Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[LTC8K6]

Well done, Kit.

Ask him what he thinks happened to the suit.

 

[kitakaze]

Well done, Kit.

Ask him what he thinks happened to the suit.

One of the things I'm going to do is basically forget what I have read about much of Bob's story and get him to tell me all about things from scratch. So, tell me about the suit. How long did you have the suit? What was the suit like? Who saw the suit? When did you last have it? Who did you give it to? Any idea where it went?

When we were talking he asked me if I knew about Philip Morris. He said he was a real interesting character and should be able to tell me many things about the suit. I have long been of the inclination that it wasn't Morris, but he said we should talk. I will ask Bob if he can help me contact Morris. I plan to talk to a number of people, including Greg Long.

 

[River]

Delicious. I like your thinking, River. This is along the lines where I would like to go. I could offer to pay both men a fee for making the appearance, if necessary. I would have not the slightest qualm about shopping the interview to cover any losses I'm taking. With both men at the table and the right questions being asked, this could be something huge, however it goes.

What I wouldn't have given to be in the right place at the right time two weeks ago at the horse show both BH and BG were at ready with a smile, the right questions, and a tape recorder/camera.

It would be like a Bigfootery TMZ freak-out!

Yep. I think if its "marketed" to both of them properly as "setting the record straight once and for all" it might be appealing to BG. Otherwise, I think you'd have an extremely difficult time getting him to agree to such an interview. I think its a golden opportunity though, and probably not going to be available to us much longer. Definitely worth a shot, and definitely worth bucks as far as a valuable interview. I hope you can make that happen. I predict it would be easy to market such an interview afterwards to collect any expenses also. A lot easier than with just an interview with one of them. I cant see a good reason why both of them wouldnt want to "set the record straight". Unless one of them happens to be lying. If I were Gimlin I'd definitely want to set the record straight and confront them on camera if they were lying about such a thing. (and if the film was legitimate - no chance haha)

Heironimus would probably agree to such an interview. I dont think Gimlin will. (just my prediction on things) If he doesnt, that paints a little bit of light on the subject as well. Makes one think... why wouldnt he do that interview? Nothing to lose if you've got the truth on your side.


People have picked around this subject for a long time. There are two of the people directly involved (depending on whos story you believe that is) that have never been questioned together. It has TV magic written all over it. Know how to get in touch with Gimlin? His number is probably still listed.

 

[kitakaze]

My thoughts exactly, River.

Why should Bob H do the interview? I spoke with him exactly about this on the phone. I was speaking with him about what the general reaction and repercussions have been since Greg Long's book came out in '04. I was telling him about how many people have written him off as some random crazy liar and how he is painted as just another "I was Patty" wacko/scammer.

I was telling him the importance of people knowing just how close the connection is between Gimlin and Heironimus. I explained to him how it was the JREF where we discovered the images of him on Patterson's film and found the extent to which Chico was used by Patterson and Gimlin. I impressed upon him that this is something people need to know and that Long's book has done far too little to get to the truth.

As for Bob Gimlin,

I would not sit at a table with him and call him a liar. I would put out all the things that don't add up and try and get the men to make sense of it while at the table together. Gimlin says he is tired of the effect that the film has had on his life and marriage. In the recent interview he said how much flack his wife took after Long's book came out. It is strange to me that the trouble the book caused never was enough for BG to take legal action.

What I am not going to do is go down to Yakima and do a TMZ on Gimlin. There are important questions for both men to answer. If Gimlin is not willing to come to the table, that speaks loud enough for me. In the meantime, I want as many people to start learning just how bizarre the circumstances of this story are. I'm so done with 6 years of endles crap and graphs and charts. Let's do this thing and get these guys talking while they're still around to talk. If we lose that chance, I don't think I could take another four years of Sweaty's amazing technicolour dreamposts. If I could do this interview and get it released I would call it...

9 Doors Apart...​

The Bob Gimlin & Bob Heironimus Interview​

 

[Correa Neto]

Way to go, K!

Someone must stand for JREF's "E"!

Prepare yourself for the Wrath of the Footers!

 

[Drewbot]

You could go to visit BobH, and you and him should walk right on over to BobG's place, and confront him with it, Have H say to G, "BobG, are you calling me a liar? This guy says you called me a liar, but you did ride my horse in BC, CA, and you know I was in the suit, and you know Roger promised me $1000 to wear the suit, please tell this man I am not a liar"

I'll bet to you and BobH's face, BobG would find it difficult to put his friend in that category.

