suggest that Filomena essentially trashed her own room. Maybe she shattered her own window with a rock, too. If it hasn't been explicitly ruled out then that should be investigated. Right?

Nobody has ever been able to demonstrate, regardless of which way the window was broken, how anyone could enter the cottage that way without leaving some evidence of having done so. Maybe you will be the first. If you can, then I'll bet there's a job for you as a burglary expert for the defence.