Split From Kamikaze Attacks and the Effect of Speed

jammonius

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Greetings scott,

I am not referring to meth or other forms of stimulants. Rather, I mean the magnitude of an objects's instantaneous velocity (here). The claim is repeatedly being made by our Truther friends that jet planes crashing into the WTC and Pentagon could not have caused the damage that was observed because they were not hard enough. I think that's their argument. I don't have the patience to wade through all their Truther crap to find out the exact nature of their claims. I just want to expand on some observations that I think are relevant and let the morons set me straight with their amazing logic.

Well, goodness knows you should expand on some observsations you think are relevant, without, at the same time, having a very clear indication of what your expanded observations apply to. This is, after all, just a message board.

Take a look at this illustration and see if, by chance, it helps you:

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The contentions that are made about the video of the shadow thingy hitting WTC2 include, but aren't necessarily limited to, the following:

1--The shadow thingy hits WTC2 without exploding.
2--The shadow thingy hits without disentegrating.
3--The shadow thingy hits without slowing, and continues into WTC2 without so much as a wing clipping off, from nose to midsection from midsection past the wings on through and including the tail without any apparent change in speed, direction or any other indicator that what is seen is real.
4--Finally, though not shown in the above, to the extent an explosion did occur, it occurred in the wrong place, namely on the east side of the building, after the shadow thingy had completely penetrated the WTC as if it were a hot knife instead of a hollow aluminum tube and as is the WTC was butter instead of a solidly constructed skyscraper that was the tallest building in the world when built and built accordingly.

Speaking of having "patience to wade through all ... the... crap to find out the exact nature of YOUR claims" I understand there have been several that simply do not attribute the normal attributes to either aluminum or to structural steel; and, instead, obfuscate those attributes away. One other thing that is also expendible by your side is common sense. However, let me quickly add I do not mean that in a disparaging way.

Dispensation with common sense is what the 9/11 psyop was intended to do. It was staged and rolled out so as to prevent questioning as doing so goes against an overarching appearance of authority, clothed in patriotism and in xenophobia. The public had no chance to put its thinking cap on straight in the face of the "shock and awe" tactic that was used against us.

Your reaction is understandable. I get that. It is necessary for most people to either accept the common myth or to keep quiet about their reservations for fear of being ostracized.

Over on this post, we were talking about Japanese suicide attacks during the Second World War - the Kamikaze. Planes often not much larger than a car but with top speeds of as much as 600 mph were collided with steel ships over a thousand times heavy. At least 26 ships were sunk by Kamikaze. Check this video at 1:04 for an example of what speed can do.

The Kamikaze planes were loaded with explosives, not mere aviation fuel. And, as to such fuel, aviation fuel used in piston engines was gasoline. Jet fuel isn't even that; rather, it is only kerosene and does not burn anywhere near hot enough to do a damn thing to steel. Furthermore, the amount of kerosene attributable to the shadow thingy was about enough to fill an average size backyard swimming pool and thus was nowhere near sufficient in volume to do much damage to the WTC. Indeed, it didn't do any damage to it as it was entering the building, from nose to tail, wing tip to wing tip. It didn't even explode.

You do see and acknowledge that, don't you? Or does your level of denial extend to imagining an interior explosion that Stanley Pramnath miraculously survived, followed by some kind of "physics" that explains why the main explosion, burning up most of the fuel, was in the wrong place, outside the otherside of the building. And, that, nonetheless, there was still enough inside to melt away steel beams and core columns?

If you try, you might be able at this juncture to rid yourself of the "shock and awe' effect and regain your senses. Try it.

But don't believe me. Let's hear what our Truther scientists have to say about this.

What, exactly, is your claim?
 
So, jammonius, you tell us in your expert opinion exactly what SHOULD have happened when that plane struck the building, and how it would differ from what we see, because all you just did was post a great big steaming pile of incredulity.
 
aviation fuel used in piston engines was gasoline. Jet fuel isn't even that; rather, it is only kerosene and does not burn anywhere near hot enough to do a damn thing to steel.