 

[The Shrike]

"I really am very much impressed, Fraulein."

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Bob G has reams of doe-eyed people hanging on his every word and knows they would be crushed for him to come out and admit a hoax.

Sounds like you, kitakaze, with Bob Heironimus...right now.

What I need now is to go back and look at what are the best leads for holes in the plausibility of BH's story.

Patty's elbow-reach. It's beyond Bob's elbow-reach. (Too bad.)


I've been adding to the analysis, and will be posting more of it, later.



Carry on with your Doe-eyed duty....DEER.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Bob advised that I should talk with Philip Morris.

Here's a question for you to ask Bob, kitakaze...


"Did Roger ever "skin-out a dead, red horse", to make his suit with?"

(And...did the suit really stink??)

 

[Volsquatch]

Kit, I am impressed with your persistence and determination. You have proven yourself over and over to have the will, the drive, and the sufficient level of objectivity and critical thinking skills which will be needed in order to pull something like this off. In other words, we can all trust you to not get all Sweaty and screw things up.

That said, I'd also not like to see the same things hashed over for yet another time. The Bigfootery Cheering Section have already grown fat on those easy pickings. I would try to stay away from traveling any previous paths, I'd approach this in a somewhat unconventional manner, prying open cracks that may have so far been overlooked.

One of the most important pieces to this ongoing saga is the suit, that "Holy Grail" and gilded icon of the PGF debate. This is something which 'Footers have blown-up, shrunk, shape shifted, prayed to and woke up wet over on many a cold, lonely morning.

I would assign the finding of that suit a top priority and given just as much importance as any other goal I had set for this long-overdue fact-finding foray.

I know from experience that things can be put away into attics and forgotten about for years. Last year, I bought a 200+ year-old cabin and the entire contents. You wouldn't believe what I found inside, and what was hidden away in the attic loft. No bubble-butted ape suits mind you, but one odd piece was a very old Native American hand-woven basket. I contacted an old friend in CA(Kathy Strain) who knew about these things and sent it to her as a gift, which in return she sent me a signed copy of her book(which is very interesting and an entirely different discussion altogether). Turns out the basket was actually a California basket, a long way from it's origins and not a local piece as I had initially thought. That basket had been forgotten about in that attic loft for probably well over 100 years.

Things have gotten shoved into attics and outbuildings for years on end, forgotten and gathering dust. All you have to do is ask. Go door to door if you have to. Follow leads, like maybe a close friend who could have borrowed it for a Halloween stunt, possibly ending up in theirs or their Mom's attic. It's a small town, so you never know.

 

[GT/CS]

It'll be fun to watch the responses among the various bigfoot sites when they find out about Kit's pending discussion with Bob.

Surely they will all be restrained, rational, and civilized.

 

[The Shrike]

My hunch is that Roger was smart enough to destroy every piece of that suit once he realized he had a good looking film to work with.

 

[kitakaze]

Sounds like you, kitakaze, with Bob Heironimus...right now.

Fawning over Bob's every word? Except for the fact that I did most of the talking and was not falling over myself to suck up to the man. He's a man with an important story to tell and I'd like to hear it rather than look at another 5000 Rorschachs and technicolour flails by you. One thing I'd love to hear your opinion about, though, Sweaty is this...

What do you think of the fact that the only person who has ever claimed to be Patty was friends with Bob Gimlin at the time the PGF was made and appears at various points on Patterson's film? What do you think about the fact that Bob Heironimus lives only nine doors from Bob Gimlin and has done so since the PGF was made? What do you think about the fact that Bob Gimlin has never taken any legal action against the man whose testimony threatens his credibility to people all over the world who see him as a hero and endangers his personal profit from the film? What do you think about the fact that Bob Heironimus has passed two separate polygraphs concerning his involvement with the PGF? What do you think of the fact that Heironimus confirms that he is still friends with his neighbour, Gimlin, and sees him on occasion in which there is no discussion about Bigfoot at all?

Do you not find it troubling at all that the only person to ever claim to be Patty is that closely associated with Patterson and Gimlin?

I don't think you can sincerely and honestly answer those questions, Sweaty. I think you'd sooner fall in a fanatical fit of giant coloured text rants than address the glaring reality that Bob Heironimus is not some random whackjob, but rather someone with a long and close involvement with the principles of the PGF. You won't address those points, and will simply cling to your laughable scribbles.

Patty's elbow-reach. It's beyond Bob's elbow-reach. (Too bad.)

