Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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If it would have been a serrated knife the coroner would have picked that up I assume. The reason for that is that a serrated knife is more likely to tear flesh resulting in ragged edges than to cut it.
 
stilicho said:
How do we know that one of the spoons isn't sharpened to a point? I would like to see a Photoshop demonstration for that too. We must eliminate all possible alternatives before accepting that the double-DNA knife was the only candidate for testing from the "Drawer Of Hostile Cutlery".
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Wait! THERE ARE FORKS IN THE DRAWER! How do we know the fatal wound wasn't made with a fork?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Wait! THERE ARE FORKS IN THE DRAWER! How do we know the fatal wound wasn't made with a fork?
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Man Killed With Fork
POSTED: Monday, September 26, 2005
UPDATED: 8:10 am EDT September 28, 2005
A Green Bay, Wis., man is charged with killing his neighbor with a fork, according to police.

Investigators said Gordon Senecal was taking care of Todd Charles' 15-year-old pit bull over the weekend when an argument broke out between the two men.
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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/5021627/detail.html
 
halides1 said:
I cannot see any serrations or see what looks like a blunt end. How certain are you of either of these things?
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Shuttit and Bob pointed out to you where the serrations are.

You can't see the blunt end of the knife because of the angle that the blade is at.

However, a bread knife is a bread knife. It doesn't have an end which can make puncture wounds, like the Double DNA Knife or a flick knife. As Moss pointed out, it's designed to "saw" bread, not cut flesh.

 
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If it would have been a serrated knife the coroner would have picked that up I assume. The reason for that is that a serrated knife is more likely to tear flesh resulting in ragged edges than to cut it.
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I find it difficult to believe that there is only one non-serrated knife in the kitchen. I have at least four in my kitchen that I can think of (two paring knives, maybe an old picnic knife, etc). Moreover, if there were only one knife, why would the policeman who took it need to justify his choice (the justification depends on the news outlet)?
 
halides1 said:
I find it difficult to believe that there is only one non-serrated knife in the kitchen. I have at least four in my kitchen that I can think of (two paring knives, maybe an old picnic knife, etc). Moreover, if there were only one knife, why would the policeman who took it need to justify his choice (the justification depends on the news outlet)?
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1) When I was a student, I only had blunt knives like the set that we see in the photo. I don't see Raffaele as a guy who spends a lot of his time trying out new recipes.

2) Why do you worry about the "justification" of the policeman? ... you answer your question yourself by saying that there are different versions depending on which paper you read. Most reports I read didn't have any sort of "justification". (I learned through a newspaper that Amanda had sex on a train with a stranger ... am I overly concerned? Am I convinced that it's necessarily true?)
 
Kermit said:
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1) When I was a student, I only had blunt knives like the set that we see in the photo. I don't see Raffaele as a guy who spends a lot of his time trying out new recipes.

2) Why do you worry about the "justification" of the policeman? ... you answer your question yourself by saying that there are different versions depending on which paper you read. Most reports I read didn't have any sort of "justification". (I learned through a newspaper that Amanda had sex on a train with a stranger ... am I overly concerned? Am I convinced that it's necessarily true?)
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If there were only one nonserrated knife, the policeman would presumably have said, "I took the only knife I found."
 
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And then you would have shown the picture, with the bread knife and the table knives and you would have said he was lying. I see how this works :rolleyes:
 
Sfarzo on Giobbi

Frank Sfarzo wrote, “As we know, indeed, the troubles of Amanda started with the fact that she went to the police station when the call was only for Raffaele. According to Rita, according to Monica, according to Lorena Zugarini…Remember how many times Amanda was rebuked for having gone when she wasn't supposed to? ...And so, now the police is in contradiction, not the lovebirds, now is their time to give explanation, their time to justify leaps in the memory about an evening. The one that emerged today is a very important detail because it doubts the credibility of Perugia police and of the Assistant Chief who had a key role in the events of that long night of November 5.”

