Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Fulcanelli said:
It IS misleading. For many months now, the FOA has been giving the impression that the knife was selected from a draw full of murderous deadly knives and therefore the fact that the ILE just happened to select a knife at random and hit the jack pot is serious grounds for suspicion of shenanigans. So when we finally see the actual contents of the other items in the draw, what do we see? Some blunt table knives and a bread knife!
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I just wonder which one is the "control knife". Remember that trope? Would they pick one of the butter knives? A spoon? Maybe a saucepan?

I am really looking forward to the uploaded 2GB! I'll bet there are a lot of FOA memes that can easily be laid to rest.
 
Alt+F4 said:
It seems more than likely that they were. How many households have no steak knives at all?
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I was a young bachelor once and I can verify that it is not unusual to have mismatched or incomplete cutlery sets. It is uncommon for them all to be in the right trays, in fact.
 
stilicho said:
I was a young bachelor once and I can verify that it is not unusual to have mismatched or incomplete cutlery sets. It is uncommon for them all to be in the right trays, in fact.
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To be fair, I was once a young bachelor and I had matched cutlery and kept them in the right trays - my kitchen knives have always been kept in a knife-block.
 
shuttlt said:
It's a pity she doesn't explain where she gets that information from. It could be that other knives were taken from the drawer before Charlie's film was taken. If so, we don't know about it.... again Dr Waterbury's data may say.
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Is there some reason you don't believe the information came directly from the trial testimony?

The reports that we've seen say that only one knife was taken from Raffaele's kitchen and that a second flick knife was taken from the bedroom (in addition to the knife Raffaele was carrying.

Some contend that Raffaele's flick knife was responsible for the smaller wounds in Meredith's neck and they managed to remove every trace of blood and DNA evidence on and inside the flick knife. Yet there was still a trace of DNA on the flat surface of this big kitchen knife after it had been CLEANED WITH BLEACH and found "clean and shiny" in the kitchen drawer.

Why would Amanda be carrying this knife through the streets of Perugia? The girls had a drawer full of knives back at the cottage. Amanda had her own set that she brought with her that were still in the original packaging unopened in her room. Raffaele has a spare flick knife. Why would Amanda be carrying Raffaele's only cooking knife as some have said for protection when she has access to so many others.

What purpose does taking the knife to the cottage serve?
 
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Dan O. said:
Yet there was still a trace of DNA on the flat surface of this big kitchen knife after it had been CLEANED WITH BLEACH and found "clean and shiny" in the kitchen drawer.
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Why would someone clean a kitchen knife with bleach? Oh yeah, in an attempt to destroy evidence on it.
 
Dan O. said:
Why would Amanda be carrying this knife through the streets of Perugia? The girls had a drawer full of knives back at the cottage. Amanda had her own set that she brought with her that were still in the original packaging unopened in her room. Raffaele has a spare flick knife. Why would Amanda be carrying Raffaele's only cooking knife as some have said for protection when she has access to so many others.

What purpose does taking the knife to the cottage serve?
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That's an important question but the answer doesn't change the facts that it was transported from Sollecito's flat to the cottage and that it had Meredith's DNA on the blade. If you are soliciting speculation, I'd suggest that Amanda transported the knife because she imagined herself to be 'bad-ass' like her knife-toting boyfriend. I would also speculate that it wasn't the first time she'd carried a knife with her after meeting Sollecito.
 
Alt+F4 said:
It seems more than likely that they were. How many households have no steak knives at all?
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What is a steak knife, in this context? To me it means a knife which is used as specialised cutlery for eating steak and I have used them in restaurants. I do not have them and I don't think I know anyone who does: they don't come in sets of cutlery here. You have to buy them separately. I think the kind of people who have them probably have fish knives too.
 
Fiona said:
What is a steak knife, in this context? To me it means a knife which is used as specialised cutlery for eating steak and I have used them in restaurants. I do not have them and I don't think I know anyone who does: they don't come in sets of cutlery here. You have to buy them separately. I think the kind of people who have them probably have fish knives too.
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Maybe that's a cultural difference.

Here in the US, steak knives are fairly common. Especially in homes down in, say, Texas.
 
Dan_O said:
Some contend that Raffaele's flick knife was responsible for the smaller wounds in Meredith's neck and they managed to remove every trace of blood and DNA evidence on and inside the flick knife. Yet there was still a trace of DNA on the flat surface of this big kitchen knife after it had been CLEANED WITH BLEACH and found "clean and shiny" in the kitchen drawer.
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You don't think they would have both been CLEANED WITH BLEACH then?

Sorry...couldn't resist.
 
By the way...bombshell, Raffaele's 4 cm pocket knife, his other pocket knife, was never recovered...it disappeared. It's dimensions are only known via witness testimony, those who had seen it before it went missing.
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Maybe that's a cultural difference.

Here in the US, steak knives are fairly common. Especially in homes down in, say, Texas.
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Ducky's going to be upset that we're away from the women's underwear and on to the War of the Cutlery Sets.

My experience is that you purchase your cutlery sets sans steak knives and buy sets of steak knives separately.

I have never personally washed any of my cutlery using bleach and I wouldn't recommend using corrosive cleaning products on any metallic objects used for food preparation.
 
stilicho said:
Ducky's going to be upset that we're away from the women's underwear and on to the War of the Cutlery Sets.

My experience is that you purchase your cutlery sets sans steak knives and buy sets of steak knives separately.

I have never personally washed any of my cutlery using bleach and I wouldn't recommend using corrosive cleaning products on any metallic objects used for food preparation.
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Well, considering my knives are "relatively" expensive, I've never washed them with bleach either (relatively = $100 chef's knife vs $3K Japanese sushi knife :D).

ETA: Of course, I'd never have washed cheaper knives with bleach either.
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Maybe that's a cultural difference.

Here in the US, steak knives are fairly common. Especially in homes down in, say, Texas.
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I don't know how common they really are in homes. Anecdotally, I've never owned them in 40 years of cooking. Same for the majority of my friends.

OTOH, I've got a # of different kitchen knives.
 
lector said:
I don't know how common they really are in homes. Anecdotally, I've never owned them in 40 years of cooking. Same for the majority of my friends.

OTOH, I've got a # of different kitchen knives.
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I think the only time I've lived anywhere without them was the 3 years I lived in Texas. And even then, all my friends owned them and/or carried a pocketknife... :D

But, then, BBQ is a big pastime for my friends and me. So, we tend to have knives around for cutting thick steaks/ribs.
 
stilicho said:
...It's anecdotal but I mentioned once on the PMF that there was something startling...
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Per-woo-gia Information Follies, I presume. Which is exactly where this kind of claptrap belongs. I believe somethere there has applied to write their doctoral thesis on how doing stretching exercises in public is directly correlated with being being a homocidal rapist.

But, as it turns out, you didn't even need the cartwheels and eating pizza did you? You could tell she was guilty just by looking at her. Good for you.
 
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