Bob's arms couldn't fit into Patty's? That's funny because every attempt you've made to show that has fallen apart under the simplest scrutiny. I assure you, though, that when I meet Bob in Yakima that I'll take measurements head to toe and give you material to obsess about for years to come.

I've been adding to the analysis, and will be posting more of it, later.

Like this garbage? Or will you be cutting off more feet? Either way, I promise you I could not care less.

 

[Correa Neto]

See? I told you.

The Wrath of Sweaty Yeti!!!

Frightening!

Woooooo!

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Patty's elbow-reach. It's beyond Bob's elbow-reach. (Too bad.)

Bob's arms couldn't fit into Patty's?

That's funny because every attempt you've made to show that has fallen apart under the simplest scrutiny.

Nice twist of the subject of my post, kitakaze....it's what you do best!


Patty's ELBOWS extend (significantly) further from her backbone than Bob's do from his backbone....with their arms at comparable angles.

This difference can ONLY be due to a skeletal difference....since padding cannot move the elbows further away from a person's spine.


Too danged bad for Bob Heironimus....and his followers. I guarantee you that this fact WILL bite Heirony in his Heir-iny....one of these wonderful days.

 

[kitakaze]

Kit, I am impressed with your persistence and determination. You have proven yourself over and over to have the will, the drive, and the sufficient level of objectivity and critical thinking skills which will be needed in order to pull something like this off. In other words, we can all trust you to not get all Sweaty and screw things up.

That said, I'd also not like to see the same things hashed over for yet another time. The Bigfootery Cheering Section have already grown fat on those easy pickings. I would try to stay away from traveling any previous paths, I'd approach this in a somewhat unconventional manner, prying open cracks that may have so far been overlooked.

One of the most important pieces to this ongoing saga is the suit, that "Holy Grail" and gilded icon of the PGF debate. This is something which 'Footers have blown-up, shrunk, shape shifted, prayed to and woke up wet over on many a cold, lonely morning.

I would assign the finding of that suit a top priority and given just as much importance as any other goal I had set for this long-overdue fact-finding foray.

Thank you, Vol. I agree most with what I bolded in your quote. I have no intention of doing a rehash of what Greg Long did. There are many things that have not been done concerning Heironimus and those such as Gimlin and others connected to the film. Whoever is telling the truth and whoever is lying, these people are connected and have been since before the PGF was created. There in Yakima there is a reality that faithful Bigfoot enthusiasts and doubting skeptics have not yet seen. I think there is door into that reality that is shrinking every day. I intend to go through that door and find out everything I can from the men that were there before the chance is gone.

I will do everything I can to find what happened to the suit, but as The Shrike/Saskeptic said, I am pretty confident that Roger had the foresight to dispose of the evidence of his hoax long ago. There is always the chance he didn't. While Roger was undoubtedly clever and resourceful, he was stupid enough to do things like steal Morton Kunstler's art and slap his name on it in his book the year before the he filmed Patty. He was stupid enough to slap a wig on an actor and present the man as Gimlin. Holy crap, if Roger was alive now and had attempted these things, he would have been torn apart faster than you can say Georgia boys.

In the case of Heironimus, if Bob is telling the truth, Roger was stupid enough to screw over the man he put in the suit. We know Heironimus was there with Patterson and Gimlin running around on their Bigfoot adventures and we know Heironimus was talking about being in the suit as early as '68. One thing that Heironimus discussed with me on the phone is that if I did come down to Yakima, I would quickly learn that it was common knowledge that BH was the man in the suit.

Let's think about this for a second. I do not doubt that when I go to Yakima, that many people will confirm BH's claim. National Geographic said the very same thing when they went there. Of course an argument ad populum does not make it any more valid, but think about this - they don't live in Seattle or Portland or San Francisco. These men, Bob and Bob, live in a tiny town on the same street. They have since this thing started 42 years ago. Gimlin often comments about how he nearly lost his wife over the film. Imagine for 40 years you live in a small town and everybody thinks you're a sham because of the word of a good friend of yours. I do not doubt that Mrs. Gimlin long ago had more than enough of talk about Bigfoot.

The thing is that in a community like that, life has to go on and you can't get caught up in the drama of a tiny fringe of people around the world who believe in Bigfoot. That makes perfect sense when you consider what Heironimus said to me about seeing Gimlin two weeks ago at a horse show and not discussing Bigfoot. Why would they discuss Bigfoot? If Bob is telling the truth as the two polygraphs suggest he is, Roger screwed Gimlin's buddy out of $1000 over 40 years ago and then screwed Gimlin. The film became an icon for believers everywhere around the world and life in little Yakima moved on. Bob and Bob are still friends and aging men. When Bob H asked his friend down the street to come clean about the film, Bob G said it was too late to do that. Makes perfect sense to me.

