Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[zooterkin]

Zooterkin was making a funny. His statement implies that there isn't anything worth keeping from the rest of the bible.


(Sorry, zooter, if I ruined your funny.)

You should probably be worried that you understand my jokes.

 

[Akhenaten]

However recently DOC ias been very critical of others using less than precise language, so I was assuming that he was using equally precise references, the 880 verses from the Bible, not the gospels.

Nah; in my opinion; argumentation ad minutiam is but one red herring in Doc's vast and well traveled bag of intellectual dishonesty it, in no way, implies that he makes any effort to apply to his own reasoning the absolute rigor he shamelessly ask from his opponents...

I'm really glad Simon said that, because I wasn't going to be anywhere near as polite about it.

 

[Akhenaten]

You should probably be worried that you understand my jokes.

In spite of DOC's constant interruptions, or perhaps because of them, we've developed quite a rapport here in our merry little band. I find myself more and more looking forward to reading what you've all had to say about this and that while I've been away doing real-world stuff and this is always my first port-of-call when I log in to the Forum.

What a funny world.

 

[Simon39759]

In spite of DOC's constant interruptions, or perhaps because of them, we've developed quite a rapport here in our merry little band. I find myself more and more looking forward to reading what you've all had to say about this and that while I've been away doing real-world stuff and this is always my first port-of-call when I log in to the Forum.

What a funny world.

Very true...
It's like when people survived a traumatic event together, we are united as the survivors of the great post-counts war of 2009 (and counting).

It's time to celebrate what I think could be the beginning of beautiful friendship...

 

[Hokulele]

Play it, Sam.

 

[carlitos]

You played it for her, you can play it for me. If she can stand it I can!

 

[Chris Hegarty]

Has anyone brought up the Comma Johanneum yet? I mean, holy whatsit. There's a certainty that it was inserted much later to sew up the bleeding threads of the whole proto-Orthodox and Gnostic infighting. Read about it; it's interesting.

Geeze, I read too much Ehrman.
Nah, there's no such thing.

 

[Simon39759]

Has anyone brought up the Comma Johanneum yet? I mean, holy whatsit. There's a certainty that it was inserted much later to sew up the bleeding threads of the whole proto-Orthodox and Gnostic infighting. Read about it; it's interesting.

Geeze, I read too much Ehrman.
Nah, there's no such thing.

Interesting stuff.
It seems to be like one more example of the NT progressively become skewed toward a more supernaturalist (and Greek influenced) reading.

I'd certainly need to read more about it, though.

 

[Hokulele]

Eh, there were a whole bunch of things written that were even more supernaturalist than what we have today. That whole proto-Orthodox/Gnostic infighting Chris Hegarty mentioned. Ehrman's Lost Christianities and Lost Scriptures go into this pretty well. And if you really want to see some infighting, read the Pagels/King book on the Gospel of Judas (Reading Judas).

 

[Simon39759]

True; But I was thinking mostly about the pattern between the orthodox epistles, the synoptic and Luke's. With a nod toward Ebionites that I suspect to be the original Christian movement...

 

[Waterman]

Zooterkin was making a funny. His statement implies that there isn't anything worth keeping from the rest of the bible.


(Sorry, zooter, if I ruined your funny.)

I saw the smilie, but it highlighted to me that I was not being the least bit rigorous, I hadn't even looked up anything on the Jefferson Bible that I was posting on. While I presumed it was really only covering the Gospels I didn't know for sure so I checked it out. Per Wiki it includes section lifted from Matthew, Mark Luke and John.

 

[Chris Hegarty]

True; But I was thinking mostly about the pattern between the orthodox epistles, the synoptic and Luke's. With a nod toward Ebionites that I suspect to be the original Christian movement...

And the strangest part of all of these factions within the early "Christian" (in quotes as many wanted to remain Jewish) faith is that so few people know about them. The Ebionites, for example, were crazy about giving all of their stuff away to the poor and following the Jewish rites to a tee. Of course, the wealthy didn't like that too much, so POOF! No Ebionites.

 

[Elizabeth I]

And the strangest part of all of these factions within the early "Christian" (in quotes as many wanted to remain Jewish) faith is that so few people know about them. The Ebionites, for example, were crazy about giving all of their stuff away to the poor and following the Jewish rites to a tee. Of course, the wealthy didn't like that too much, so POOF! No Ebionites.

I was thinking about this thread today (I know, I know...) and it occurred to me that this:

5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

really fits more with the Jewish historical world experience than with the Christian, except for a relatively few years during the growth of the Christian movement. I think that implies that the whole theory that Jesus actually saw himself as a Jewish Messiah rather than as the founder of a new religion has a lot of validity.

Thoughts from any of you here who have read more deeply on this subject?

p.s. Chris, are you new to the thread? If so, welcome to the loony bin. If not, I apologize that I missed your earlier post(s).

 

[Akhenaten]

And the strangest part of all of these factions within the early "Christian" (in quotes as many wanted to remain Jewish) faith is that so few people know about them. The Ebionites, for example, were crazy about giving all of their stuff away to the poor and following the Jewish rites to a tee. Of course, the wealthy didn't like that too much, so POOF! No Ebionites.

They turned them all gay? Awesome.


Hi Chris.



Waenre, Class Clown, at your service.

 

[Wolrab]

Just a friendly reminder. We are fast approaching another milestone in this thread, 12,000 posts (1,000 for each apostle!). Is it possible that is when DOC will finally reveal one measly evidence as to why we know the New Testament writers told the truth?

 

[Akhenaten]

You never know your luck in the big city, but I think I'll go ahead and prepare a graphic anyway, just in case.

The Apostolic theme sounds like a winner, so thanks in advance for the idea.

 

[Wolrab]

As has been pointed out already: what good is this thread if not for humor.

 

[kmortis]

There is much wisdom in the humor.

Well, others' humor, mine...not so much.

 

[dafydd]

In spite of DOC's constant interruptions, or perhaps because of them, we've developed quite a rapport here in our merry little band. I find myself more and more looking forward to reading what you've all had to say about this and that while I've been away doing real-world stuff and this is always my first port-of-call when I log in to the Forum.

What a funny world.

It's my first port-of-call too,this thread is like a long running comedy series,Doc should start charging us Entertainment Tax.

 

[Cactus Wren]

I personally don't know, my knowledge of the Jefferson Bible is limited to what has been posted here.

The text is available online here.