9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

Meanwhile back in Holland...

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6454810/__Unieke_kamp-brieven_gebundeld__.html

Unieke kampbrieven gebundeld in boek
AMSTERDAM - Uit de tentoonstelling 'Post uit de vergetelheid', die vorige jaar in herinneringscentrum Westerbork te zien was, is een boek voortgekomen. De gelijknamige bundel, met daarin een grote collectie authentieke poststukken uit oorlogsgetto's en nazikampen, wordt op 15 april in het Joods Historisch Museum gepresenteerd.

De unieke collectie is samengesteld door Bennie Vlaskamp, filatelist en bestuurslid van de Stichting Sobibor. Aan de hand van brieven, kaarten en postzegels die hij in de loop der jaren heeft verzameld heeft de geschiedenis van de Duitse concentratie- en vernietigingskampen gereconstrueerd. In totaal zijn er vanuit de nazi-kampen miljoenen brieven verstuurd. Maar hiervan zijn er maar zeer weinig bewaard gebleven.

The Jewish Historic Museum in Amsterdam has just published a book with letters send from getto's and exterminationcamps. In total millions of letters were send from the Nazi-camps.

It would be interesting to see if these millions of letters maybe contain material that can be used by my opponents here, since they desperately need it. don't hold your breath though.

One wonders if these German exterminators had any time left for their core business after having to censor millions of letters and deliver them as well.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So ...

"Le volumineux rapport d'expertise médico-légale de C. Simonin, R. Piedelievre et J. Fourcade décrit méticuleusement l'autopsie de 17 sujets entiers , et de 166 segments de corps appartenant à 64 personnes au moins ; toutes présentant les signes d'une mort par inhalation d'acide cyanhydrique."

You have a very nasty habbit of posting quotes without giving the source.

If you give me both the links of this french quote and the extermination quote of the good Canadian than maybe, just maybe I am going to tell you what the IHR and Codoh think about Natzweiler and Taffel.

Just maybe.

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

Meanwhile back in Holland...

Unieke kampbrieven gebundeld in boek
AMSTERDAM - Uit de tentoonstelling 'Post uit de vergetelheid', die vorige jaar in herinneringscentrum Westerbork te zien was, is een boek voortgekomen. De gelijknamige bundel, met daarin een grote collectie authentieke poststukken uit oorlogsgetto's en nazikampen, wordt op 15 april in het Joods Historisch Museum gepresenteerd.

De unieke collectie is samengesteld door Bennie Vlaskamp, filatelist en bestuurslid van de Stichting Sobibor. Aan de hand van brieven, kaarten en postzegels die hij in de loop der jaren heeft verzameld heeft de geschiedenis van de Duitse concentratie- en vernietigingskampen gereconstrueerd. In totaal zijn er vanuit de nazi-kampen miljoenen brieven verstuurd. Maar hiervan zijn er maar zeer weinig bewaard gebleven.

The Jewish Historic Museum in Amsterdam has just published a book with letters send from getto's and exterminationcamps. In total millions of letters were send from the Nazi-camps.

It would be interesting to see if these millions of letters maybe contain material that can be used by my opponents here, since they desperately need it. don't hold your breath though.

One wonders if these German exterminators had any time left for their core business after having to censor millions of letters and deliver them as well.

What I wondered was - How many of these letter/postcard writers made it back to Holland?

The Stichting Sobibor website has a few samples of the correspondence online. They mention a card written by a Jewish man, Jules Polak. They also mention that Mr. Polak didn't survive Sobibor.

Why doesn't some revisionist trace the whereabout of someone like Mr. Polak and show that Mr. Polak was still alive after May 8, 1945? That would impress the hell out of me.

Until one of you Holocaust deniers actually does that, we are left with the formulation Jules Schelvis used to to describe the July 13, 1943 transport that took Jules Polak to Sobibor.

"Deze transportlijst is alfabetisch. Bij gehuwde vrouwen werd alleen de meisjes naam vermeld. Bij aankomst werden enige tientallen personen uitgezocht voor werk in Sobibor en in het district Lublin. Van acht personen werden vanuit Sobibor levenstekens ontvangen. Vanuit Dorohucza en uit Silezie een. Niemand van het transport heeft de oorlog overleefd."

For all intents and purposes that is the official story.

So what have the writers of the PDF you posted actually added to what we already knew about these Westerbork-Sobibor transports?

In Memoriam:
Jules Carel Polak, Amsterdam April 1, 1920 - (Sobibor, July 16, 1943)

Do you have an alternative for (Place and date)?

 

[9/11-investigator]

What I wondered was - How many of these letter/postcard writers made it back to Holland?

The Stichting Sobibor website has a few samples of the correspondence online. They mention a card written by a Jewish man, Jules Polak. They also mention that Mr. Polak didn't survive Sobibor.

Why doesn't some revisionist trace the whereabout of someone like Mr. Polak and show that Mr. Polak was still alive after May 8, 1945? That would impress the hell out of me.

Until one of you Holocaust deniers actually does that, we are left with the formulation Jules Schelvis used to to describe the July 13, 1943 transport that took Jules Polak to Sobibor.

"Deze transportlijst is alfabetisch. Bij gehuwde vrouwen werd alleen de meisjes naam vermeld. Bij aankomst werden enige tientallen personen uitgezocht voor werk in Sobibor en in het district Lublin. Van acht personen werden vanuit Sobibor levenstekens ontvangen. Vanuit Dorohucza en uit Silezie een. Niemand van het transport heeft de oorlog overleefd."

For all intents and purposes that is the official story.

So what have the writers of the PDF you posted actually added to what we already knew about these Westerbork-Sobibor transports?

In Memoriam:
Jules Carel Polak, Amsterdam April 1, 1920 - (Sobibor, July 16, 1943)

Do you have an alternative for (Place and date)?

From the same pdf it becomes clear that according to revisionists at least 10,000 people did not survive Sobibor (but nowhere near the 250,000 according to the cultural marxists). Mr Polak could be one of them. The more likely alternative would be that he ended up in Israel, USA, Canada, USSR, Argentina or somewhere else (*).

And you probably did not understand the Dutch quote entirely because then you would have noticed that from the transport 'ten's of people were selected for work' and that is totally at odds with the general accepted notion that Sobibor was a pure extermination camp, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibor_extermination_camp

(*) - I repeat what I have said earlier: once people lose track of each other it is very difficult to find them back again. I worked as a business consultant for the Red Cross; I learned from employees there that they have a program for tracing refugees all over the world with sophisticated software. If you lost track of a relative you can go to an ICRC employee who interviews you with his laptop and your records are stored on a server in Geneva being subjected to matching algorithms. Despite these facilities only a minute fraction (like 1% or so) will ever find the sought persons back. That is now, in the internet age. How much worse were the chances of finding someone back in 1945! Mr Polak could have returned to Amsterdam after the war but he would be standing in front of his old home that is now occupied with new tenants. Mr. Polak does not know what to do, he cannot leave a note of where he will be going because he does not know. He does not have a job anymore. He does not want to stay in Amsterdam, too many bad memories. And there is hardly anything left from the prewar Jewish community. He has an opportunity to go to the US, the new haven for the Jews, he has a friend there. Mr Polak goes. Nobody ever heard from him again. The last they heard of him was a letter from Sobibor.

He must have been gassed there.

Jules Carel Polak, Amsterdam April 1, 1920 - (Milwaukee, July 16, 1993)

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

And you probably did not understand the Dutch quote entirely because then you would have noticed that from the transport 'ten's of people were selected for work' and that is totally at odds with the general accepted notion that Sobibor was a pure extermination camp,

No, I understood that quite well. That was in fact precisely why I quoted it. The record of Sobibor always included those selections of some workers. As I said. That is the accepted story of the camp.

In the 1946 booklet "Sobibor" published by: "Het Afwikkelingsbureau Concentratiekampen" and the 1947 "Tweede verbeterde en aangevulde uitgave (By then Informatiebureau van Het Neederlandsche Roode Kruis) summarizing what had been learned about the camp up to that point - the selections are already mentioned. They don't contradict that people arriving at the same time were gassed, shot, hanged etc. That was always the official story.

That's one of the reasons why that PDF adds nothing to the real knowledge of that Camp.

That's why the thread title was chosen. Your version of history consists of a straw men.

18 people demonstrably deported from Westerbork to Sobibor are known to have survived beyond May 8, 1945.
The others are considered victims of the Holocaust. Mr. Polak was one of the victims.

 

[9/11-investigator]

But there were honest Americans too who spoke the truth about how the 'holocaust' came into life:

Like American judge, van Roden:

"Statements admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses"


Judge van Roden's allegation of torture to gain "confessions" is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred.
- Congressional Record, appendix. v. 95,sec.12, 3/10/49

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5595

That's what basically happened between 1940-1945: Europe destroyed by Russian and American savages after Zionism, Britain and America did the preparatory work 20 years before in Versailles (see Freedman).

During the run up to the Iraq safari in 2003 Schroeder, Chiraq/Villepin and Putin said no to Israel/America/Britain, in a move that can be seen as the initiation of a future EU-Russian alliance (Boreas/Euro-Siberia). Europe has a comfortable position as a Trojan horse within the Atlantic alliance. We pretend to be friends of ZOG-USA but in the mean time we are building pipelines to Russia. Nabucco, the American preferred variant via Turkey is dead. The EU silently is keeping American friend Turkey outside the EU. According to BBC polls Germany is now the most respected country in the world, USA/Israel the most hated. The whole world is now busy eliminating the dollar as reserve currency. No American under 50 will ever get a pension, America, the last european colony that totally run amok against it's own mother, is going to default. Here video's of total proof that WTC was blown to pieces.

ZOG-USA is finished. Now it is a countdown to the uprising of Teapartiers, army veterans, America Firsters like Ron Paul-, Jesse Ventura- and Jim Traficant-types. You don't want to be on the wrong side! Expect military operations of combined Russian, European and Euro-American troops against Dimona in Israel after the truth about 9/11 comes out.

 

[VonKleist]

ZOG-USA is finished. Now it is a countdown to the uprising of Teapartiers, army veterans, America Firsters like Ron Paul-, Jesse Ventura- and Jim Traficant-types. You don't want to be on the wrong side! Expect military operations of combined Russian, European and Euro-American troops against Dimona in Israel.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Your posts are getting more content free by the day, Gareth.
Running out of things to say?

So you want to be the leader of the West...

 

[VonKleist]

Your posts are getting more content free by the day, Gareth.
Running out of things to say?

So you want to be the leader of the West...

I'm inspired by you.

Leader of the West? Nah, I'll leave that to you.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Just found an excellent collection of photo's:

Eisenhower photographs or how the Americans put in scene the H-word:
http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower_p.html

Pictures from the Switch. At the bottom you can see the hospital next to the 'gas chamber' (mortuary really):
http://www.whale.to/b/auschwitz_p.html

In the 3rd picture you can see the hole through which the evil Germans threw the zyklon-B pellets to gas the inmates. The holes were made courtesy by the American palls the Russians who were so kind to make these holes so the Germans did not have to do it. After the war, that is. And please skip the 2nd picture; must be anti-semitic propaganda. Everybody knows how evil the Germans were. After all the Americans and Bolshies told us so themselves.

Pictures from Dachau and the futile attempt by the Americans to frame the Germans that the existing gaschambers were used for human extermination:
http://www.whale.to/b/dachau_p.html

Other very explicit pictures from Belsen and other concentration camps. Gruesome pictures but not a hint at deliberate extermination.

