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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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WE DID IT!!!!!!
12,000 posts! Congratulations, one and all.

Akhenaten, one question...

Does that mean that Mona Lisa is evidence why the New Testament authors told the truth?
 
I imagine that DOC will be along at some stage to declare that the fact that this thread contains over 12000 posts means that the info that he's bringing in here is really important and the attack the messenger mode will soon be heating up or something.

I wonder if anyone in history has ever missed the point quite so comprehensively.
 
kmortis said:
WE DID IT!!!!!!
12,000 posts! Congratulations, one and all.

Akhenaten, one question...

Does that mean that Mona Lisa is evidence why the New Testament authors told the truth?
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Of course!


The world famous historian, Dan Brown says in the Da Vinci Code (p. 231) :


Leonardo Da Vinci made the following comments about the New Testament:

1. “Many have made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the stupid multitude”; and

2. “Blinding ignorance does misled us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes”

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Akhenaten said:
I imagine that DOC will be along at some stage to declare that the fact that this thread contains over 12000 posts means that the info that he's bringing in here is really important and the attack the messenger mode will soon be heating up or something.

I wonder if anyone in history has ever missed the point quite so comprehensively.
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Other than Neville Chamberlin, I think not.
 
Akhenaten said:
I have a pic, yes, and although it's not for me to judge its niftyness, it does incorporate a quotatiion from the NT which may, in fact, contain a skerrick of truth.

The bad news is that the quote is from Revelation, and given the general trippiness of that particular book I guess the likelihood of its veracity is somewhat questionable.

Still, it's as close as anything else we've had so far.
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If only 12,000 was the number of the beast rather than 666, then we'd know for sure why we know that the New Testament writers told the truth...
 
Nice video, reminds me of several posters who would claim that enough meaningless bits posts adds up to a masterpiece evidence.:D

(I am back from vacation, nice of DOC to postpone the big revelation of evidence until my return)
 
Akhenaten said:
Of course!


The world famous historian, Dan Brown says in the Da Vinci Code (p. 231) :


Leonardo Da Vinci made the following comments about the New Testament:
1. “Many have made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the stupid multitude”; and

2. “Blinding ignorance does misled us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes”

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Well, if the World Famous Historian (and All Around Good Guy), Dan Brown said it, it must be true. Praise Jesus!
 
To that end, I thought I'd see what post 666 was. Looks like it was a post o'information from Ichneumonwasp.

I wonder whatever happend to our paracitically named friend?

Ichneumonwasp said:
Um, what? You don't know that Jews never denied the story of Jesus being buried by Joseph. No one knows that for sure. The absence of a written source now does not mean that the charge was not made, or even written down in the past.

Issue 1 -- How would this information survive to this time? Keep in mind that scribes had to continue to copy any ancient material for it to make it to the modern world. Why would a Christian scribe copy Jewish info calling into question stories about Jesus? Jewish scribes might, but that would be a dangerous thing for them to do during the Middle Ages.

Issue 2 -- Do you really think that the Jewish enemies of Christianity would really care that much? I mean, from their perspective we're talking about a crucified criminal here. Why would anyone go to the trouble of countering a story that they thought inconsequential? Does anyone really care what the followers of David Koresh say about him?

Issue 3 -- How would these Jewish enemies of Christianity find out? Christianity was a splinter Jewish sect. They already thought the early Jesus movement was crazy, so it isn't as though they hung out together in coffee shops discussing theology and Jesus stories. The evidence we have of the early movement is that the gospels were written in specific communities and were not widely shared until sometime in the middle of the second century. Justin never quotes anything from the gospel of John and never mentions Paul's letters, suggesting that he didn't know them (and this was about 150). I don't see how they would know what the early authors were even up to in order to counter it.

Issue 4 -- Did it ever dawn on anyone that most people wouldn't have the slightest idea what happened to Jesus' body? They may not feel comfortable denying a burial because they simply did not know for sure. Keep in mind, after the destruction of the Temple, Jews were a little preoccupied to concern themselves with the details of that splinter group of wackos, as they would have seen the early Christians.

You seem to look at this from the perspective of someone in the 21st century who sees Jesus as the Ruler of the Universe. That is not how 1st century Jews would have seen the situation.


ETA:

Actually there is a Jewish tradition of Jesus being re-buried in the sand in a garden (so that his followers could not steal the body) and not in a tomb by anyone named Joseph. The only mention of his burial place (by his followers) was that he was buried outside of the city.

ETAETA:

I've been looking through the gospel accounts, and perhaps you can square away problems I see with Joseph of Arimathea? Who was this guy exactly? I see that he was a member of the council and the council without exception condemned Jesus in Mark. Yet, in Matthew he is a disciple of Jesus. In John he is a secret disciple of Jesus and in Luke he specifically does not agree with the council in their condemnation of Jesus. Which was it?

And where is this Arimathea?
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zooterkin said:
I agree there doesn't seem to be any independent evidence either way. It does seem more likely to me that there was some kernel of truth to which the myths attached themselves, that there was an itinerant preacher who may have said some of the things attributed to the biblical Jesus, rather than that the whole thing was created from nothing (whether intentionally or through some sequence of misunderstandings, or whatever). However, I don't personally rule the latter option out.
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Hmm, seems like some of you are already discussing this over here.
 
I was just scanning the beginning of this thread, and was surprised how late I started posting in it (around post 550); feels like I've been here forever. Also, that Darat was once active in it, including this mod box:

Darat said:
Er DOC and others look at the thread title - it gives you a clue as to what this thread is meant to be discussing.

Although it would seem that the 2nd law of thermodynamics applies to the DOC's threads so they all end up being a chaotic mishmash of all previous threads consider this Mod Box an injection of energy that can locally reverse the direction of entropy!
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
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Ye cannae change the laws of physics...
 
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