Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Waterman said:
You made several factual statements about the contents of the bible and the literary style found therein (Reasons 1, 2, 3 & 9). However your arguments break down is that you start running off on OPINIONS about what these literary style and elements means. Those are unfounded opinion. Furthermore when the writing is good, exciting and draws the reader in it is evidence of truth when the writing is difficult and boring it is evidence of truth.

Reason 10 as presented has been pointed out time and again and faulty reasoning. Please identify the NON-OPINION based pieces of evidence that I have overlooked.



FACT the detail is included
OPINION it supports truth of Bible.
ERROR this is a reference to a literary style and if you actually read the discussion on the topic it only refers to the probability of truth regarding the embarrassing detail not the entirety of the story.
ERROR this only applies to the authors details about himself, as has been pointed out much of the bible is written by unknown authors after years of oral tradition and are only attributed to certain individuals at a later date. This in itself renders Reason #1 invalid.



FACT the detail is included
OPINION it supports the idea of the truth of Bible.
ERROR this an assessment of the content of the bible and discussing the literary style elements of story telling. The same can be said about Harry Potter, Bilbo Baggins, Hercules and other flawed heroes. It is not an indication of truth.



FACT the sayings are included
OPINION it supports the idea of the truth of Bible.
ERROR Christianity started as a sect of Judaism and comes from a demanding but relatively exclusive tradition. The early Christian teachings were modifying Judaic tradition to open the door to the family of god to non-Jews. It was not the creation of completely new religion, it was the same demanding god of the Jewish traditions but a little more tolerant (but not a lot). It would be more surprising if it DIDN”T include demanding sayings.

4-8 not included in post #1



FACT some of the story telling is boring
OPINION this is an indication of Truth.
ERROR this is a commentary on writing style only and cannot be used an evidence of anything other than a writing style and what that may or may not evoke in the reader.



FACT people do have strong cherished beliefs that they are willing to die for
OPINION this ‘adds weight’ to the belief being true.
ERROR this only is indicative the conviction of the believers (Suicide Bombers, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Heavens Gate) not of the factual truth of their belief.
Click to expand...


Outstanding.

DOC, if you do not respond to this post and instead choose to answer subsequent posts, particularly if it they do not directly address the OP, it will be evidence that you have no interest in substantiative debate and are simply wasting people's time and energy. You have been warned.
 
Hokulele said:
Outstanding.

DOC, if you do not respond to this post and instead choose to answer subsequent posts, particularly if it they do not directly address the OP, it will be evidence that you have no interest in substantiative debate and are simply wasting people's time and energy. You have been warned.
Click to expand...
It's been 19 months since the OP. Who here is under any delusion that DOC is interested in substantive debate?
 
Toke said:
I am feeling a bit left out.
Could I get a role as extra nutty prophet, like jesus's stunt double or such.
Our Pharaoh suggested "Toke of Nazareth"
It sounds fine to me, and I shall bring my own mud, staff, and 3 chicken.
Click to expand...

Forget the chickens. I'm the caterer, remember? Why do you need the chickens for anyway? Do you want 3 live chickens? That can be arranged as well. Would you like free-range or caged? :p:D
 
One minor correction:
kmortis said:
Updated for your convenience
Evidence for why we know the N/T writers were telling the truth
or
The Nightmare Before Easter​


Written by
the JREF Repitoire​
Starring:
DOC as DOC
These boots as DOC's Stunt Double
Akhenaten as Yul Brenner as Ramses
Lothian as Hokulele
Cleon as Akhenaten
kmortis as joobz
fire troll from WoW as kmortis
paximperium as God
Sir William Ramsay as paximerium as God
carlitos as Norman Geisler
Elizabeth I as the Spunky, hard hitting, yet sexy girl reporter (aka Gwennie)
Lucian as Luke, the World's Greatest Historiantm
Hokulele as Thomas "Super Christian" Jefferson
Helen as the Evidence aka the character not present in this movie
Donald Rumsfeld as Pilate
Colin Firth as the Spunky, hard hitting, yet sexy girl reporter's love interest.
Robbie Coltrane as Jewish Elder #1
Wolrab as Wolrabrel and Gospel Author
joobz as Logic
BRIAN BLESSED as John the Baptist
six7s as Circular Reasoning
and Simon as Appeal to Authority​



Narrated by Stephen Fry
Produced by Tim Burton
Directed by Donald Rumsfeld Rob Zombie
Asst. to Mr. Firth - Helen
​


Test Audience:
jond​



Pharoah,
Do you think you could snazzy this up with some graphics?

Also, if I cast six7s as Circular Reasoning, who's gonna play six7s?​
Click to expand...
Cite for this being the correct rendering. (Warning: TVTropes link, I am not liable for the hours of your life you are about to waste.)
 
amb said:
Forget the chickens. I'm the caterer, remember? Why do you need the chickens for anyway? Do you want 3 live chickens? That can be arranged as well. Would you like free-range or caged? :p:D
Click to expand...

Caterer? they are... forget it.
Lets just drop the chicken, there are ratings to consider.
 
We need some swine. Jeebus sent the swine over a cliff to perish. I suppose we could substitute chickens if you prefer. But it's more authentic with pigs.
But if we shoot this thing on location, we may have a slight problem with the swine.
Has anyone been picked to play Jeezus yet? It has to be someone who can stand pain and be prepared to be crucified and has to resurrect a couple of days later. We are making a blockbuster here. Cecil B De Mille, eat your heart out.
 
Updated for your convenience (aka Belz... is a whinger)

Evidence for why we know the N/T writers were telling the truth
or
The Nightmare Before Easter​



Written by
the JREF Repitoire​
Starring:
DOC as DOC
These boots as DOC's Stunt Double
Akhenaten as Yul Brenner as Ramses
Lothian as Hokulele
Cleon as Akhenaten
kmortis as joobz
fire troll from WoW as kmortis
paximperium as God
Sir William Ramsay as paximerium as God
carlitos as Norman Geisler
Elizabeth I as the Spunky, hard hitting, yet sexy girl reporter (aka Gwennie)
Lucian as Luke, the World's Greatest Historiantm
Hokulele as Thomas "Super Christian" Jefferson
Helen as the Evidence aka the character not present in this movie
Donald Rumsfeld as Pilate
Colin Firth as the Spunky, hard hitting, yet sexy girl reporter's love interest.
Robbie Coltrane as Jewish Elder #1
Wolrab as Wolrabrel and Gospel Author
joobz as Logic
BRIAN BLESSED as John the Baptist
six7s as Circular Reasoning
X as zooterkin
zooterkin as X
Toke as Doubting Thomas
TSR as Tacitus
Brainache as Poster Not Appearing In The Film
and Simon as Appeal to Authority​

And Introducing Belz... as Godwin's Law​




Narrated by Stephen Fry
Produced by Tim Burton
Directed by Donald Rumsfeld Rob Zombie
Asst. to Mr. Firth - Helen​

Craft Services by amb


Test Audience:
jond​
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom