Precision nuke? Is that anything like a supersonic turtle? Hard cotton? Soft concrete?
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Former Rooski Nucular Intelligence Officer To Blow the Reveal Entire 911 Plot
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How many months has it gone since we've had a sane Truther to talk to?
Mangoose
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911thology said:
Hey this kind of attempts a response to my own question about the survivors in the North Tower.
"stair-cases that were within surviving corners of the lowest Towers' perimeters"
Does he not even know where the staircases were??
I just watched Part 16 and indeed, 911thology is talking about surviving "corners" of the towers, on account of "off-center" placements of the nukes.ElMondoHummus
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Figures that only people in this forum could've found something filling that description off the top of their head.
Well, this forum and any of the MST3K ones out there.
Yeech... too many.
triforcharity
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Where are the victims with Radiation poisoning?
What you have described is not radiation sickness. It is a lung condition.
Now, why aren't hundreds of firefighters dropping dead? Police officers? Military? National Guard? Reporters? Citizens? The death toll should be in the high hundres of thousands. And yet, you cite 300 or so. Makes no damn sense.
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triforcharity
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I can explain in one picture that you are wrong. Dead wrong.
See here.
http://www.stopgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/sat_photo_911.jpg
LOTS OF STEEL!!
Wrong sir, just wrong.
ETA: Damn, he's gone. Who scared our little ball of string off? Damnit......
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Well, kameradski, that's just too bad.
Here you have probably one of the biggest audiences interested in 9/11 alternative theories (or the debunking thereof). This could have been your time and place in history to truly reveal what happened on 9/11.
But what do you do? You give up! Seriously? WTF?
kookbreaker
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I make it to be about 115 months starting with the Quaran wing-ding thing, folded dollar bill, Ginned up Nostradamus prophesy, and the Jews were told not to go to work. IIRC most of these were out before September was over.
Good bue to you too. Do you have more nonsense on 911. You messed up the nuke stuff, and sonic-booms, can you top that?
DGM
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Lets not forget that the planes should have "bounced off". That was my favorite (even the guy interviewing him gave him a "are you *********** me" look).
That's weird how perception for the same event can change from people to people, huh ? What I witnessed was a little more like :
1) 911thology : "pentagon was hit by a supersonic missile"
2) JREFers : "But there was no sonic boom..."
3) 911thology : "lol. Sonic boom only occur at the precise moment you reach Mach 1, don't you know ?"
4) JREFers : "mmmmmmh no... [sources]"
5) 911thology : "I won't discuss that ! absolutely not ! these are my rules !"
6) 911thology : [a moment later] "You don't deserve me. I quit."
When I see a thruther pulling lame excuses like that out of his butt, I wonder : do they really expect to fool anyone ? I mean, even other thruthers ?
Oh, it gets better, here is the personal message I received from him today.....
So, I answered all three of your questions in comments. However, I didn't see these answers to appear in that forum where you promised them to appear. ??
I still keep that page of the JREF open - just may be someone will post there a question with sincere interest behind it. But so far I did not notice even one of this kind. Hope you realize that I did not 'escape cowardly' that ******** thread. I simply showed my disdain to the people on that thread who thought that they could set their own rules of discussion while I stated clearly from the beginning that the rules are to be set by me only. I don't mind actually to answer even a 1000 questions irrespectively of how 'inconvenient' they could be to me and how 'dangerous to my claims' they may appear. Providing only that people who ask these questions are: 1) genuinely interested in subject; 2) observe generally accepted rules of argument/discussion; 3) objective and respectful to their opponent. When it comes to the thread we are talking about it is full of 'psychotic trolls' (as Ms 'Childlike Empress' called them in one of her posts, which is now removed) and before I posted that post which set my tough condition I attentively read all posts there. So, I found that there were no genuinely interested people and none of them was going to watch the movie anyway and even if the do they have embedded opinions that I am: 1) liar; 2) incompetent; 3) impostor; 4) they resorted to personal insults. Either of these 4 qualities making discussion with these 'psychotic trolls' impossible from the point that by definition they can not observe generally accepted rules of argument along with the fact that they are not trained to show respect to their opponents during the argument. So, you have to understand that I am from another social layer than these people in the thread and I simply can not afford to participate in any discussion with them. I can't lower my self that much. I can argue with military officers, I could argue with scientists, I could argue with journalists, but not with psychotic trolls who devoted their very lives to chatting in various Internet forums rather than spending their precious times on their children or their professional careers. So, keeping all of it in mind, I intentionally set my tough conditions to show that I am not equal to them in this sense (I am a respectable person, not a full-time Internet chat-troll) and unless there will be shown due respect and required interest there will be no discussion whatsoever. Hope you understand this. These people on the thread simply did not deserve my attention and nothing more than that. So my desire to quickly quit this idiotic discussion had absolutely nothing to do with 'cowardice' it had something to do with principles: such a discussion with me (unless I held a discussion with equals whom I respect and from whom I expect due respect in return) could only proceed on MY conditions, however, on that thread it was not. That was only the case.