 

[TSR]

But there were honest Americans too who spoke the truth about how the 'holocaust' came into life:

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From your link:
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Former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss was tortured by British officials into signing a false and self-incriminating "confession" that has been widely cited as a key document of Holocaust extermination.

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No, the only claim Hoess ever made to mistreatment was on the question of his actual identity. Nor has that identification ever been cited as anything other than, well, proof of his identity.

So why should we take an article which starts off with such a blatant falsehood seriously?

And he talks about this in his memoir, written while in the custody of the Poles, and which is by far the most important evidence produced by Hoess, your lies to the contrary notwithstanding. Or can you cite anyone other than deniers trying to demonstrate anything with the proof of his identity?

Had he been tortured for his *testimony* (which was initially as a witness not a defendant, and during which he was extensively cross examined, and which agrees in most details with his memoir) why would he have been allowed to discuss that very torture?
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Judge van Roden's allegation of torture to gain "confessions" is

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... was supported by nothing more than the completely unsupported claims of its 'victims' who were not crossed, so by your own 'principles' all of their testimony must be disregarded.

Got anything else?

Do you even know how many defendants were involved, and which specific trials were involved?
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[TSR]

In the 3rd picture you can see the hole through which the evil Germans threw the zyklon-B pellets to gas the inmates. The holes were made ...

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But, 9/11: your heroes claim there were no holes.

If they are wrong about that, what else are they lying about?
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[9/11-investigator]

For my own future reference... intrigued by this review:

http://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognot...art-2-the-gas-chambers-of-samuel-crowell.html

... ik want to make a note of this source:

Samuel Crowell, 'The gas chamber of Sherlock Holmes'

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/SC/sh.html

 

[Moss]

The longer I read this topic the more I get the impression we have a traveling salesman of the holocaust denial industry here. Quite like a Dauerwerbesendung or informercial.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The longer I read this topic the more I get the impression we have a traveling salesman of the holocaust denial industry here. Quite like a Dauerwerbesendung or informercial.

From the 'denier' perspective the money is lousy to put it mildly and the social status is comparable to someone who in the face of the inquisition maintains that Jeezus was simply a mortal and nothing else.

Goodluck with your new religion and enjoy it while it lasts. It will not survive the internet and it's accompanying total transparancy.

 

[TSR]

It will not survive the internet and it's accompanying total transparancy.

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The same thing deniers have been claiming for decades. And yet, when was the last time any denier published any original research or field work which wasn't quickly shown to be based on intellectually bankruptcy?

Trick question: no denier *ever* has.

Which is why they have to rely on proven forgery, quote mining, and outright falsehood (Krege report, anyone?)

And this is also why, when confronted with zir regurgitated lies, 9/11 most often ignores the post and tries to change the subject.

And we hadn't even gotten into the fact that Roden later completely reversed himself on the question of torture -- just the fact that 911's double standard isn't something even zie can't pretend to justify
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[Saggy]

But there were honest Americans too who spoke the truth about how the 'holocaust' came into life:

Like American judge, van Roden:

"Statements admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses"


Judge van Roden's allegation of torture to gain "confessions" is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred.
- Congressional Record, appendix. v. 95,sec.12, 3/10/49

Van Roden and Simpson were part of a US Army commission investigating allegations of torture at the DMT trials. At Nuremberg there was the initial International Military Tribunal (IMT), followed by 12 trials conducted by the US alone, referred to as the Nuremberg Military Tribunal (NMT), and a separate set of trial called the Dachau Military Tribunal (DMT) trials. Camp guards captured by the US/Brits were tried at the DMT along with isolated case of crimes against downed flyers and the like.

It's important to put this in context. During the war Roosevelt's Jewish Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, convinced Roosevelt to create a War Refugee Board (WRB), and this board published pure holohoax phantasmagoria generated by the World Jewish Congress in US government publications. Through the WRB the Zionists gained control over US policy with respect to post war Europe.