Are you saying that gasoline flames are hotter than kerosene flames?
 
Furthermore, the amount of kerosene attributable to the shadow thingy was about enough to fill an average size backyard swimming pool and thus was nowhere near sufficient in volume to do much damage to the WTC.


SO what was the total Joules in energy stored in that swimming pool?
 
Are you saying that gasoline flames are hotter than kerosene flames?

I have J on ignore.. but did he just say that the jet fuel woudln't do anything to the steel?

didn't national geographic show that in under 4 minutes the steel would weaken and fail in a jet fueled fire?

Is J really that ignorant?
 
So, jammonius, you tell us in your expert opinion exactly what SHOULD have happened when that plane struck the building, and how it would differ from what we see, because all you just did was post a great big steaming pile of incredulity.

Bounced off maybe lol
 
The contentions that are made about the video of the shadow thingy hitting WTC2 include, but aren't necessarily limited to, the following:
What? Are you going to make one of your fallacious wheel cover/cargo carrier analogies again?
1--The shadow thingy hits WTC2 without exploding.
What is there in the nose of the airliner that would explode on contact?
2--The shadow thingy hits without disentegrating.
So, you have video of what happened inside the building?
3--The shadow thingy hits without slowing, and continues into WTC2 without so much as a wing clipping off, from nose to midsection from midsection past the wings on through and including the tail without any apparent change in speed, direction or any other indicator that what is seen is real.
So you thing loony toons crashes are real. Maybe you should look up simple concepts like mass and momentum.
4--Finally, though not shown in the above, to the extent an explosion did occur, it occurred in the wrong place, namely on the east side of the building, after the shadow thingy had completely penetrated the WTC as if it were a hot knife instead of a hollow aluminum tube and as is the WTC was butter instead of a solidly constructed skyscraper that was the tallest building in the world when built and built accordingly.
Having the most basic of knowledge of mass, momentum and the construction of the building would show how your statement has no basis in reality.
Dispensation with common sense is what the 9/11 psyop was intended to do. It was staged and rolled out so as to prevent questioning as doing so goes against an overarching appearance of authority, clothed in patriotism and in xenophobia. The public had no chance to put its thinking cap on straight in the face of the "shock and awe" tactic that was used against us.
Wow, a bunch of meaningless words based on delusion and not on any known common sense in the real world.
Your reaction is understandable. I get that. It is necessary for most people to either accept the common myth or to keep quiet about their reservations for fear of being ostracized.
Your reaction is completely understandable. You have an extreme need to hold on to your fantasy in order for you to get the attention that you don't get in the real world. You dispense with logic and reason in your desperation. Since your flt 93 fantasy has been exposed as fraudulent, you move on to here.
 
Dispensation with common sense is what the 9/11 psyop was intended to do. It was staged and rolled out so as to prevent questioning as doing so goes against an overarching appearance of authority, clothed in patriotism and in xenophobia. The public had no chance to put its thinking cap on straight in the face of the "shock and awe" tactic that was used against us.

What about all the people from other countries who believe that 9/11 wasn't an inside job? What preventing them from putting on their thinking caps?
 
Furthermore, the amount of kerosene attributable to the shadow thingy was about enough to fill an average size backyard swimming pool and thus was nowhere near sufficient in volume to do much damage to the WTC.

What, exactly, is your claim?
Your claims on 911 are delusional.

The 66,000 pounds of jet fuel have the heat energy of 315 tons of TNT. Beats in energy the feeble Kamikaze with a small bomb. FACT is the impact alone of Flight 175 at 590 mph was equal in kinetic energy to 2093 pounds of TNT.

Your lack of knowledge is producing mind numbing nonsense so stupid it hurts to read. I can't imagine how hard it is to try to make up your failed ideas. Each time I think you have hit the bottom in the pit of ignorance on 911 issues you continue to find new depths of stupid based on new depths of ignorance.

Physics is only a class away for most, for you it is behind an impenetrable shield of moronic stupidity.
 