Best wishes.
I feel like I should direct him the the thread containing the 911 expertise question, but what good would it really do? I really think he thought he was going to come in here say some stuff and we were going to fall all over his theory because of some title he claims to be or have.
So, I answered all three of your questions in comments. However, I didn't see these answers to appear in that forum where you promised them to appear. ??
I still keep that page of the JREF open - just may be someone will post there a question with sincere interest behind it. But so far I did not notice even one of this kind. Hope you realize that I did not 'escape cowardly' that ******** thread. I simply showed my disdain to the people on that thread who thought that they could set their own rules of discussion while I stated clearly from the beginning that the rules are to be set by me only. I don't mind actually to answer even a 1000 questions irrespectively of how 'inconvenient' they could be to me and how 'dangerous to my claims' they may appear. Providing only that people who ask these questions are: 1) genuinely interested in subject; 2) observe generally accepted rules of argument/discussion; 3) objective and respectful to their opponent. When it comes to the thread we are talking about it is full of 'psychotic trolls' (as Ms 'Childlike Empress' called them in one of her posts, which is now removed) and before I posted that post which set my tough condition I attentively read all posts there. So, I found that there were no genuinely interested people and none of them was going to watch the movie anyway and even if the do they have embedded opinions that I am: 1) liar; 2) incompetent; 3) impostor; 4) they resorted to personal insults. Either of these 4 qualities making discussion with these 'psychotic trolls' impossible from the point that by definition they can not observe generally accepted rules of argument along with the fact that they are not trained to show respect to their opponents during the argument. So, you have to understand that I am from another social layer than these people in the thread and I simply can not afford to participate in any discussion with them. I can't lower my self that much. I can argue with military officers, I could argue with scientists, I could argue with journalists, but not with psychotic trolls who devoted their very lives to chatting in various Internet forums rather than spending their precious times on their children or their professional careers. So, keeping all of it in mind, I intentionally set my tough conditions to show that I am not equal to them in this sense (I am a respectable person, not a full-time Internet chat-troll) and unless there will be shown due respect and required interest there will be no discussion whatsoever. Hope you understand this. These people on the thread simply did not deserve my attention and nothing more than that. So my desire to quickly quit this idiotic discussion had absolutely nothing to do with 'cowardice' it had something to do with principles: such a discussion with me (unless I held a discussion with equals whom I respect and from whom I expect due respect in return) could only proceed on MY conditions, however, on that thread it was not. That was only the case.
Best wishes.
I feel like I should direct him the the thread containing the 911 expertise question, but what good would it really do? I really think he thought he was going to come in here say some stuff and we were going to fall all over his theory because of some title he claims to be or have.
and my response.....
You should really check your ego, it is getting in your way, I will have you know that there are several firemen, mechanical, structural, civil, and electrical engineers, peer reviewed NASA scientist, aviators, architects,and 1 really famous tour guide on that forum, and some of them were asking you the questions that I repeated over here, you see sir these minds require evidence, not hearsay, the fact remains, you quit when it didn't go the way you wanted it to, that is cowardice. Second, your responses are there and have been there for days, that alone tells me in itself that you have not been back to the forum. Finally, contrary to what you think you are no better than any other truther I have ever met, I find it despicable, that you put down these people, when all they did was ask questions in regard to your video, you are right they are not on your level, they are miles ahead of you. Be happy we didn't get started on your pentagon part of the theory either, you have a lot of shortcomings there as well. So I wish you well, because I bode no ill will on anyone.
You should really check your ego, it is getting in your way, I will have you know that there are several firemen, mechanical, structural, civil, and electrical engineers, peer reviewed NASA scientist, aviators, architects,and 1 really famous tour guide on that forum, and some of them were asking you the questions that I repeated over here, you see sir these minds require evidence, not hearsay, the fact remains, you quit when it didn't go the way you wanted it to, that is cowardice. Second, your responses are there and have been there for days, that alone tells me in itself that you have not been back to the forum. Finally, contrary to what you think you are no better than any other truther I have ever met, I find it despicable, that you put down these people, when all they did was ask questions in regard to your video, you are right they are not on your level, they are miles ahead of you. Be happy we didn't get started on your pentagon part of the theory either, you have a lot of shortcomings there as well. So I wish you well, because I bode no ill will on anyone.
ElMondoHummus
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Translation: "I'm going to gloss over the fact that I provided no documentation for my claims, badly botched descriptions of two well-known physical phenomenon - sonic booms and radioactive material decay - so badly that I revealed an utter lack of knowledge on both subjects, dodged direct questions, ignored evidence firmly refuting my claims, and will now front a haughty persona in order to project a facade of superiority to cover the utter hollowness of my arguement".
