9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Nonpareil]

The fate of Anne Frank and Simone Veil speak a different language: they entered Auschwitz and left alive. Many others likewise.

Some people did not die at Auschwitz != no one died at Auschwitz.

Yes testimonies without cross examining. Enter the court room, say your thing and leave the court room.

You mean that there were no cross-examinations at the Nuremberg trials? Really? What about Albert Speer? You can read his cross-examination here. Note this part:

MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive developed, temperatures of from 400 to 500 centigrade and destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.

Do you know about that experiment?

SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had had such a weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party would start chemical warfare first.

You'll note that he doesn't deny the "shooting and gassing and burning" that took place.

Wow, the nerve! TSR is reversing the result of the work done by Leuchter and Rudolf who showed that real traces of HCN were to be found in the only gas chambers that existed, namely the fumugation rooms.

We've been over this before. Link anyway.

EG=Einsatzgruppen I presume? TSR forgets to document his statements: links + numbers.

Here.

I think TSR is forgetting what the topic of this thread is: the 6M figure and gas chambers.

This we have also been over. The six million were not from gas chambers alone. Why do you continually misrepresent the figures?

 

[TSR]

We are justified in asking whether TSR understands English because if you read the rest of the link something totally different comes out. TSR vilely quotes out of context in the hope that nobody notices:

SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner is condemned because he lowered himself while applying Bolshevic tactics!

TSR tries to deceive us in thinking that the quote shows us that unqualified extermination of the Jews was SS policy. It does not. On the contrary!

"Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry himself. Real hatred of the Jews was the driving motivation for the accused. In the process he let himself be drawn into committing cruel actions in Alexandriya which are unworthy of a German man and an SS-officer. These excesses cannot be justified, either, as the accused would like to, as retaliation for the pain that the Jews have caused the German people. It is not the German way to apply Bolshevic methods during the necessary extermination of the worst enemy of our people. In so doing the conduct of the accused gives rise to considerable concern. The accused allowed his men to act with such vicious brutality that they conducted themselves under his command like a savage horde... "

It is clear that this quote refers to the rounding up of partisans, meaning people wanting to kill Germans. This is still a war, TSR. The crime Taubner committed was excess and cruelty. And for this conduct he is punished. Germans have considerable higher standards than Anglo's let alone the Anglo's natural ally: the largest mass-murdering bunch of history, the Soviets.

And you can bet that TSR knew it very well when he made the quote!!

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You know, maybe it *is* just me, but I do not see the word "partisans" or any mention of anyone wanting to kill Germans. I instead find very clear references to the extermination of Jewry. One also notes that 9/11 conveniently snips the first part, where it is noted: "The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss."

Not partisans, Jews.

Taubner's crime was that he was not authorized to do the killing, and went overboard in killilng them.

9/11 *might* have a point if zie could document these specific Jews as have participated in partisan activity, or have killed any Germans -- but alas sinvce zie cannot the only rational inference to be drawn is that Taubner hated Jews for being Jews, and hadn't permission to kill them since that was someone elses' job.

And BTW: "We?" The little voices in your head don't count as separate entities, nor do the Joooos hiding under your bed.
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[VonKleist]

Why should I know for sure what is going on on the twisted minds of the H-word enforcers?

Because YOU brought up the 'they say 4 million Jews were gassed' line. Like YOU were previously running the 'they say 6 million Jews were gassed' bollocks. Like YOU linked to the wikipedia article in support of YOUR 4 million gassed Jews claim.

I'm only interested to know whether you pulled the number out of your own rear orifice, made a mistake or got it from some other neo-numpty.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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You know, maybe it *is* just me, but I do not see the word "partisans" or any mention of anyone wanting to kill Germans.

It is just you. Read this carefully because I will quote this only once:

"Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose"

Are you trying to push the idea that the EG operated in the camps? OMG.

Again: the Jews were the hard kernel of communism, the most filthy system that ever existed on the face of this earth (a system that present day NWO-ers would love to reinstall, this time in the US, hence 9/11 organized by the same Jews, but I digress. It was for this reason that the Jews Roosevelt and Churchill were in bed with these criminals). The EG were after them for this reason.

 

[TSR]

It is just you. Read this carefully because I will quote this only once:

"Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose"

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Okay -- and again, it says the extermination of the Jews.