I know from experience that things can be put away into attics and forgotten about for years. Last year, I bought a 200+ year-old cabin and the entire contents. You wouldn't believe what I found inside, and what was hidden away in the attic loft. No bubble-butted ape suits mind you, but one odd piece was a very old Native American hand-woven basket. I contacted an old friend in CA(Kathy Strain) who knew about these things and sent it to her as a gift, which in return she sent me a signed copy of her book(which is very interesting and an entirely different discussion altogether). Turns out the basket was actually a California basket, a long way from it's origins and not a local piece as I had initially thought. That basket had been forgotten about in that attic loft for probably well over 100 years.

I know Kathy, as well. Nice lady. If you haven't seen the thread here on Native American traditions and Bigfoot, you should check it out. I've done a lot of research many of Kathy's claims about natives.

 

[Óðinn]

Kudos Kit!!! This would be the most significant advancement with the PGF in a long time, and maybe just in time. I'll be PMing you some questions for Bob(s).

As the Devil's advocate...

What do you think of the fact that the only person who has ever claimed to be Patty was friends with Bob Gimlin at the time the PGF was made and appears at various points on Patterson's film?

Because Bob H was always jealous that he was close to the PGF, yet didn't get in on it.

What do you think about the fact that Bob Heironimus lives only nine doors from Bob Gimlin and has done so since the PGF was made?

No doubt they all knew each other well, which gave Bob H a sense of entitlement.

What do you think about the fact that Bob Gimlin has never taken any legal action against the man whose testimony threatens his credibility to people all over the world who see him as a hero and endangers his personal profit from the film?

On what charges and how could you prove your case?

What do you think about the fact that Bob Heironimus has passed two separate polygraphs concerning his involvement with the PGF?

Patterson passed one too.

What do you think of the fact that Heironimus confirms that he is still friends with his neighbour, Gimlin, and sees him on occasion in which there is no discussion about Bigfoot at all?

They likely can't avoid each other. They know where each other stands. Neither is likely to budge, so why discuss it?

Do you not find it troubling at all that the only person to ever claim to be Patty is that closely associated with Patterson and Gimlin?

He admitted it because it's Gimlin's word against his, and in his mind he should have been the guy in the suit anyways. But he may not even know who or what was actually in the suit.

So why do people make false confessions? Did Bob confess for bragging rights or was he still looking for his $1000?

ETA: I smell book deal here for Kit. Ghost writers need not apply.

 

[kitakaze]

Nice twist of the subject of my post, kitakaze....it's what you do best!

Patty's ELBOWS extend (significantly) further from her backbone than Bob's do from his backbone....with their arms at comparable angles.

I'm twisting nothing, Sweaty. You failed in your attempt to rule out Bob. You can try again and this time I would advise you remember that arms to not move confined to two-dimensional planes.

Now let's try something wild and new, Sweaty. Let's put aside elbows for a moment. There's something really interesting here and really important when discussing Bob Heironimus and the Patterson/Gimlin film. It's that great big fat connection he has to the film and the people involved. Let's be crazy. You can demonstrate some intellectual courage and address the following...

What do you think of the fact that the only person who has ever claimed to be Patty was friends with Bob Gimlin at the time the PGF was made and appears at various points on Patterson's film? What do you think about the fact that Bob Heironimus lives only nine doors from Bob Gimlin and has done so since the PGF was made? What do you think about the fact that Bob Gimlin has never taken any legal action against the man whose testimony threatens his credibility to people all over the world who see him as a hero and endangers his personal profit from the film? What do you think about the fact that Bob Heironimus has passed two separate polygraphs concerning his involvement with the PGF? What do you think of the fact that Heironimus confirms that he is still friends with his neighbour, Gimlin, and sees him on occasion in which there is no discussion about Bigfoot at all?

Do you not find it troubling at all that the only person to ever claim to be Patty is that closely associated with Patterson and Gimlin?

I promise you won't. You will go nowhere near any of that. fear is the mind killer.

If that is too corner-huddle inducing, maybe you can whip out your crayons and address the evidence that Patterson faked Patty's tracks.

 

[kitakaze]

See? I told you.

The Wrath of Sweaty Yeti!!!

Frightening!

Woooooo!

No, wait...

 

[JcR]

Very cool Kit. Buy him a new hat...