Couple of links for anyone sane who'll understand the utter vapidity and stupidity of his argument:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_testing
- http://www.radiochemistry.org/history/nuke_tests/nougat/index.html
Keep in mind that that was in desert sand, not bedrock like you'd find underneath Manhattan. But still... 150 kilotons 50 meters below the towers? And yet, the tub walls still stood, and some of the other WTC buildings within the tub had to be intentionally demolished?
Yeah, right.
I'd love to hear any explanation of:
- Where the "melt cavity" is, as well as why in excavating down to shore up the foundation plus prep for new construction the contractors onsite never discussed finding a rubble chimney.
- How the general destruction of Ground Zero when viewed overhead does not in the least resemble the characteristic subsidence crater left behind by such weapons.
- How an underground blast of a 150kt weapon makes the towers collapse begin closer to the top of the structure than the bottom.
- How the blast caused the towers to collapse, yet leave some columns standing, as well as nearby buildings.
The fact of the matter is, the collapse dynamics contradict any notion that the force initiating collapse began underground. They are completely consistent with collapse initiation beginning in the fire and impact zones. Recordings of both collapses show where they started and how they progressed, and recovered debris from the towers validates the initiation in the impact and fire zones. This guy's full of it.
ElMondoHummus
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Ps. Our "Russian Intelligence Officer"
seems to have found a safe haven of admirers:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1029915/pg1
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1029915/pg1
Sabrina
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*raises hand* Excuse me...
I happen to be a military officer. I'll post my DD-214 if he needs proof (with my personal info redacted, of course). My MOS is 35D, which is all-source intelligence. I am currently the assistant brigade S2 (intelligence officer) for my unit. In my civilian job I am a consultant for a nationally known company, currently on a project at one of the sixteen intelligence agencies, and have had no difficulty maintaining said career while posting on this forum.
So sadly, his criteria have been met. I am not an internet troll (and have no children to neglect anyway) so, basically, he is a coward. It's simply true. And you can tell him I said so.
I happen to be a military officer. I'll post my DD-214 if he needs proof (with my personal info redacted, of course). My MOS is 35D, which is all-source intelligence. I am currently the assistant brigade S2 (intelligence officer) for my unit. In my civilian job I am a consultant for a nationally known company, currently on a project at one of the sixteen intelligence agencies, and have had no difficulty maintaining said career while posting on this forum.
So sadly, his criteria have been met. I am not an internet troll (and have no children to neglect anyway) so, basically, he is a coward. It's simply true. And you can tell him I said so.
JoeyDonuts
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Though not as impressive as Sabrina's resume, I also have some experience in this matter.
I was an Electronic Warfare technician (1734 NEC), and a intelligence assistant onboard a U.S. Navy destroyer for six years. I can also back this up with documentation, but feel no need to do so.
My particular field applies directly to concepts of ASMD, which required me to be intimately familiar with all in-theater ASM threats, of which the SS-N-19, an integral part of his claim, is part. I know his claims vis-a-vis the capability of the Granit missile are total crap.
Though I have no means or resources to vet him, I also suspect by his postings that he is not who or what he claims to be.
Most naval nuclear officers never see, or more appropriately, work intimately with - the world of intel. Unless he's claiming that he's GRU, which I haven't seen thus far.
I was an Electronic Warfare technician (1734 NEC), and a intelligence assistant onboard a U.S. Navy destroyer for six years. I can also back this up with documentation, but feel no need to do so.
My particular field applies directly to concepts of ASMD, which required me to be intimately familiar with all in-theater ASM threats, of which the SS-N-19, an integral part of his claim, is part. I know his claims vis-a-vis the capability of the Granit missile are total crap.
Though I have no means or resources to vet him, I also suspect by his postings that he is not who or what he claims to be.
Most naval nuclear officers never see, or more appropriately, work intimately with - the world of intel. Unless he's claiming that he's GRU, which I haven't seen thus far.
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Guess he doesn't play well with others, his series is now unavailable on YouTube...(gratuitous tear wipe) I know that I am new here, but, from everything that I have read, I have a respect for you all, and just hate that kind of behavior....Let's just say I have always had a problem dealing with authority, and when he came in here and tried to lay down the "law", it burned me up, that is why I could not let it go, so thanks for bearing with me. If I overstepped some bounds I apologize. I would like to say maybe he has seen the errors in his logic....but then I would have to smack my self and say what were you thinking?
Sabrina
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I don't feel you overstepped any bounds, djlunacee; if anything, you said exactly what all of us were thinking. Thing is, you cannot dictate the terms of a debate (aside from the necessity of being civil or having it degenerate into a shouting match) so his arrogance to assume that he could hampered the discussion from the beginning. Add to that his disregard for others opinions, and you end up with a debate that dies before it even starts. So don't even stress yourself over it, and welcome to the forum!