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Split From Kamikaze Attacks and the Effect of Speed

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They planted explosives, smoke generators, and thermite--don't you people think the NWO could have planted sway devices to mimic plane impacts? Huh?

Wake up!!!111!!1!
 
jammonius said:
Cherrypick much ?

"We start heading down the block and we get down to I guess about Church Street and the second plane hit, and I remember just being underneath. I never heard the motor of the plane, the sound of the engines. We just heard the explosion, you felt the explosion, and looking straight up and seeing that fireball that you see on the news, but we’re underneath looking up now at it."

See pg. 4 at:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110375.PDF
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A complete reading of page 4 shows that he was inside his truck when the plane hit. The engine was running, the siren was going, the radio was going. That he didn't hear the plane tells us nothing.

Here are videos of Flight 11 and Flight 175 that show what people heard. If you were inside a building or on a firetruck with the siren running, the sound wasn't easy to tell from all the other traffic noises in rush hour NYC.



What do you think hit the towers and made them sway?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5737747#post5737747
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A W Smith said:
Because, By the time the plane got to where they were. the flight had ended. Can you even grasp how sound travels? If an aircraft is heading toward your location. Which way are the engines facing? It has nothing to do with first responder rank you moron. Add to that the Doppler effect. ever hear of it?

As far as seeing it. If you are somewhere at the base of a four sided tower in the caverns of lower Manhattan. you have in all likelihood , a 75% chance of not seeing it. And that's if you are looking up.
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Greetings AW,

OK, I am going to hand you off to big al and let the two of you argue it out. big al claims there were lots and lots of people who specifically heard jetliners all over the place.

big al claims, rather opposite to and in direction contravention of your approach as follows, merely one page ago:

You are doing what you do best; any idiot can find someone that didn't hear something. [Including AW? :D] This might be because they were in a firetruck with a wailing siren or they were deep inside a tower when the second plane hit.

Here's what people heard for the impact of the first crash. [Tell it to AW :D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmAWaKoYQ

How did your alleged fake planes generate the that noise?

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5737639&postcount=151

When you folks settle on whether people should or should not have heard a jetliner buzzing around at 500mph less than 1000ft above their heads, let me know and I will respond at that time.

Mind you, I'm saying the witnesses in the best position to have seen and heard jetliners, if any such thing were present, stand out for neither seeing nor hearing any such thing.
 
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jammonius said:
Greetings AW,

OK, I am going to hand you off to big al and let the two of you argue it out. big al claims there were lots and lots of people who specifically heard jetliners all over the place.
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AW's point about speed of sound is important and does nothing to contradict the videos I've provided or the reports from people that did hear the jets.

This is just one more example of jammonius's lack of any science knowledge with which to evaluate the evidence we provide.
 
jammonius said:
Greetings AW,

OK, I am going to hand you off to big al and let the two of you argue it out. big al claims there were lots and lots of people who specifically heard jetliners all over the place.

big al claims, rather opposite to and in direction contravention of your approach as follows, merely one page ago:

You are doing what you do best; any idiot can find someone that didn't hear something. [Including AW? :D] This might be because they were in a firetruck with a wailing siren or they were deep inside a tower when the second plane hit.

Here's what people heard for the impact of the first crash. [Tell it to AW :D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmAWaKoYQ

How did your alleged fake planes generate the that noise?

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5737639&postcount=151

When you folks settle on whether people should or should not have heard a jetliner buzzing around at 500mph less than 1000ft above their heads, let me know and I will respond at that time.

Mind you, I'm saying the witnesses in the best position to have seen and heard jetliners, if any such thing were present, stand out for neither seeing nor hearing any such thing.
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false choice logical fallacy noted. Are you claiming all did not or did hear or see the planes coming? Or are you claiming exception which proves the rule? Some did not hear or see the plane or planes approaching, therefore. no planes but Psyop?
 
A W Smith said:
false choice logical fallacy noted. Are you claiming all did not or did hear or see the planes coming? Or are you claiming exception which proves the rule? Some did not hear or see the plane or planes approaching, therefore. no planes but Psyop?
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Making the towers sway and distributing the plane debris is one powerful Psyop!!
 
jammonius said:
jackanory,

Thank you for posting and for using a page from my posting book, that of use of large letters. :)

The issue is that what people say almost always reveals something about them.