With which part of this are you having issues?
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Are you trying to push the idea that the EG operated in the camps? OMG.

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Where have I suggested any such thing?
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Again: the Jews were the hard kernel of communism, the most filthy system that ever existed on the face of this earth. The EG were after them for this reason.

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Again: You are incorrect.

Even if certain Jews were among those in the "hard kernel," this is hardly a condemnation of Jews qua Jews.

Again, let's see the part 9/11 is so desperate to distract from:

The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss.

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[9/11-investigator]

Okay

TSR has no choice but to agree with the diagnose that we are talking about the EG context.

 

[TSR]

TSR has no choice but to agree with the diagnose that we are talking about the EG context.

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Mainly because TSR has never tried to suggest other than this, so it's readily apparent that 9/11 is engaging in the ever-popular snip and run to avoid addressing the substantive portions of the post zie is responding to:

"The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss."

Not partisans.

Jews.

Now shall we go back to the discussion of the village of Kaisiadorys, where you have claimed that even the children were active partisans? Don't forget your own standards: links + numbers, detailing what those toddlers were doing to kill Germans.

Or perhaps you'd care to try defending Leuchter some more, or explain why, despite the questions recorded in the transcripts, you lied that none of the perpetrators of the Holocaust were ever cross examined?
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[9/11-investigator]

or explain why, despite the questions recorded in the transcripts, you lied that none of the perpetrators of the Holocaust were ever cross examined?

Original IMT documents:

http://www.cwporter.com/pg378.htm
http://www.cwporter.com/pg15.htm
http://www.cwporter.com/pg2.htm

All the result of carefull cross examination!

You can't make this stuff up. Now really...

 

[9/11-investigator]

Now shall we go back to the discussion of the village of Kaisiadorys

http://www.iajgs.org/cemetery/lithuania/kaisadorys.html

Jewish source.

"They were executed by an auxiliary police squad from Kaunas and German soldiers, the notorious J. Hamann's "Flying Squad""

Any idea why these locals had a motive to kill these Jews? Need help on this one?
And don't start with this standard non-explanation 'anti-cement-headism'.

Furthermore, was there ever a mass grave found?

According to Sannings "The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry" 80% of the Lithuanian Jews disappeared into the neighbouring USSR when the Germans invaded.

 

[TSR]

Original IMT documents:

http://www.cwporter.com/pg378.htm
http://www.cwporter.com/pg15.htm
http://www.cwporter.com/pg2.htm

All the result of carefull cross examination!

You can't make this stuff up. Now really...

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Ummm.


You *do* know the difference between testimony, which is crossed, and reproductions with a *lot* of editorializing of affidavits, which are generally not, or copies of indictments, which again are not crossed, or don't you?

No, apparently you do not.

So let's go back to *actual* IMT documents, presented exactly as they occurred.

You know -- the ones you ran from before?

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/hoesstest.html

Now, have you a problem with the cross examination of Hoess, as detailed above?


Or shall we get back to the Jäger report you whined about, and are now running from:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/jaeger-report/htm/img003.htm

Don't like the village of Kaisiadorys? Okay how about, to choose one at random,

August 23, 41 Panevezys 1312 Jews, 4602 Jewesses, 1609 Jewish children

Care to justify the killing in cold blood of 1600 children?

Or how about this one:

August 18 to 22, 41 Dist. Rasainiai 466 Jews, 440 Jewesses, 1020 Jewish children

As many children as adults killed there, over a matter of days.

All of them partisans?

Where are your links showing how these pre-teens were killing Germans?



Or, of course, we could go back to Leuchter and the fact that he didn't even understand that it takes more HCN to kill lice than to kill humans, by orders of magnitude?


Or you could just keep mindlessly parroting your heroes, accepting any and everything they say as long as it feeds your hate. That's worked so well for you up to now....
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[9/11-investigator]

Don't like the village of Kaisiadorys? Okay how about, to choose one at random

Not so fast, it was you who brought up the subject of this village I had never heard of before.

Now try to concentrate for a minute and answer my question: why did the locals wanted to kill the Jews because according to this Jewish source it was the locals in the first place who allegedly carried out the killings (aided by Germans according to the Jews)?

