Expedition Will Seek to Find Noah's Ark

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From today's news.... WTF??!??


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040426/ap_on_sc/noah_s_ark



I don't even know which forum to post this in, so I went to religion.


Why is this news?

You might as well say that when I went on a hike in the Everglades I was on an Expedition to find the Fountain of Youth.

Ah, I remember the summer when I searched for El Dorado on a trip to Mazatlan. Found no city of gold, but I did find some good margaritas.

And there was the time I searched for bigfoot when I was in the american northwest. Found some signs he had been there recently, a torn up car, and trash can. The rangers said it was a grizzley bear. A coverup, I'm sure.
 
Is it possible there was some localised flooding somewhere round there and some bloke bobbed around for a while in a boat with a pair of goats, chickens, cows and, dare I even suggest it, pigs?
 
Not without a pair of VSTOL engines on it, no.
 
45 X 75 X 450 feet..................That shouldn't be too hard to spot.

That's one helluva chunk of gopher wood................

Time to go see what the RR folks are saying about this.........
 
Stories about expeditions to find Noah's Ark are nothing new. Some of the stories are quite funny, because they are such lame hoaxes.

I have heard at least three distinct stories from individuals who claimed to have actually found the Ark. They each described it in detail. Their descriptions, incidentally, were quite different from one another.

The funny part comes in when these guys tried to explain why they didn't bring back any evidence. No artifacts, no video, not even one photograph. The excuses offered were incredibly absurd. One of the fellows who said he found the ark said his camera broke, just as he found the ark. Another claimed that he ran out of film just as the ark was found!

What these guys all had in common was a story that they were asking people for money (surprise!) to return to Turkey and get the evidence that they forget to get the first time.

By the way, you don't have to look too hard in the region to find people who claim to have actual pieces of the ark in their possession. Religious relics are always good business.

Something that seems to be forgotten is that the Bible does NOT say that the ark came to rest upon "Mount Ararat" (also called "Greater Ararat"). Actually, Ararat as used in Genesis is a region with several mountains in it. According to Encyclopedia.com, "The land or the kingdom of Ararat (fl. c.9th-7th cent. BC), called in Assyrian Urartu, was situated between the river Araks and the lakes Van and Rezaiyeh. It included all the land later called Armenia."

In modern usage, Ararat includes to at least two mountains. In ancient usage, the kingdom of Ararat had many, many more than two mountains.

In addition, the Bible is not specific about which mountain was involved: "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." (Gen. 8:4)
 
Silicon said:
From today's news.... WTF??!??


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040426/ap_on_sc/noah_s_ark
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McGivern and Ahmet Ali Arslan, a Turkish mountain climber who grew up in a town near Mount Ararat, say satellite photos have helped them pinpoint a more exact location. Arslan will be leading the expedition.
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Let me get this straight..

This turkish mountain climber is using satellite photos to pinpoint the location?

These must be different satellites than the ones that can reveal a duck floating in a Baghdad swimming pool, or Time magazine would already have pictures of The Ark; right?
 
Or so it would seem, but the Ark's cloaking device is still operational, masking its heat signature and making it almost impossible to find without the help of Turkish mountain climbers.
 
Just found out... This new expedition is an hour late and 150,000,000 Turkish Lira short ... (`$1 U.S. )

According to this site..:

Noah's Ark Rediscovered!
He flew to Turkey and arrived at the ark site. Since the formation was mostly buried in mud, he felt it was too big a project for him. He returned to the his home in the United States and asked his friends to pray that God would do something to expose more of the ark.
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And God came through... ( I don't think he even killed anyone with this one..)
Several month later, an unusual earthquake occurred causing the ark to be exposed an additional 20 vertical feet.
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They have even found Noah's house, and one of Mrs. Noah's dresses..
Later expeditions also located what appears to be Noah's first home after the flood and the grave sites of Mr. and Mrs. Noah. The graves were evidenced by petroglyphs on the large tombstones. These were within ~5 miles of the Ark. Unfortunately, the graves were subsequently exhumed by grave robbers. The Turkish government later reported that a bodice that Mrs. Noah was wearing, which was covered with large precious stones, was sold on the Turkish black market for around $75 million..:eek:
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I can't imagine how all of this has been kept hidden from the general public..
 
is there enough water on earth to flood it? I mean if every glacier melted and all the moisture in the air fell in rain, would it be enough to put a large boat 17,000 feet up in a mountain?

