Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[I Ratant]

Bummer!

 

[Akhenaten]

My fault. I was distracted.

 

[joobz]

11,001 posts.
Only 1730ish of those are from DOC.

hence, there is less evidence for the bible writers telling the truth than there is that the bible writers were writing fiction.

 

[paximperium]

11000 posts and still no evidence for why we know te New Testament writers told the truth.

 

[Elizabeth I]

My fault. I was distracted.

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Nommed.

"Canon to the right of them, canon to the left of them..." tee hee

 

[Lucian]

As a penance for mucking up the 11000th post, I went to hear Norman Geisler lecture. Also Brannon Howse. There was also a creation guy after the break (or selling-orgy), but based on a preview of his talk (when Howse ran out to his motor coach to get something he'd forgotten), it was clear he didn't understand that you don't have to yell when you're on mic. Also, having visited the Creation Museum earlier this year, we figured we'd done our creationist time, so we left early.

Geisler: Began by saying, "It's great to be here tonight. Of course, at my age, it's great to be anywhere." I am not kidding. There were many jokes of the same quality. He assured us that after his lecture, we'd never have to be worried about facing skeptics/atheists/agnostics again.

General outline: What is truth? Things that are true, like 2+2=4 and the divinity of Jesus. Can more than one religion be true? No. Which one is true? Christianity. How do we know? Bible says so. The end. He took an hour to get through this, though. He noted that he has written a book on logic and reason. I assume it was used as the main text in DOC's logic class.

Brannon Howse: Bat-guano, raving, commie/fascist/fag/Satanic-element-taking-over-gubmint conspiracy theory crazy.

 

[Simon39759]

My fault. I was distracted.

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Charge for the logical fallacies!

 

[Akhenaten]

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A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies.

- Alfred, Lord Tennyson​

 

[amb]

''Make an island of yourself, make yourself a refuge; there is no other refuge.
The Buddha. Gautama

 

[Akhenaten]

This isn't a bad way to inject some actual knowledge into this miasma, is it?

Sin is too stupid to see beyond itself.

- Alfred Lord Tennyson​

 

[amb]

Thomas Paine, in The Age Of Reason, asked: ''Is it more probable that nature should go out of her course, or that a man should tell a lie?'' On discussing the miracles as reported in the N/T.
He goes on: ''We have never seen, in our time, nature go out fo her course; but we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told in the same time; it is therefore, at least millions to one, that the reporter of a miracle tells a lie.''

How true is that statement? 99.9% I would hazard a guess.

 

[Belz...]

No, because we know the author wrote it in 2010. Just like the first few people Matthew Mark and Luke gave their writings to would know they had just been written

Would they ?

Would they a few hundred years later ?

 

[Akhenaten]

Luke 1:1-20


1 Lotz of pplz tried to tel dis stori,2 its turnded into sort of an urbn lejnd LOL.3 So I investigated evrithin for mai frend Theophilus,4 so u will know teh truef.

I knows Ceiling Cat5 Wen Herrud hads cheezburgers, sum dood callz Zac hads waif callz Liz.6 Dey laiks Ceiling Cat and does not pee on his rug.7 But dey waz old and still has no kittehs.8 One dai, Zac waz serving Ceiling Cat,9 He hadz to smoke da catnip10 Wen every doodz was preying.11 And dey was an Birdcat in da catnip -12 O noes!13 But teh Birdcat sed "is okai. You can has a kitteh. Calls him Jon.14 You can has partiez, and all teh doodz also15 Foar Ceiling Cat will laik him; but he cans not has da drinkies.16 An he will work foar teh Ceiling Cat17 And makes all teh doodz sry dey was bad."18 An Zac sed: "wat? But me and mai waif has rinkles"19 An teh Birdcat sed "Well duh, Iz can tel. Srsly, Iz Gabriowl. I knows Ceiling Cat, who sendz me,20 But 'cos you doesn't beleeve me you can has no voys foar now, kthxbai".

 

[AdinDraco]

Luke 1:1-20


1 Lotz of pplz tried to tel dis stori,2 its turnded into sort of an urbn lejnd LOL.3 So I investigated evrithin for mai frend Theophilus,4 so u will know teh truef.

I knows Ceiling Cat5 Wen Herrud hads cheezburgers, sum dood callz Zac hads waif callz Liz.6 Dey laiks Ceiling Cat and does not pee on his rug.7 But dey waz old and still has no kittehs.8 One dai, Zac waz serving Ceiling Cat,9 He hadz to smoke da catnip10 Wen every doodz was preying.11 And dey was an Birdcat in da catnip -12 O noes!13 But teh Birdcat sed "is okai. You can has a kitteh. Calls him Jon.14 You can has partiez, and all teh doodz also15 Foar Ceiling Cat will laik him; but he cans not has da drinkies.16 An he will work foar teh Ceiling Cat17 And makes all teh doodz sry dey was bad."18 An Zac sed: "wat? But me and mai waif has rinkles"19 An teh Birdcat sed "Well duh, Iz can tel. Srsly, Iz Gabriowl. I knows Ceiling Cat, who sendz me,20 But 'cos you doesn't beleeve me you can has no voys foar now, kthxbai".