The major Nazi bigwigs were tried at the IMT. Only one, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, was charged with having any direct connection to the killing of Jews and he denied it explicity -

Brookhart: Witness after witness, by testimony and affidavit, has said that the gas chamber killings were done on general or specific orders of Kaltenbrunner.

Kaltenbrunner: Show me one of those men or any of those orders. It is utterly impossible.

Brookhart: Practically all of the orders came through Kaltenbrunner.

Kaltenbrunner: Entirely impossible.

Kaltenbrunner's 'defense' team called Hoess as a defense witness. Hoess's affidavit, originally written in English, was translated to German for the trial. It was entered into evidence and he was perfunctorily cross examined by the prosecution. This macabre farce is the foundation of the holocaust hoax.

The prosecution also included extensive witness testimony and affidavits consisting of nothing but holocaust phantasmagoria. It was not challenged because it did not relate to any defendant. Thus pure garbage became judicial fact that could not be challenged in subsequent trials, including the DMT....this was explicit ...

"The determination of the International Military Tribunal in the judgments [...] that invasions, aggressive acts, aggressive wars, crimes, atrocities or inhumane acts were planned or occurred, shall be binding on the tribunals established hereunder and shall not be questioned except insofar as the participation therein or knowledge thereof by any particular person may be concerned. Statements of the International Military Tribunal in the judgment [...] constitute proof of the facts stated, in the absence of substantial new evidence to the contrary."


The DMT trails were conducted by the War Crimes Branch(WCB) of the US government which was headed by David 'Mickey' Marcus in Washington DC. After the war Marcus became the first general in Israel's army. The chief of Dachau branch of the WCB was A. H. Rosenfeld. Thus Zionists were in total control of the prosecution of the DMT trials.

Butz discusses the trials in some detail. He call them the most shameful episode in US history. There is also a good short article by Weber at ...
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html

I'm reading a book by Joesph Halow, who was a court reporter at the trials. He was 19-20 at the time of the trials, and completely green, and he had some misgivings at the time but made nothing of it. After he retired, and the court records were released, he revisited the trials and the region and wrote a book 'Innocent at Dachau'. It's an excellent first hand account. There is only one word for the DMT trials, grotesque.

 

[TSR]

Roden and Simpson were part of a US Army commission investigating allegations of torture at the DMT trials. At Nuremberg there was the initial International Military Tribunal, followed by 12 trials referred to as the Nuremberg Military Tribunal, and a separate set of trial called the Dachau Military Tribunal trials. Camp guards captured by the US/Brits were tried at the DMT along with isolated case of crimes against downed flyers and the like.

It's important to put this in context.

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And the context is, that some defndants claimed torture in order to escape the gallows. And that Roden (by his own admission) took their stories at face value, even tho (for example) none of those who claimed to have their testicles crushed actually had any such injury.

Roden later completely repudiated the claims of torture.

Now that you're back, Saggy, can wer expect you to continue to run away like the brave aryan warrior you from *your* lies about Dachau, or have you finally been given / forged those pictures you claimed to have where the showerheads are attached to water plumbing? Figured out how you're going to hand-wave away those two bins open to the outside in the middle of winter? Rather strange thing for a showerroom to have, don't you feel?
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[VonKleist]

Brookhart: Witness after witness, by testimony and affidavit, has said that the gas chamber killings were done on general or specific orders of Kaltenbrunner.

Kaltenbrunner: Show me one of those men or any of those orders. It is utterly impossible.

Brookhart: Practically all of the orders came through Kaltenbrunner.

Kaltenbrunner: Entirely impossible.

LOL. It takes chutzpah to keep repeating this idiocy.

You've been shown before that this is not the full extract from Kaltenbrunner's testimony. Why you or 9/11-transvestigator are incapable of reading the actual transcript for yourself (or selves) is beyond me. Are you so afraid of having to think for yourself rather than being told what to believe by CODOH all the time?

 

[dudalb]

LOL. It takes chutzpah to keep repeating this idiocy.

You can subsitute "even more extreme idiocy" for "chutzpah" and it still holds true.