I could see some regional flooding, and I could see some people surviving by loading up small craft with their families and animals until the rain stops, but why do the theists keep telling these childish stories to each other?
 
I'll_buy_that said:
is there enough water on earth to flood it? I mean if every glacier melted and all the moisture in the air fell in rain, would it be enough to put a large boat 17,000 feet up in a mountain?
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But then, all this would show is that the event could not naturally occur, and since we know that God is the cause of the flood, and not nature per se, then your argument loses much of it's bite, don't you think?
 
It is quite possible that the expedition will find something. If memory serves, there are historical reports of natives who built some "ruins" that could be shown to faithful pilgrims. The potential for pious fraud is very serious.
 
I would hazard a guess that the "satellite photos" these gents are being guided by would be those of the "Ararat Anomaly", an oddly-shaped feature which rests along a ridge on the northwest region of the mountain. It is interesting to note that the same ark researchers who fasten themselves on this anomaly do not consider it odd to continue to hold on and tout traditional "eyewitness" accounts which place the ark in the Ahora Gorge, on the other side of the mountain.

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In the above photo, the Anomaly proper is the curvy ridge which forms the bottom-right corner of the bright-white snow plain. It looks like just a ridge to me; however, some people say with absolute confidence that it must be man-made. Judge for yourself, I suppose.

There is a nice article about the subject on Space.com.
 
csense said:
But then, all this would show is that the event could not naturally occur, and since we know that God is the cause of the flood, and not nature per se, then your argument loses much of it's bite, don't you think?
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I love talking about the flood.

MLynn: The flood is an excellent place to begin to break down the biblical "truth" and mythology.

Before the Hebrew people, before the Babylonians, there were the Sumarians. As far as they can tell - their language was unique.

They have a story about one of their ancient kings - Gilgamesh (2700 BC - 700 Years before Abraham). Gilgamesh meets Utnapishtim. Who relays a tale about the council of gods plotting against man. The gods are going to cause a flood and wipe out mankind. However, Ea (one of the creators of humankind) likes man and tells Gilgamesh to build a vessel gather his family and all living things. The flood comes and lasts for 7 days and 7 nights. Utnapishtim looked out the window and everything was water. The other people had turned to stone. His boat comes to rest on Mt Nimush. He releases a dove and swallow which come back, but then releases a raven and it flies off. (so now he knows there is dry land again) He finds the dry land and releases the animals and sacrifices a sheep.
 
I'll_buy_that said:
is there enough water on earth to flood it? I mean if every glacier melted and all the moisture in the air fell in rain, would it be enough to put a large boat 17,000 feet up in a mountain?
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There is not enough water on earth to cover Mt Everest, which is how high the waters rose (and 15 cubits to spare).
 
The space.com article is pretty good.

The answersingenesis web site is, more often than not, just plain weird. If you start from the proposition that the Bible cannot be wrong, then the leaps in illogic know no bounds.
 
Yeah, hard to describe why sites like answersingenesis are so popular. I'd think all the the twisting and turning, bumping and jogging would wake people up. It all becomes just too much to believe. Ah well.

There have been several trips to the 'ark'. They keep running across these pesky basalt rock outcrops with square sides. Makes it hard to find that ark. :D

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html
 
Noah's Flood by Ryan & Pitman.
It looks at the flood and the archeological evidence for it (regional flood not global). However, it was a flooding of the Euxine Lake. They also follow the migration and the spread of flood stories from that point outward, including Gilgamesh.

Ossai
 
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