Hahaha - I tried to do this in the Evidence of God thread, that is, repeat back every bible quote in this form, but I got up the second morning that I wanted to do this and there were 20+ quotes because a certain poster there loves his particular argument from authority and only with 10 minutes to go before leaving for work....I thought, bugger it, leave it to the experts.

Btw, is it official? Can we use cat pictures again? I got warned off the first time I tried it.

 

[Lothian]

To celebrate the 11,000 posts I thought I would test to see if Doc is telling the truth about having evidence. Like any good scholar I looked to see what tests should be applied to see if someone is a truth teller. I found 10 such tests by an acclaimed academic called Geisler. I have taken his tests and compared them to Doc’s behaviour.

1. The New Testament writers include embarrassing details about themselves

Fail - Doc’s refusal to accept he is wrong even when shown to be. He shows no embarrassment.

2. The New Testament Writers Included Embarrassing Details and difficult sayings of Jesus.

Fail - Doc denies that Jesus supported slavery. He does not accept Jesus views are embarrassing.

3. The New Testament writers left in demanding sayings of Jesus

Fail -Doc changes the literal text to make it less demanding. See slaves again.

4. The New Testament Writers carefully distinguished Jesus' words from their own

Fail -Doc quote mines so that the true meaning can not be distinguished

5. The New Testament writers include events related to the resurrection that they would not have invented

Fail- Doc has invented evidence since page 1.

6. The New Testament writers include more than thirty historically confirmed people in their writings.

Fail -Doc only refers to two William Ramsay and Thomas Jefferson

7. The New Testament writers include divergent details.

Fail -See Docs argument that the visitors to the tomb are describing the same event and the accounts do not diverge.

8. The New Testament writers challenge readers to check out verifiable facts, even facts about miracles

Fail - Doc asks that you accept his arguments and don’t challenge the miracles which are in the Bible; so fact.

9. New Testament writers describe miracles like other historical events

Fail - Doc argues that the miracles are described accurately but there is no evidence of historical events like the American civil war.

10. The New Testament writers abandoned their long-held sacred beliefs and practices, adopted new ones, and did not deny their testimony under persecution or threat of death

Fail - Doc has not changed his view despite being proved wrong so many times.


Ten out of ten. The verdict is clear. Doc is clearly lying when claiming to have produced evidence.

 

[Think_Tank]

My fault. I was distracted.

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To celebrate the 11,000 posts I thought I would test to see if Doc is telling the truth about having evidence. Like any good scholar I looked to see what tests should be applied to see if someone is a truth teller. I found 10 such tests by an acclaimed academic called Geisler. I have taken his tests and compared them to Doc’s behaviour.

<snip for brevity>

One page, two instant nominations. No wonder this thread is still going

 

[Akhenaten]

To celebrate the 11,000 posts I thought I would test to see if Doc is telling the truth about having evidence. Like any good scholar I looked to see what tests should be applied to see if someone is a truth teller. I found 10 such tests by an acclaimed academic called Geisler. I have taken his tests and compared them to Doc’s behaviour.
miracles are described accurately but there is no evidence of historical events like the American civil war.

<impeccable scholarship>

Ten out of ten. The verdict is clear. Doc is clearly lying when claiming to have produced evidence.

Not only that, but I'm inclined to think that before he started there may have been people who honestly thought there was some evidence, but he's managed to convince them that there isn't.

I think I'm in that group myself, as a matter of fact.

I wonder if something awful has happened to the real DOC who created the OP and we've actually been dealing with the antiDOC.

 

[Akhenaten]

Hahaha - I tried to do this in the Evidence of God thread, that is, repeat back every bible quote in this form, but I got up the second morning that I wanted to do this and there were 20+ quotes because a certain poster there loves his particular argument from authority and only with 10 minutes to go before leaving for work....I thought, bugger it, leave it to the experts.

I has confeshun. No has needz 2 do hard wurk all by selfs.

U can has link wat Birdcat givez faroe to lolcat bible translation project

Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

Btw, is it official? Can we use cat pictures again? I got warned off the first time I tried it.

U stil no can has kittehs in threads, eggsept dis one.

Ceiling Cat sez avvytar kittehs is gud tho, srsly.

kthxbai

 

[Akhenaten]

One page, two instant nominations. No wonder this thread is still going

The blessings of the Aten be upon your house, and all who dwell therein.

Now we just have to hope that 'Teh Messenger' doesn't show up and bring more important stuff in, because it really spoils a good thread when that happens.

 

[kmortis]

See, I always imagine people standing in boxes singing it after someone says "mattress" to Mr. Lambert.

Maybe if we all stood in boxes singing "Jerusalem" at the same time, the bag of fallacious reasoning would be removed from this thread and peace and logic would reign.

Hrm....so you're suggesting that next time DOC posts some drivel, rather than trotting out all the old refutations, we should all post at least one stanza from "And did those feet in ancient time" by William Blake?