Do you know when Mr. Praimnath's account first appeared? I think it was at some point in 2002, many months after the event.

Do you accept that the shadow thingy was reliably clocked at traversing through the air at more than 500mph? If so, do you accept that speed translates to about 250 yards per second? And, given that rate of speed, jackanory, do you credit or discredit Mr. Praimnath's account where he states, as and how you quote, as follows:

"All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. The plane appeared to be like 100 yards away, the plane tore into the side of the building and exploded.

And, given that same attributed speed and all the joules and all the TNT that other posters have referenced, do credit or discredit the following:

However, he could see a flaming wing of the plane in the doorway of his department.

While not quoted by either you or by me here, so far, another of Mr. Praimnath's versions of his story has him both seeing the jetliner right on top of him, so to speak, and also allowing him to have enough time to go from one end of his office to another and hide under his desk which then served to do what the perimeter steel columns of the WTC could not do, that is, stop the jetliner in its tracks, all while not harming him in the least.

Let me be clear.

I here assert that Mr. Stanley Praimnath's survival and his account of it confrim as well as any single witness that what happened on 9/11 involved a shadow thingy and not a Boeing 767.

thanks
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Do you know what adrenaline is?
 
And be careful where you park your car. They have a less powerful setting on their space beam that does what they like to call "Rustification". It takes a bit longer so as to not be as noticeable as the "Dustification" setting...
 
16.5 said:
Gravy made a great point a few years back.

He said he doesn't debate with No Planers because he doesn't debate with the mentally ill.

Shadow thingy.
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I can't bear to read through this whole thread. The stupid is too thick. My question is: is a shadow thingy a truther brain, or what? Because I know people who SAW the second plane hit and they have no reason to lie or be brainwashed sheeple.
 
jammonius said:
Thank you gumboot, for your calculations. Now, what of the 500lb bomb attached to the A6M5 Reisen. Did your calculation include it?
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Given that I used maximum take-off weight, I've accounted for the weight of the bomb (and more) in my workings. Given that the bomb did not detonate until after the aircraft had penetrated the seven decks, the explosive force of the 500lb bomb (which is incidentally less than the fuel load of a B767) is irrelevant.
 
A W Smith said:
This guy didn't appear to see or respond to the plane until it impacted the south tower

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You realize, of course, that you are showing a snipet from the Evan Fairbanks video, right?

Assuming you realize as much, let's do a little "stipulation" of our own consisting in a list of things we agree on:

1--I agree with your above quoted statement:

This guy didn't appear to see or respond to the plane until it impacted the south tower

2--Do you agree with me that the video was taken by Evan Fairbanks?

Let me know.

3--As to his video, Evan Fairbanks said "It looked like a bad special effect" or words to that effect. I quoted him in an earlier post.

Are we in agreement on that much?
 
gumboot said:
Given that I used maximum take-off weight, I've accounted for the weight of the bomb (and more) in my workings. Given that the bomb did not detonate until after the aircraft had penetrated the seven decks, the explosive force of the 500lb bomb (which is incidentally less than the fuel load of a B767) is irrelevant.
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Thanks for your reply.

When you say "the explosive force of the 500lb bomb (which is incidentally less than the fuel load of a B767)" what do you mean by "the fuel load"? Does that refer to the weight of the liquid or the energy volatility of kerosene?

By the way, do your calculations take into consideration the differing energy/volatility characteristics as between aviation gasoline and aviation jet fuel, which is kerosene? If so, how was that done; if not, why not?
 
jammonius said:
You realize, of course, that you are showing a snipet from the Evan Fairbanks video, right?

Assuming you realize as much, let's do a little "stipulation" of our own consisting in a list of things we agree on:

1--I agree with your above quoted statement:

This guy didn't appear to see or respond to the plane until it impacted the south tower
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Yup. So what? The guy had no clue which direction the jet was coming from because he was behind a wall of buildings that blocked vision and confused sound direction clues.

No-planers are mentally deranged. "thingy" is a lame attempt on your part to dodge being called a no-planer. The dodge doesn't work. What do you think hit the towers and made them sway?



The record volume was clearly turned down on the camera. Other videos show shouts and screams when the plane hits.

Here are videos of Flight 11 and Flight 175 that show what people heard. If you were inside a building or on a firetruck with the siren running, the sound wasn't easy to tell from all the other traffic noises in rush hour NYC.

For instance;

 
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