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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3
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William Parcher
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These are plaster casts from what is supposed to be the same Patty foot from the trackway cast by Bob Titmus. They aren't even the same size. Does the one on the left have 6 toes or is that an illusion?
Skeptical Greg
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Wow ! I hadn't seen that 6 toed version ..
I wonder if it is in Meldrum's book ..
I wonder if it is in Meldrum's book ..
A bit of toe jam stuck on each side of the big toe maybe?
William Parcher
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I guess it's not 6 toes. But there seems to be some improvement (added realism) to the shape in the high-contrast image I used here. Image from the left is from Krantz via Odinn. On the right is from a left/right series I found on the web but I don't know its ultimate source.
Skeptical Greg
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Skeptical Greg
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I think you are correct...
We have been sorely lacking in red lines lately ..
We have been sorely lacking in red lines lately ..
RayG
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Notice the clear indication of a mid-tarsal break. Whoops...
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That would seem to make the cast smaller than we have been told. Assuming those are 1" squares.
William Parcher
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Here they are matched up. You can see that somebody resized the high-contrast casts so that they all look to be the same size. Krantz's photo shows that they aren't and sometimes the sizes as remarkably different. They vary in length and width. Two casts don't show up in the Krantz photo.
Questions:
1. Why does Krantz show 8 Titmus casts instead of all 10?
2. Who did the high-contrast resized photos of the 10 Titmus casts?
Questions:
1. Why does Krantz show 8 Titmus casts instead of all 10?
2. Who did the high-contrast resized photos of the 10 Titmus casts?
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OH MY GOSH.
What is that bottom photo with the resized feet in it from?
That is freaking unreal that they would totally resize the originals to make them all look the same size. Who is responsible for that? is there a disclaimer or anything?
Jeffrey Meldrum before he had his spectacles readjusted.
(Joke)They kinda look like the 3D model footprints?
http://ivl.imnh.isu.edu/CMHF.htm
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Jeffrey Meldrum before he had his spectacles readjusted.
They kinda look like the 3D model footprints?
http://ivl.imnh.isu.edu/CMHF.htm
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_283964baa6d81c3a8f.jpg[/qimg]
I just shot Dr. Meldrum an email about this. Asking if he knew about the resizing of the footprints.
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Doh!
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I can tell you where I got it from. It was from the BFF in post #16. Dude named "Remember November".
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I am just asking Dr. Meldrum if he was aware of the size changes.
I can't read that. So I'll assume it was a really cool thread.
Skeptical Greg
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Yes Drew, you were a major contributor to the thread..
You had post #2 ..
Ahh, what a trip down memory lane..
One of my favorite exchanges ...
To which I replied:
For some reason, K didn't post any more in that thread .. Probably just a coincidence..
Spektator
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So I'm lying in bed, grading research projects, and the TV is on in the background just for noise. "MonsterQuest" comes on, a show about "The American Werewolf" or some such--the Dogman of Michigan. I'm too lazy to put down my grading and find the remote, so I half pay attention to it.
And as part of the show, there's a clip of "the Gable film"--an eight-mm film--kid on a snowmobile, someone chopping wood, then a drive in a truck and then this indistinct beast charges whoever's filming and the last action shot is the thing's gaping maw with big ole teeth chomping on the camera lens. MQ experts weigh in. The film obviously dates from the 1970s. As to the creature, they point out that it's definitely an unknown beastie, not a bear, not a wolf, not a dog, and it couldn't possibly be a guy in a suit because its movements and musculature are clearly inhuman.
But then disc jockey and author Steve Cook appears and identifies the mysterious creature as a gias. That is a guy in a suit. In fact, he was the guy in the suit. Even more, the film was shot not in the seventies, but about 2007, on old equipment. There was even a sequel "investigative film" showing the dead bodies of the thing's victims. But there was also a "making of" film shot at the same time showing Cook in the ghillie suit, doing a quadripedal run (a very good one too), the "dead body" revealed as a guy apparently sprawled on his face but actually standing in a hole and wearing a fake torso that made him look as though he were ripped in half, and so on (I think this was Cook again, in drag and a wig).
Long story short, a fake that for at least a couple of years evidently fooled a lot of experts. So...it can be done, eh?
And as part of the show, there's a clip of "the Gable film"--an eight-mm film--kid on a snowmobile, someone chopping wood, then a drive in a truck and then this indistinct beast charges whoever's filming and the last action shot is the thing's gaping maw with big ole teeth chomping on the camera lens. MQ experts weigh in. The film obviously dates from the 1970s. As to the creature, they point out that it's definitely an unknown beastie, not a bear, not a wolf, not a dog, and it couldn't possibly be a guy in a suit because its movements and musculature are clearly inhuman.
But then disc jockey and author Steve Cook appears and identifies the mysterious creature as a gias. That is a guy in a suit. In fact, he was the guy in the suit. Even more, the film was shot not in the seventies, but about 2007, on old equipment. There was even a sequel "investigative film" showing the dead bodies of the thing's victims. But there was also a "making of" film shot at the same time showing Cook in the ghillie suit, doing a quadripedal run (a very good one too), the "dead body" revealed as a guy apparently sprawled on his face but actually standing in a hole and wearing a fake torso that made him look as though he were ripped in half, and so on (I think this was Cook again, in drag and a wig).
Long story short, a fake that for at least a couple of years evidently fooled a lot of experts. So...it can be done, eh?
Spektator
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This morning a colleague who's a big MonsterQuest fan told me two things: (1) the show has not been renewed because of low ratings (awwww) and (2) I'm wrong, wrong, wrong about the hoax film. It wasn't by Steve Cook himself, but by a friend of his, Mike Agrusa, who used some old vehicles he had restored to establish the seventies ambience for the film clip and who was the guy in the ghillie suit.
I'd never heard of the Gable film before last night, but my colleague knew about it. He says "Some people in the crypto community thought it was a hoax when part 2 [a supposed filming of authorities investigating two bodies of people killed by the "dogman"] came out." Pushing him a little got him to admit, "Probably more people thought it was real than a hoax."
So I stand corrected. Serves me right for working when I should have been paying attention to a cheesy TV show.
Oh, and when I'm awake and have had coffee, I can spell "quadrupedal."
I'd never heard of the Gable film before last night, but my colleague knew about it. He says "Some people in the crypto community thought it was a hoax when part 2 [a supposed filming of authorities investigating two bodies of people killed by the "dogman"] came out." Pushing him a little got him to admit, "Probably more people thought it was real than a hoax."
So I stand corrected. Serves me right for working when I should have been paying attention to a cheesy TV show.
Oh, and when I'm awake and have had coffee, I can spell "quadrupedal."
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