Next question: were is the mass grave?

And to make matters worse for you, here is a source ideologically near to you: the Wiesenthal Center (WC for short): http://www.hagalil.com/archiv/99/08/zuroff.htm

[drumroll] "In Litauen beispielsweise wurden im Zweiten Weltkrieg 96 Prozent der 220.000 Juden von Litauern umgebracht"

I don't think I need to translate that statement for you, right? Now that's a statement!! The Germans were hardly involved! How about that!

Now let me help my (American?) friend TSR her a little bit since our trans-atlantic cousins always consistenly score low in the comparative international Pisa tests...

1) when did the shootings take place?
2) what happened before these shootings?

I am sure you can solve this riddle with a little bit of googling.
You may use a calculator for this exercise and 15 minutes time.

Good luck.

 

[TSR]

http://www.iajgs.org/cemetery/lithuania/kaisadorys.html

Jewish source.

"They were executed by an auxiliary police squad from Kaunas and German soldiers, the notorious J. Hamann's "Flying Squad""

Any idea why these locals had a motive to kill these Jews? Need help on this one?

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Which locals? The ones that the Germans had to recruit from the next town over and import so the locals weren't killing their neighbors? Do yourself a favour and learn a little bit about the area in question so you don't keep making these kinds of stupid mistakes.
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And don't start with this standard non-explanation 'anti-cement-headism'.

Furthermore, was there ever a mass grave found?

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So, it is your thesis that Jäger was lying when he made the report, and that his men didn't do the killing because the "locals" did it and they weren't killed anyway even though they deserved it?

Is that *really* what you're going to go with?

Got any, you know, *proof* of any of this?
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According to Sannings "The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry" 80% of the Lithuanian Jews disappeared into the neighbouring USSR when the Germans invaded.

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How did that go again? Links + numbers?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Which locals?

Lithuanians.

Read post #3671 carefully; I was still working on it when you came with your new one.

 

[TSR]

[drumroll] "In Litauen beispielsweise wurden im Zweiten Weltkrieg 96 Prozent der 220.000 Juden von Litauern umgebracht"

I don't think I need to translate that statement for you, right? Now that's a statement!! The Germans were hardly involved! How about that!

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And yet, Jäger very specifically took credit for this particular mass murder.

Were all of those children partisans? You keep running from that question...
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[TSR]

Lithuanians.

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So everyone in the same country is a "local" to everyone else in that country?

What a very ... interesting way to redefine that word, to try and justify your hate.
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[9/11-investigator]

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So everyone in the same country is a "local" to everyone else in that country?

What a very ... interesting way to redefine that word, to try and justify your hate.
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I am not sure where you are getting at... there are 3 parties involved here: Jews, Germans and Lithuanians, 'locals' since it is their country.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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And yet, Jäger very specifically took credit for this particular mass murder.

Were all of those children partisans? You keep running from that question...

In Wuerzburg ca. 45 little girls called Anne Frank were burned alive by Anglo bombing raids. Partisans I presume?

Anglo hypocrisy is breath-taking. That's why you are one of the more hated and despised countries on this planet (in stiff competition with Israel). Nobody likes you.

Are you American TSR? Israeli? Canadian?

 

[VonKleist]

In Wuerzburg ca. 45 little girls called Anne Frank were burned alive by Anglo bombing raids. Partisans I presume?

What on Earth are you up to now, you numpty? YOU were the one who equated civilians with partisans.

 

[TSR]

In Wuerzburg ca. 45 little girls called Anne Frank were burned alive by Anglo bombing raids. Partisans I presume?

Anglo hypocrisy is breath-taking. That's why you are one of the more hated and despised countries on this planet (in stiff competition with Israel). Nobody likes you.0

Are you American TSR? Israeli? Canadian?

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And how many children were killed in *German* bombing raids?

How many of those little girls were rounded up by the "Anglos" and specifically transferred to the targets of those raids for the purpose of being killed?


You don't see a difference there?
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[9/11-investigator]

But to some it all up: the WC says that 96% of the killings in Lithuania was performed by locals. Sanning says that 80% of the Jews escaped to their heaven on earth: USSR.

The questions remains: were there any Jews left for the Einsatzgruppen to kill?

Apparently not much!!