What about all the people from other countries who believe that 9/11 wasn't an inside job? What preventing them from putting on their thinking caps?

Jammonius is, I would imagine, well aware that there are very few, if any, countrymen of his who will believe anything for no other reason than that it's on American TV.

Dave
 
No life skills. No interaction with the outside world. No relative employment skills. No relative employment qualifications. No real experiences.

Just gullible internet junkies with too much time on their hands..........and a chipped shoulder or two.


And damaged drug addled mind.....
 
I have J on ignore.. but did he just say that the jet fuel woudln't do anything to the steel?

didn't national geographic show that in under 4 minutes the steel would weaken and fail in a jet fueled fire?

Is J really that ignorant?
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There's no limit there.
In the video -he- provides, the plane going into the building is a "shadowy thing" according to him.
It's an airplane, obvious to the meanest intellect, which illustrates the low bar he fails to clear on this, and every other aspect.
 
Jammonius;
You do understand that the outer "shell" of the towers was not the strongest, most ridgid part of the buildings... right?
 
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There's no limit there.
In the video -he- provides, the plane going into the building is a "shadowy thing" according to him.
It's an airplane, obvious to the meanest intellect, which illustrates the low bar he fails to clear on this, and every other aspect.

Very well put. Jammonius continues to humiliate himself. The only persistent truthers left are those pathological that feel no shame.
 
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off topic but watching (in Jammonius post)that slow animation of the plane entering the building is horrible. My mind only goes to the people in the above floors that know there is no way out and their last horrific moments. They've been gone for almost 9 years but loved ones live with these memories over and over. These are the reasons why I wish I still believed in "heaven"
 
off topic but watching (in Jammonius post)that slow animation of the plane entering the building is horrible. My mind only goes to the people in the above floors that know there is no way out and their last horrific moments. They've been gone for almost 9 years but loved ones live with these memories over and over. These are the reasons why I wish I still believed in "heaven"
Amen!
It disgusts me reading his "shadow thingy" comment! It was people who are no longer with us. It caused many others to no longer walk this Beautiful Blue Ball, as well!
We should all take notice of this, and NEVER reply to this callous internet persona (read troll) AGAIN!

Sadly::mad:
Never gonna happen. I'm out, though.
 
Greetings scott,



Well, goodness knows you should expand on some observsations you think are relevant, without, at the same time, having a very clear indication of what your expanded observations apply to. This is, after all, just a message board.

Take a look at this illustration and see if, by chance, it helps you:

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The contentions that are made about the video of the shadow thingy hitting WTC2 include, but aren't necessarily limited to, the following:

1--The shadow thingy hits WTC2 without exploding.
2--The shadow thingy hits without disentegrating.


The "shadow thingy" was a Boeing 757/767.

It and the three others like it hijacked on 9/11 killed about 3,000 people. New Yorkers know people that died or families of those people.
 
So, jammonius, you tell us in your expert opinion exactly what SHOULD have happened when that plane struck the building, and how it would differ from what we see, because all you just did was post a great big steaming pile of incredulity.

Hi twinstead,

Why do you always reserve onto yourself the role of critic? Do you ever offer up an affirmative approach to dialogue that involves YOU in the role of the person providing information?

Look, I think you're wasting time here. If I post up anything in the nature of proof, it is likely you will disagree with it and demand more proof. That is a tiresome, boring and all too predictable game.

I will here only engage with you if you assume an affirmative stance and post up what YOU think SHOULD have happened. If you support the claim that the shadow thingy image I HAVE ALREADY posted is an accurate representation of what should happen, then kindly affirm your reasons.

If you do not wish to do that, then fine. But, I am not going to allow you the role of questioner in each and every thread. You provide some answers once in awhile and for a change.

After all, if you're so wedded to the common storyline of 9/11, in whatever facet might be involved, then post up some proof of it every now and then. Otherwise, you and I are going to merely post and re-post "prove it" posts from now until the cows come home, twinstead, because you do not own the right to ask for proof.
 

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