Amanda’s testimony (message #2400, page 59) is irrelevant to what Frank rightly deems a contradiction between the police and Dr. Giobbi. Either the police lied, or Dr. Giobbi lied. Either the police lied about the receipts, or the Times’ Richard Owen made the story up out of whole cloth (the latter seems unlikely). These are not cases of the police being “wrong in their analysis,” as Moss suggested might be true about the CCTV footage (message #6689). Frank is correct to point out that the lie about the interview casts doubt on the credibility of the police. The same holds true about the bleach receipt.
 
halides1 said:
Frank Sfarzo wrote, “As we know, indeed...
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Can we conclude the subject of the Drawer Of Knifey-Spooney Things first? You left it dangling without agreeing that there is no deep mystery, as FOA has alleged for at least a year, about why the police thought that the knife they took was the only possible one there.

I know you desperately want to change the subject but let's put this one back in its drawer so we never have to argue about it again on this thread or in this lifetime.
 
shuttlt said:
Could you produce the text of the press release that went with the "bloody" bathroom photo?
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I did a little research on this and it appears from the accounts in several papers that only the two photographs were released at that time. If it's important, I suppose that Frank would have the full release and could answer your question.
 
halides1 said:
If there were only one nonserrated knife, the policeman would presumably have said, "I took the only knife I found."
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BobTheDonkey said:
So where are the other pointed knives in the picture?
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They're in Area 51 in the Nevada desert. The passengers who deplaned from United Airlines flight 93 needed utensils in their pre-fab living units.

Elvis drops by every evening for a round of poker and some of that great Air Force beer.
 
Dan O. said:
If it's important, I suppose that Frank would have the full release and could answer your question.
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We'll leave that to you.

Don't you think that it's better for each one of us to dig up the links and documentation to support our own affirmations, rather than passing the buck to your audience?

It's like saying: "If you're really interested in proving what I just said to you, I'll let you spend a half hour or so of your worthless time to find support for my allegations".
 
Dan O. said:
I did a little research on this and it appears from the accounts in several papers that only the two photographs were released at that time. If it's important, I suppose that Frank would have the full release and could answer your question.
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Which papers? The SUN and the Telegraphs talk about "photographs", but don't give numbers. The Telegraph article includes four crime scene photographs. I guess they could be from seperate press releases.
 
Frank's blog says "Police gave out two more pictures for our bloody album". The mail says "In chilling new photographs released by Italian police". Both indicating that this was not the first release and Frank limiting the number of pictures to 2 (though it's left open that there could be other non bloody pictures in the release). A picture of the bloody bra on Meredith's floor clipped from the larger picture of Meredith's room was published a couple of days earlier.

But this is straying from the request for the text released with the photos. None of the sources I've found indicate that there was any text.
 
Kermit said:
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And now we're on to bleach receipts (again).

Don't these guys like to conclude (or even hold) a discussion after throwing an issue into the debate?

I feel like they're launching clay pigeons, waiting, just waiting for us to miss one, so they can claim victory.
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In the Evolution/ID debates it's called The Gish Gallop.

Throw misleading questions and out of context quotes at your opponent til he drowns in a sea of stupidity.
 
Thanks for giving it a go Dan O. It is disappointing that a picture like the bathroom one would be so misleadingly labeled. Quite a number of people, the journalist, the subeditor etc... must have looked at that and been happy to call it a bloody bathroom. The Sun and the Telegraph are not the greatest of papers, but still... the only place I've seen blood that colour is in 1950's westerns.

Still, it was in the context of another picture where the blood was genuine and, in order to realize that the bathroom being bloody would be much more significant for Amanda's story than the bedroom, one would have to have a half decent knowledge of the case.
 
Dan O. said:
Frank's blog says "Police gave out two more pictures for our bloody album". The mail says "In chilling new photographs released by Italian police".
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I think that after most violent crimes which for one reason or another catch the eye of the public, it is normal for police to release some images.

The qualifier "bloody" in your post comes not from the police but rather from Frank.

Did the police tell the Mail to say the photos were "chilling"? Who decided that they were chilling? On the original Haloscan TrueCrime discussion board (the precursor to PMF), it took us all of 2 minutes to decide that that gooey looking pink substance in the bathroom image wasn't blood.
 
I'm midly curious about one thing: Why do people trust Amanda Knox's accusation about getting hit and/or being led into a false account about what happened on the night of the murder? What has she done to deserve that trust? There seems to be a lack of corroborating evidence and testimony, so why do some of you trust her over the law enforcement and judiciary system?
 
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